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10/18/07, 12:22 PM
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Don Flamenco
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We've had 3 kills and they are mostly hectic at the end. One-shotted him last night but the offtanks on doomguards started dying at sub-20%. Our strat is melee/Thrall's group on doomguards and casters/taurens on Azgalor. Once all the taurens are dead, we call the melee to switch to Azgalor. I don't think we use FR at all, though we do have everybody grab a fire pot for emergencies.
We have our casters spaced out in a circle around Azgalor. Healers wear the SR neck/cloak. I think most caster dps wear those two pieces as well. I switched to arcane from fire and did get a ton more RoF than the remaining fire mage. Not sure if that's just luck or he's out of range. The warlocks are positioned between Azgalor and the doomguard tank spot so they can soulstone people while they are running from Azgalor to the doomguard tank spot.
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10/18/07, 12:45 PM
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Glass Joe
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We tank him up near the tauren warriors. The people with the doom run over to thrall where we have two off tanks and thrall to keep the doomguards attention. All of the dps is on Azgalor at all times. We normally have him below 75% easily before the first doomgaurd. We usually go with 5 meele (1 shaman, 1 warrior, 3 rogues) with no fr gear. There is normally more rof near the meele at the start untill the tauren warriors are killed off. Our meele simply runs out to the same spot when there is rof on them and we have a resto shaman heal them up.
You will also want to set up a soul stone rotation on people who get the doomgaurds.
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10/18/07, 12:57 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by D4vE
Basically we use the melee on doomguard tactic, but we call them in at 35% to burn the boss down, while doomguards are only offtanked. With CloS, healthstone, fire res pot most of us usually last long enough to kill him before doomguards overwhelm us =)
In the beginning, when we had little to no shadowres, we had all warriors in tank gear intervening the MT on silences.
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We do this as well. One healer on doomguard tank and melee. Four healers on MT (I wear medallion and SR cape for about ~160 sr with little loss of stats), and then two/three healers on raid.
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10/18/07, 2:18 PM
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#29
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Glass Joe
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I like this fight in that there are many different ways to approach it.
What works for us:
MT at Thrall, OT for Doomguards at Taurens.
1 Healer for the OT, 3 for the raid (shaman, 2 of which on melee), 4 for the MT. All healers wear their SR Cloak, the BT neck, and get priest SR buff.
A little dps for the Doomguards, usually 1 hunter (emergency MD's),1 SP (for mana), and 1 rotating warlock(more on this in a sec). This, along with the taurens, is usually enough to kill the Doomguards in time.
Everyone else is on Az, the melee run out(or to the other side) if they are getting RoF'd on. No one really wears any FR to speak of.
Now, about those rotating Warlocks, we have our warlocks soulstone people as they get doomed and are running off towards the OT. That, combined with a few battle rezes, re-incarnates, etc, means we usually end the fight with only 1-2 people dead at most.
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10/18/07, 2:26 PM
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#30
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Citrinite
We tank him up near the tauren warriors. The people with the doom run over to thrall where we have two off tanks and thrall to keep the doomguards attention. All of the dps is on Azgalor at all times. We normally have him below 75% easily before the first doomgaurd. We usually go with 5 meele (1 shaman, 1 warrior, 3 rogues) with no fr gear. There is normally more rof near the meele at the start untill the tauren warriors are killed off. Our meele simply runs out to the same spot when there is rof on them and we have a resto shaman heal them up.
You will also want to set up a soul stone rotation on people who get the doomgaurds.
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This is exactly how we do it and it makes the most sense to me (at least for our usual group makeup). Tank him near the tauren, all dps on the boss, people who get doom go to Thrall where we have 2 tanks set up. Thrall and the guards kill the doomguards when they spawn while the off tanks tank them at the ramp.
This way you get all the tauren plus your dps on the boss while thrall and his grunts take care of all the doomguards.
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10/18/07, 2:31 PM
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#31
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Glass Joe
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Our guild really has this guy down to a science now after a few things we fixed.
You only really need 2 tanks 1 for Azgalor we usually use a Bear, and one for the doomguards.
We have the bear tank Azgalor right in front of Thrall, and the doomguards are tanked by the Cows (Tauren Warriors). Their really shoudn't be any dps Spared on the Doomguards.
We have the melee in normal dps gear and they bunch up and Run out together towards the post in the Middle By the crossroads when they get RoF. This really helps a ton because A: We dont have ppl standing their so no RoF. We usally use a Shaman to Chain heal the Melee grp, and the Ranged DPS spread out around him Accordingly.
All of are casters dps use the Neckpiece from BT for shadow resistance, And our healers also use the Shadow resistance cloak (Name? Something End?).
Make sure also if your Healers are getting dooms to Put a SS on them or brez accordingly. Have Healers ready to switch over to a doomguard tank or to heal the melee RoF people. My 2 cents. GL
Edit: Usally the Taurens Stun the doomguards enough where u can kill them all at the end, and have the ppl who are getting dooms come over and help DPS the doomguards before they die.
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10/18/07, 3:47 PM
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#32
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Piston Honda
Draenei Shaman
Cenarion Circle
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Thanks for all the different replies guys. More specifics about MT healing. I notice that many people mention that they only use SR cape/neck on the healers and not a full SR set. Is silence and MT death an issue from this? How many healers do people generally have on the MT and which classes? We currently have 4 MT healers (2 resto druids, 2 paladins) and things can get very hairy as far as tank health on a silence where 3/4 get silenced.
Also I noticed someone mention a bear tank. This reminded me of a different post somewhere where people mentioned that Azgalor like archimonde is not able to land crushing blows? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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10/18/07, 4:48 PM
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#33
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Raiste
Also I noticed someone mention a bear tank. This reminded me of a different post somewhere where people mentioned that Azgalor like archimonde is not able to land crushing blows? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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We have used a bear tank on all our kills so far, as he does not land crushing blows. It made MT healing significantly easier. For MT healing I think we go with 4 healers with little SR (2 paladins, 1 druid, and 1 priest).
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10/18/07, 5:03 PM
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#34
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Where the F are my hard boiled eggs?
Dwarf Priest
Bleeding Hollow
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I'm fairly sure that the rain of fire is cast on a player or NPC. We've been killing him with this assumption, and if this is the case, your melee are much more likely to get fired if the NPC's in melee range are still alive.
We put our melee on the doomguards at the Tauren Warrior area, with a pally and warrior tank holding them. When only Thrall is left alive of the NPCs, call the melee over - usually around 50%.
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10/18/07, 6:23 PM
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Don Flamenco
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I forgot to mention that we usually have a feral/prot paladin and our second prot warrior as the doomguard offtanks. Our healer for the doomguard usually runs out of mana near the end so we have the feral/prot paladin healing our doomguard offtank to start the fight. When the feral/prot paladin starts needing to offtank something, the offtank healer is at full mana or close to it.
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10/23/07, 4:39 AM
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#36
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King Hippo
Tauren Druid
Outland (EU)
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Azgalor
Ok, seeing as there is no dedicated thread to Azgalor and he is one of the more challenging bosses in Mount Hyjal, I wanted to try and get people to discuss this fight in a bit more detail instead of trawling through the Kaz'rogal thread.
Our tactic is to use 1 tank on the boss with a second warrior to intercept during silences, our best rogue is also on the boss full time with the rest of the melee DPSing down doomguards. We use 2 doomguard tanks, one prot pally and a feral.
The boss is tanked at Thrall's spot, so Thrall joins in, and the Doomguards are tanked by the Warrior camp, so they help kill the doomguards.
The problems we are having is that as the fight progresses, we just end up losing due to attrition from the Dooms. One time we had too few healers, a shadow priest got RoF, and the tank ended up dying to the next silence. Another time all our DPs was doomed, and despite 8 healers left alive, there was no way to beat the enrage timer. Also, we are using soulstones as well as battle rezzes to get the doomed players back up.
We did beat him once, last week. Then we had 2 days on Archimonde and got Archimonde to 13% on our best attempt. The problem is Azgalor causes a lot of wipes, and with the 30minute trash clear between each attempt it can be very frustrating to wipe to him. So anyone who can comment on this fight would be great.
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There is light at the end of the tunnel.
The only problem is, it's often an incoming train.
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10/23/07, 4:47 AM
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#37
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Glass Joe
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One important aspect of this fight in my opinion is the pull and positioning of Azgalor. We like to tank him by the Tauren Camp so that all of the melee tauren attack from his back (they do quite a bit of damage). Otherwise your strategy seems good. Make sure your warlocks have coordinated Soulstone rotation for the Doomed targets. Don't bathe in fire AMIRITE?
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10/23/07, 4:57 AM
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of the HMS Failboat
Tauren Druid
Al'Akir (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kink
Ok, seeing as there is no dedicated thread to Azgalor
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Azgalor and Rain of Fire
Page 2 of the public discussion forum.
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10/23/07, 5:04 AM
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#39
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King Hippo
Tauren Druid
Outland (EU)
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Originally Posted by dukes
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Hmm, why did a search of "azgalor" for me not show this thread =/. Well, this can be happily deleted then, sorry.
ps, thanks for the merge.
Last edited by Kink : 10/24/07 at 7:24 AM.
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There is light at the end of the tunnel.
The only problem is, it's often an incoming train.
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10/23/07, 5:40 PM
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Mage
Tichondrius (EU)
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We tank azgalor with one tank directly in front of thralls hall. I dont really need to mention that he needs to be topped nearly all the time to avoid him dying during the silence. The doomguards are tanked with one feral and an of/def tank directly in the tauren warriors camp.
all melees are advised to put on as much fire resistance as they can bring and dps the boss. if they dont have FR, they help out at the doomguard camp.
this works out pretty good for us, despite this strategy being a little inconvenient
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10/23/07, 5:59 PM
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Piston Honda
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We use a bear tank on Azgalor standing at the tauren camp. Our usual main tank handles the doomguards over at Thrall and his crew. We do not use shadow resist except for shadow protection and the Black Temple necklace. All DPS is on the boss at all times.
Wow Web Stats and Wow Web Stats if you're interested.
We used to use our standard warrior main tank but found healing the druid was much easier.
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10/23/07, 7:12 PM
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Tree Hugger
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Our guild had an issue with silences initially. We have since crafted the cloak (shadow resist enchanted) and everyone has the medallion. Silences were much much easier to deal with. I was using the belt as well and had at least a 50% resist rate last time. (Resists are still semi-random, but it was a marked increase in resists from the medallion alone.)
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10/23/07, 7:21 PM
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#43
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Hunter
Tichondrius
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Warrior tanks can intervene the Azgalor MT during a silence to soak up a hit and cut down on the probability the MT will die due to all healers being silenced.
Does anyone know if standing inside the hut next to the tauren warriors prevent you from getting hit by rain of fire?
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10/24/07, 12:08 AM
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Bald Bull
Tauren Warrior
Kil'Jaeden
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We don't have to have everything in one monstrous and usually outdated thread. Think patchwerk people - 20 threads per boss! Or perhaps something in between. (Although to be fair that azgalor thread is still on page 1, and only a couple pages long).
Use soulstones and battle rezzes - figure them out ahead of time. We've killed azgalor and Teron a few times with no one dead due to this.
I don't recommend wasting a tank spot just to intercept during silences - have your healers wear a bit more SR, and your tank a bit more avoidance gear (neglecting shield block rating as he doesn't crush, and hits too hard to really factor in your block value as well - and aggro is free here).
Use an offtank to bring doomed mobs to the doom mob tank if they become a problem.
Last edited by Quigon : 10/24/07 at 12:16 AM.
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10/24/07, 1:01 AM
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Don Flamenco
Blood Elf Paladin
Black Dragonflight
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We typically have a druid or paladin healing the two OT's who tank the doomguards over by Tuaren, no other DPS on them. Tank Azgalor near Thrall (Thrall does a -ton- of damage to him and since the changes is in no real threat of dying.).
Our rogues wear about 200 fr, casters just enough to not get gibbed as they run out of fires, one healer for melee, one healer for casters. Everybody else on MT. With 3 paladins in full SR gear and our DPS + thrall going full bore on Azgalor he dies long before we run oom.
Getting your healers full SR should pretty much be your #1 priority honestly. Once they are, fights like Kaz/Azgalor/etc...become a joke.
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10/24/07, 7:17 AM
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Soda Popinski
Dwarf Priest
The Venture Co (EU)
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We killed him yesterday with no SR. As we were fairly healing tight, and we couldn't really spare melee healing, we used 5 healers on the MT, 1 healer on the doomguard OT, one healer on shadowpriests/rogues who only dps'd when CloS was up.
Long fight, but with a bear tank it went pretty smoothly, a tree druid makes this fight much much easier.
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10/24/07, 10:26 AM
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Von Kaiser
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We had a problem of the MT being in RoF too mcuh when the melee is on Azgalor. Is RoF something that the MT can just be healed through, or should he be taken out of it ASAP?
Is that why a lot of people in this thread have the meele on doomguards?
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10/24/07, 10:39 AM
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of the HMS Failboat
Tauren Druid
Al'Akir (EU)
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RoF does damage/sec and then leaves a DoT on (somewhat similar to Doomfire, but much more direct damage). The damage from standing in RoF instead of getting out is quite substatial, and you should be able to avoid your MT getting it if all your melee are behind Azgalor at maximum range.
The main reason for having melee on Doomguards is that you can avoid anyone getting RoF by keeping everyone out of range (he doesn't cast it on the MT afaik).
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10/24/07, 11:54 AM
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Von Kaiser
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The strategy that works best for us on Azgalor is to misdirect him to the MT standing just shy of the warriors (we had an issue with the NPC's taunting him and getting gibbed) and then pull him up to get the taurens involved. Doomguards are tanked at Thrall. We have melee in and casters in range of RoF to move it around (fire cauldron helps ease RoF hits).
Anyone who uses Thrall on Azgalor and warriors on doomguards got any numbers for how much damage he does? Our last WWS shows the warriors doing about 190K damage to Azgalor (one before that was 270K so one may have died early), just curious how much Thrall does to him.
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10/24/07, 12:55 PM
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#50
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Soda Popinski
Dwarf Priest
The Venture Co (EU)
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Thrall - WWS
Tauren Warrior - WWS
Warriors and Thrall, Thrall is quite a wuss, and warriors were only on him for a short portion of the fight.
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