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Old 10/20/07, 7:26 AM   #51
PsiVen
Don Flamenco
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Acustar View Post
I guess so, I liked the glowy-uniqueness of the S2 gavel.
Meh, I've had this damn thing for so long it's nice to see my upgrade will be a black Karabor. Looks pretty spiffy and like it might actually get to show the enchant!

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Old 10/20/07, 7:27 AM   #52
Inudemon
Von Kaiser
 
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Brakar View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the pictures show there's still a deadzone? It's much smaller than on live, but it's still there. On the PTR, the deadzone is 4-6 yards, instead of the 4-8 on live?
There is still a ~1 yard deadzone on the PTR. It's so small though that it will be near impossible to consistently exploit.

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Old 10/20/07, 7:37 AM   #53
Keline
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Mazrigos (EU)
Originally Posted by Brissa View Post
But why change it a year after it has played out its significance?
Other than to possibly prepare for naxx as a starting raid in WotLK
It's amusing that you receive a straight buff and ask "Why?"
Are there no maxhp-1 damage abilities in BC? I thought L5 Charge was one.

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Old 10/20/07, 7:43 AM   #54
Pyria
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Draenei Hunter
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
L5 Charge does 100% of your health, hence having to avoid death with PW:S.

The Aggression change is nice since it lets me dump some of my stupid PvP filler talents for actual DPS, but I still wish they'd do something more about Opportunity, dammit.

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Old 10/20/07, 7:43 AM   #55
Brissa
Not enough rage
 
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Gnome Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Keline View Post
It's amusing that you receive a straight buff and ask "Why?"
Are there no maxhp-1 damage abilities in BC? I thought L5 Charge was one.
Im more concerned with it being a bug than a feature.
If it is indeed intended then it is great and while not increasing fury dps it makes it less of a liability on certain fights with very heavy splash which would be a great thing.

Havent gotten to Mother yet so I wasnt aware of that particular ability but I agree that makes sense.

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Old 10/20/07, 8:17 AM   #56
songster
Chief Passenger
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by Keline View Post
It's amusing that you receive a straight buff and ask "Why?"
Are there no maxhp-1 damage abilities in BC? I thought L5 Charge was one.
Prince's Enfeeble.

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Old 10/20/07, 8:28 AM   #57
Malazaar
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Druid
 
Gul'dan (EU)
I don't think it has anything at all to do with maxhp-1 abilities. If they wanted them to work for all classes equally they could just change them to set the hitpoints to 1 instead of doing actual damage.

It would also prevent certain other classes from circumventing the mechanics (druid barkskin for example).

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Old 10/20/07, 8:40 AM   #58
Fungal
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Shattered Halls (EU)
Im not sure how long this was on test, but when I flew to my favourite grind spot, I found that the warlocks used a much more pleasent to the eye green beam to channel into the spires.

Live:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2...ckdraineu6.jpg

Test:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7...ckdrainwf2.jpg

Great change!

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Old 10/20/07, 8:51 AM   #59
Keline
King Hippo
 
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Mazrigos (EU)
Originally Posted by songster View Post
Prince's Enfeeble.
Is something completly different, it sets hitpoints to 1. I'm talking about AE effects that put you to 1 hp via damage, however they will kill warriors due to +10% damage in berserker stance.

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Old 10/20/07, 8:56 AM   #60
Zaphid
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Drak'thul (EU)
Prince's Enfeeble reduces your hp to 1 instead of doing damage, as far as i know, because it is a lot more elegant solution than making that ability the exception due to many talents/abilities that reduce damage.

Time for a few screenshots:
Guild bank in Area 52- ImageShack - Hosting :: wowscrnshot102007134418fh0.jpg
Winter clothes on female BEs look good ^^
ImageShack - Hosting :: wowscrnshot102007134726kz7.jpg

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Old 10/20/07, 9:14 AM   #61
Sethik
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Drak'thul
Originally Posted by Xeno View Post
I'll see your screenshots and raise you four. Melee is unchanged.
You're right. I just made a level 1 female Blood Elf rogue on PTR/Live with identical camera settings, etc.

There's some whining on the PTR forum (yeah, I know) about the melee range being decreased and so on, usually while chasing after a target.





Same thing with my Hunter:





If melee range is 5 yards and has remain unchanged, and you can shoot at 4... why is melee "too far away" at the beginning of ranged attack range? Maybe I'm just too tired. =/

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Old 10/20/07, 9:17 AM   #62
Franklin
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Khaz'goroth
Originally Posted by Merrack View Post
Just noticed that all the keys for heroics only require Honored with the appropriate reputation. No idea if that's intentional or PTR randomness, though.
Curious to know more about this. With the quality of the badge loot this is a pretty huge change as it effectively removes rep. It will be nice for main swaps/alts as the rep requirments could be a hassle to grind out but it does devalue things a little more.

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Old 10/20/07, 9:34 AM   #63
songster
Chief Passenger
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
Curious to know more about this. With the quality of the badge loot this is a pretty huge change as it effectively removes rep. It will be nice for main swaps/alts as the rep requirments could be a hassle to grind out but it does devalue things a little more.
*shrug* What more is there to know? On the PTR all the keys only require Honored. We don't yet know whether that's intended to go live, or whether it's just to help people on the PTR run Heroics and test the new gear. Wait and see.

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Old 10/20/07, 9:36 AM   #64
Harmonics
Bartlett Pears. Sliced. In Heavy Syrup.
 
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Night Elf Druid
 
Terenas
Originally Posted by Brissa View Post
Other than to possibly prepare for naxx as a starting raid in WotLK
That might be kinda neat. Nerf the shit out of naxx, but raise the levels on everything and adjust the loot. Tada! attunment to whatever the first raid instance is. Behold blizzard: Cheap content for casuals!

Back on topic: 36 damage to hemo every attack? Or onto the debuff itself

You can't call a planet Bob!
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You were missing the () at the end of Feral Charge (Bear), this is necessary otherwise WoW thinks you're trying to cast Feral Charge Rank Bear.

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Old 10/20/07, 10:47 AM   #65
Kulaar
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mannoroth (EU)
Originally Posted by Harmonics View Post
That might be kinda neat. Nerf the shit out of naxx, but raise the levels on everything and adjust the loot. Tada! attunment to whatever the first raid instance is. Behold blizzard: Cheap content for casuals!

Back on topic: 36 damage to hemo every attack? Or onto the debuff itself
the debuff now increases the melee damage by 36 but only hast 10 charges.

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Old 10/20/07, 10:53 AM   #66
Franklin
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Khaz'goroth
Originally Posted by songster View Post
*shrug* What more is there to know? On the PTR all the keys only require Honored. We don't yet know whether that's intended to go live, or whether it's just to help people on the PTR run Heroics and test the new gear. Wait and see.
Apologies - I was mainly talking about if the changes will make live. It seems an odd change to make without a comment on the PTR boards saying they have lowered the requirements for testing or a permanent change being covered off in the patch notes.

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Old 10/20/07, 10:58 AM   #67
Axanor
Don Flamenco
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Area 52
I wouldn't mind it being changed to honored, as Blizzard's poor quest design/layout has made getting Hellfire/Lower City keys quite the annoyance unless you power-run your rep to honored before questing. It shouldn't take 5 runs of a dungeon to unlock heroic mode, especially when there's only one available to run.

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Old 10/20/07, 11:02 AM   #68
Dynasty
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
The Guild Banks appear to be bugged or I dont know. I try giving access to different people to withdraw money and pay repairs but does not seem to be working, could have it done wrong though (doubt that). Anyone else having similar problems?

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Old 10/20/07, 11:18 AM   #69
Cathela
Still Bald Bull
 
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Human Paladin
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by Roywyn View Post
Devastate seems to cost the normal rage now, not twice the value it states (previous bug).
On a blue/green geared level 64 warrior, "charge/deva spam" is pretty fast killing now while DW'ing damage gear.
Same on my level 70 warrior with crappy blue/greens against the 70-71 ogres in barrier hills above Shatt.

9-rage devastates, built-in sunder, and DW whirlwind are going to have a huge effect on prot warrior soloing.

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

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Old 10/20/07, 11:54 AM   #70
Prinsesa
Bald Bull
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Echo Isles
I wouldn't mind it being changed to honored, as Blizzard's poor quest design/layout has made getting Hellfire/Lower City keys quite the annoyance unless you power-run your rep to honored before questing. It shouldn't take 5 runs of a dungeon to unlock heroic mode, especially when there's only one available to run.
That's why normal Sethekk Halls is being changed to let you gain rep all through Exalted.

Of course, that still leaves Hellfire as a pain in the behind rep with SH as the remaining only path to Revered*, so I'm curious how they plan to relieve this.

Not that I'm against a rep level adjustment though. Getting more people able to do heroics is always a good thing and would definitely encourage more people to roll more alts (currently my last big pet peeve after the 20-60 leveling changes).

*Yes, CE also only has SV, but then the plant quests and buyable Armaments alleviate that somewhat.

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Old 10/20/07, 11:59 AM   #71
Keline
King Hippo
 
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Mazrigos (EU)
CE also doesn't stop giving you quests at level 62. CE is probably the faction with most people revered.

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Old 10/20/07, 12:13 PM   #72
Xanrag
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Dwarf Priest
 
Outland (EU)
Not sure if it has already been reported, but Desperate Prayer doesn't seem to trigger the global cooldown any more. My Ooops-macro uses prayer and then healthstone if prayer is on cooldown and both were used in the same action with one keypress on the PTR today. Guess I have to make a new macro with castsequence or something.

Edit: I was mistaken, it was healthstones and the /stopcasting-change.

Last edited by Xanrag : 10/20/07 at 7:30 PM.

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Old 10/20/07, 12:14 PM   #73
Axanor
Don Flamenco
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Area 52
Originally Posted by Keline View Post
CE also doesn't stop giving you quests at level 62. CE is probably the faction with most people revered.
It's also super-easy to buy up plant parts and grind to honored before stepping foot in Zangarmarsh.

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Old 10/20/07, 12:20 PM   #74
heel
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Xanrag View Post
Not sure if it has already been reported, but Desperate Prayer doesn't seem to trigger the global cooldown any more. My Ooops-macro uses prayer and then healthstone if prayer is on cooldown and both were used in the same action with one keypress on the PTR today. Guess I have to make a new macro with castsequence or something.
DP definitely still triggers the GCD for me if I just cast it. Could you paste your macro?

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Old 10/20/07, 12:23 PM   #75
Nezralix
Bald Bull
 
Orc Warrior
 
Burning Blade
Geez, with this many issues on the PTR it seems like it'll be at least a month before it gets rolled out.

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