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Old 10/15/07, 3:27 PM   #151
Valerian
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Night Elf Druid
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by Sapp View Post
Ah; then avoidance doesn't matter at all, only stamina does.

I wonder if he can even crit? Then the tank requirement is even lower than kara, only execution and healers are tested.
This is a great fight for a druid to use his PvP gear on. Doesnt Resiliance reduce DoT damage now?

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Old 10/15/07, 3:49 PM   #152
Falk
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Warrior already gets 10% reduction on bleeds, so a druid stacking max resilience will 'only' match a warrior with normal tanking gear on in bleed mitigation. A warrior in PVP gear though...

(Assuming resilience actually does affect PVE dottage. I want to know too!)

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Old 10/15/07, 4:46 PM   #153
Davidson
Don Flamenco
 
Human Death Knight
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Valerian View Post
This is a great fight for a druid to use his PvP gear on. Doesnt Resiliance reduce DoT damage now?
Warrior in resilience gear may work better, -10% from stance and -x% from resil.

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Old 10/15/07, 4:49 PM   #154
Chewy
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Azuria View Post
I was just wondering if you anyone could tell me a good group makeup for Zul'Aman? I haven't run the instance yet, but my character copy went through yesterday and should be running it soon. I assume that the makeup should consists of 2 tanks, 5 dps, and 3 healers approximately, but I was wondering how much CC should we have? My guild is currently trying to form a group for ZA when it's released, and thus far we think that we will have a spriest (me), elemental shammie (raid leader), moonkin, and holy priest. Any suggestions to fill in the remaining dps slots?

Definitely a resto druid is very useful for the bear boss. Like was stated above, mage and warlock are a good idea (I would almost say mage required?)

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Old 10/15/07, 6:12 PM   #155
Dynasty
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Human Paladin
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
My favourite list for ZA at current is:

2 Tanks:

1 Prot Warrior
1 Feral Druid

3 Healers:

1 Holy Paladin
1 Holy Priest OR Resto Shaman
1 Resto Druid OR Resto Shaman

5 DPS:

1 Mage
1 Warlock
1 Rogue
1 Shadow Priest / Elemental Shaman / Boomkin
1 Hunter / Fury Warrior / / Enchance Shaman

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Old 10/15/07, 6:20 PM   #156
heel
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Mannoroth
Circle of Healing is very nice for the second-to-last guy.

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Old 10/15/07, 6:26 PM   #157
NanoHaxial
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Orc Death Knight
 
Mal'Ganis
I was just curious about a few things I've encountered in ZA so far and appreciate any answers.

First off, how exactly do you handle the trash clear to the Eagle boss? Our group tried to clear it a few times, but between the birds and the two trolls spawning behind us we got overwhelmed pretty quickly. I assume there's something we missed, as compared to all the other trash we encountered, this was far more difficult.

A second question I had is in relation to Lynx boss. Having never experienced it myself, how exactly does the "Saber Lash" type mechanic function? We only had the two tanks as our melee, and even with them standing directly on top of each other we'd get one of them randomly 1 shot as the other was untouched by the attack.

I was only in a PUG, and most of those were around the gear level you'd expect for someone coming out of Kara, but these encounters seemed a bit difficult for the group.

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Old 10/15/07, 6:34 PM   #158
Lavode
Bald Bull
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Bear boss:
quite simple really. Stack the tanks on top of each other, and stack the crap out of HP /group buffs (bloodpact, commanding kings, fort) on the bear phase tank - HP > all - the vast bulk of his damage in bearform is not mitigatable or avoidable (and he doesnt crush) so the key to this fight is simply to have enough hp that healers get time to heal you back up after silences. 20k hp made him straightforward, a warrior can presumeably get by with 18k due to defensive stance.
Concentration aura or the Bloodfurnace heroic neck on the healers is also highly helpful - the actually tricky bit is to clear to him fast enough that you can burn his hp poll down before the timer runs down. Trash dps matters!

Lynx boss: We kept loosing people to flameshock -> earthshock comboes. It occurs to me that we were likely being very silly. Its a shaman shock.. what is the usual range of shaman shocks? 20 yards or so?

Gaunlet to the eagle boss needs practice. will post when we have a good strategy for it of some kind.

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Old 10/15/07, 6:42 PM   #159
Dynasty
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
Originally Posted by NanoHaxial View Post
I was just curious about a few things I've encountered in ZA so far and appreciate any answers.

First off, how exactly do you handle the trash clear to the Eagle boss? Our group tried to clear it a few times, but between the birds and the two trolls spawning behind us we got overwhelmed pretty quickly. I assume there's something we missed, as compared to all the other trash we encountered, this was far more difficult.
Think of Shattered Halls corridor with the archers? Know that one? Similar mechanic used here. What happens is roughly 3 eagles come every Id say 15-20sec? You must make your way through the area killing off the elites while handling the eagles, once you kill the last elite on the stairs before the boss, the eagles stop spawning and you can take a breather. Keep pushing on. If someone dies, tell them run in and get back quickly, as you get closer to the stairs there is muh more going on and its very hard to find adequate time to res, so get some mana/hp back and prepare for more action.

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Old 10/15/07, 6:50 PM   #160
Bluerose
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Orc Shaman
 
Magtheridon (EU)
Originally Posted by Dynasty View Post
Think of Shattered Halls corridor with the archers? Know that one? Similar mechanic used here. What happens is roughly 3 eagles come every Id say 15-20sec? You must make your way through the area killing off the elites while handling the eagles, once you kill the last elite on the stairs before the boss, the eagles stop spawning and you can take a breather. Keep pushing on. If someone dies, tell them run in and get back quickly, as you get closer to the stairs there is muh more going on and its very hard to find adequate time to res, so get some mana/hp back and prepare for more action.
Humanoids spawning behind are a new addition today to the gauntlet.

Have your OT pick them up and drag to the group when you aoe the birds. Max focus on the set of two stationary humanoids first then proceed to aoe any birds and continue up the slope dragging with you the spawned trolls. By the time you reach the next set those trolls should be on low health due to dots/ AOE effects. Proceed to focus dps on the two new stationary humanoids and aoe the birds again. The troll's should now be dead from aoe/ dots leaving your OT free to pick up the new set which will be approaching from the back.

Rinse and repeat two more times.

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Old 10/15/07, 6:53 PM   #161
Dynasty
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Human Paladin
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
Wasnt on today. Maybe they are hot-fixing this stuff alot, not sure.

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Old 10/15/07, 7:38 PM   #162
Illundai
Bald Bull
 
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Worgen Death Knight
 
The Maelstrom (EU)
They really need to do something about the bosses despawning and taking forever to respawn. We waited for 10 minutes today...

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Old 10/16/07, 2:55 AM   #163
Falk
Soda Popinski
 
Falk
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Hmmm... every time I've gone through the Eagle boss trash, I noticed extra guards spawning at the back. but they'd bug out and not do anything. (targettable, but "Invalid target" for attacks) I assumed that when working properly they'd just hang around behind to prevent run-back zergs... if they continually spawn and attack from behind, that'd be pretty hectic.

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Old 10/16/07, 3:32 AM   #164
MarryCon
Banned
 
Orc Hunter
 
Taerar (EU)
Yesterday (15.10.07, EU PVP) we went to the eagle boss and it was pretty nasty ...

Birds comming from the front, and two guys with 28k HP each will spawn and add from the back ... over and over again.
We used a holy pala to "tank" the bird, then seed and aoed them ... if you once get to the stairs, with the boss, there's a mob with 150k HP .. once you attack, all respawn stop. Burn him down, and kill the boss (eagle) which is pretty easy.

But the way is more like a "bossfight" used twice BR (Feral&Resto) and one priest died and run back in ... We used almost all CD, Manapotions, HS etc.

We were all SSC/TK equip with 4x T5 and it was pretty hard ... so i expect them to patch it for a slower respawn or adds with less hp ... otherwise almost not possible for a "kara farm" guild.


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I don't know if it was mentioned earlier ... a bug or exploit ... Jan'alai, the boss with the eggs .. if you enter ZA and go over the small lake in the middle and turn right, there's are broken stairs with the boss on top. If you don't want to kill all the trash, just nuke him from the view of the broken stairs. He keeps evading, but the event starts ... so he teleports all persons in ZA to his area and do his "balls of fire" if you are good, you can go on otherwise just run down the stairs (on the otherside) put an SS(ankh, or Pala will do to) on a healer and don't come too close to the grp at the feet of the stairs. Use SS rezz all your party and you can kill the boss without one trashmob ...

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Old 10/16/07, 4:15 AM   #165
kaib
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Warlock
 
Dentarg (EU)
Originally Posted by falkon2 View Post
Hmmm... every time I've gone through the Eagle boss trash, I noticed extra guards spawning at the back. but they'd bug out and not do anything. (targettable, but "Invalid target" for attacks) I assumed that when working properly they'd just hang around behind to prevent run-back zergs... if they continually spawn and attack from behind, that'd be pretty hectic.
We did two raids yesterday, one before the 6pm reset and one after. In the first, we had exactly that. Lots of mobs piled up at the bottom of the hill and then despawned when we killed the boss. In the second raid the mobs correctly ran behind us. It's a pretty rough dps check, we got through it without too much trouble but then we outgear that instance by a mile. I am pretty sure this is gonna be a problem for karaz/ssc geared guilds.

For setup reasons especially for that trash a prot paladin would have been very, very good. Also helps at lynx due to a ranged pull. We wiped there due to the lynx raping a healer on each spawn. After that wipe we just told the OT to run towards our lifebloom druid shortly before phase switch cause that's where the lynx ran, guaranteed. But a prot pala would have solved that with a ranged pull as well.
But wth is up with the timed run here? After you kill the boss a little gnome spawns that runs through the place and fireballs urns. It took well over a minute until she nuked the one where the epic was in. Losing a minute waiting for loot while being on a timer is brilliant design.

For the hex guy I really do not think you need SR. We wiped once cause we did not know how his aoe works, tried to keep three mobs CCed and when the aoe came, CC broke and casts were pushed back so some not controlled mobs raped our healers. Went easily down after that when we killed the BE lady and that thaddius-wannabe undead mob and slept/banished two others. It seemed like it's possible to kill all four if you want to as well and have appropiate dps for the boss.

Overall it seems to me the trash is more annoying then some of the bosses, those scouts have a really fast respawn, which can easily wreck you if you do not have high dps. The pulls with two flamecasters are also kinda annoying, dunno if they are sheepable as we did not have a mage, but with the fast cast buff they give themself their fire aoe is hardly interruptable, even with CoT on, and deals a shitload of damage.

Other then the bear (which is the most boring boss ever, stand still dps him, have two tanks, one taunts at each phase switch. And it took us 7-8 minutes to kill it, yawn.) the encounters are kinda funny, some are obviously copies/near copies from previous bosses but there's lots of stuff going on, I found it rather enjoyable.
Phase 3 of the last boss is the only thing that seemed that it can wipe you if you know what's going on, sometimes those hurricanes can push people into a corner and then just kill them there. Also if you do not have at least one healer with hots, that fight is going to suck big times. Getting of cast time spells is hard already. Getting them off right there when you need to save someone can be impossible. We had a holy priest and a resto druid and still lost too many people in that phase three times so that P5 wiped us then.

On another note, did anyone complete a full timed run yet? We tried to keep up on our 2nd raid, the first three bosses were no big deal but then the timer went down to 12 minutes and we took a bad path, so we had to run 2-3 minutes to the other side of the instance and then there was no way we could do both trash and boss on time.

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