I'm expecting Primal Nethers to similarly rise, especially after the s4 announcement when people will start stockpiling Armor Kits/Spellthread. They've already climbed from upper 20s to upper 30s on Mal"Ganis Horde.
Nethers are only 20-30g on Mal'ganis? On Blackhand alliance side its hard to find a nether for less than 100g and making them into nethercleft kits nets nearly 200-300g on them. I dont know if people are just lazy or what, but I can easily sell a nethercleft kit for 450g when mats cost, at most 200g and usually more like 120ish (8 earth at 4g, 16 thick leather at 4.5g and 4 heavy knothide at 4g each). It was like this right after the badge vendor opened but has stayed like this steadily until now and really doesnt seem like its going to change anytime soon.
My server has one guild that's killed Muru, one that's working on Twins, and my guild is about to start Brutallus (and that's just hordeside!) The prices of leather and herbs has skyrocketed, especially Terocone, which is selling for roughly 50g a stack. Leather prices are up across the boards since so many people are rerolling leatherworking.
I'm making solid money from herbing, but I wish I had an alt skinner right about now.
Yeah, I guess we must have had a lot more people with large amounts of Nethers banked. As that supply dries up, however, the price is going to move towards the badge/gold ratio that Vortexes and gems are currently commanding.
Ironshield Pots. I've felt the pinch of that recently, as we've started in on SW. You can solo farm Slave Pens on any 70 to get 4-5 of them. Could prolly go through 5 resets in a 1/2 hour or so.
Are you suggesting 4-5 pieces of lichen? (And yes, I'm asking seriously). If so, that's 25 pieces in your 30 mins. So if it's 80g per stack, it's a 100g 1/2 hour. That's hardly exceptional from a farming standpoint, but certainly not terrible if one actually is consuming the lichen. This, of course, assumes everything goes well and ignores the travel time to the instance, and the usual caveats.
Anyway, might be worth it for the rogue/druid herbalist. I should note that I don't believe lichen is anywhere near that pricey on our server, so check one's own server before spending too much time on this.
Are you suggesting 4-5 pieces of lichen? (And yes, I'm asking seriously). If so, that's 25 pieces in your 30 mins. So if it's 80g per stack, it's a 100g 1/2 hour. That's hardly exceptional from a farming standpoint, but certainly not terrible if one actually is consuming the lichen. This, of course, assumes everything goes well and ignores the travel time to the instance, and the usual caveats.
Anyway, might be worth it for the rogue/druid herbalist. I should note that I don't believe lichen is anywhere near that pricey on our server, so check one's own server before spending too much time on this.
It's not exceptional, no. And I'd buy the lichen if I could, but I've only seen one stack of more than 3 for sale once in the past week and a half. Also, 100g for a half hour of work, involving no consumables and no killing (great for prot specs), isn't terrible farming. I would say this is more of a tip to save gold than to make gold though. But, like they say, a copper saved is a copper earned.*
Nethers are only 20-30g on Mal'ganis? On Blackhand alliance side its hard to find a nether for less than 100g and making them into nethercleft kits nets nearly 200-300g on them. I dont know if people are just lazy or what, but I can easily sell a nethercleft kit for 450g when mats cost, at most 200g and usually more like 120ish (8 earth at 4g, 16 thick leather at 4.5g and 4 heavy knothide at 4g each). It was like this right after the badge vendor opened but has stayed like this steadily until now and really doesnt seem like its going to change anytime soon.
If nethers are this cheap you should be buying literally as many as you can afford to bank. With your consumption alone (and the fact that you can markup spellthreads and other items 70-150g on the nether cost alone) you should see prices rise to an 'acceptable' level where you can dump nether-crafted items onto the market for an absolute killing. Nethers at 20-30g apiece is like seeing real-life gold at $200 an ounce: Fucking buy it before someone else does.
Though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable; I simply am not there.
Anyway, might be worth it for the rogue/druid herbalist.
You don't need stealth to farm regular Slave Pens, at 70 you can literally walk up to a significant number of the spawn points and just pick the herb without the mobs noticing - just FYI.
You don't need stealth to farm regular Slave Pens, at 70 you can literally walk up to a significant number of the spawn points and just pick the herb without the mobs noticing - just FYI.
You can get unlucky and only have 1-2 accessible spawns, which significantly decreases your rate of acquisition. If you have access to a rogue, you can get every single spawn (sap is necessary).
These 2 in particular are only pickable by rogues, and the second one is past the 2 sets of stealth-detecting mobs, which I have to use sprint + vanish to get by, so I'm not sure if a druid could do it.
I have been reading the last several pages just to check and make sure; however I believe I have run into an irregularity on the Boulderfist server.
I am able to regularly buy Void Crystals at 25-30 gold each, shatter them and sell the Large Prismatic Shards for 22-25 gold each.
I have hesitated to report this seeing how Void Shatter's cool down has just been removed. I am reporting it now because I have been able to buy over 20 Void Crystals a day for the last 4 days and do this. Has anyone else encountered Void Shatter being this remarkably profitable?
This seems to contradict what Bismar has posted in post #2846 and what some others have reported.
I am just wondering if this is a true anomaly, or if it seems more like a temporary market fluctuation.
I have obviously been doing as I mentioned earlier in reference to the cheap crystals. In addition to my earlier question, I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how I might wring some more profit out of this?
I apologize if this seems simplistic to any of you, however I have just begun to play the auction house game.
Sounds like an anomaly. On my server and seemingly most servers, voids are twice the price of large prismatics. Now, the price of voids on my server are nowhere near stable at twice the price of LPS though, voids going anywhere from 44-60g, LPS are stable around 24-27g.
I figured that Void Crystals are likely to go up after 2.4.2 and bought quite a lot of them in the weeks prior to the patch, but in fact prices went down (dropped from 30 G to 26 G, Large Prismatic are now down to 15-20 G from 25-30 G). Maybe the supply is still greater than the demand? I think I am just waiting for Arena Season 4 to get rid of my stupidly large amount of Void Crystals (I figured that it would take like 3 hours to break them all down...) and hope that prices will eventually go up.
The market for crafted belts seems to have gone down, perviously I was able to easily buy the mats for Red Belt of Battle/Belt of Blasting and sell them for 1800g easily, and now I can barely sell them at 1300g.
I think it's worth to start stockpiling primal nethers for the leg enchants again, when S4 comes out soon.
I was wondering in order to maximize our profits if anyone could make an excell spreadsheets for various stuff like arconoweave bracers, netherweave belt , leg armor enchants etc where you could put the equivalent mat prices to make x and see the final making price to check the profit margins.
A spreadsheet like that would be very very easy to make. I have one for personal use, it's just messy as hell and in Danish :P. Make one yourself though, it is extremely simple.
I've also seen the rise and fall of the Belt market. I was buying mats for Belt of Blasting for ~900g and selling them for upwards of 2k pre-2.4.2, now I'm lucky if I can find the mats for under 1200g, and the belts rarely sell for over 1300g.
I've gone back to farming Skettis trees in the early morning for outlandish profits.
The market for crafted belts seems to have gone down, perviously I was able to easily buy the mats for Red Belt of Battle/Belt of Blasting and sell them for 1800g easily, and now I can barely sell them at 1300g.
I think it's worth to start stockpiling primal nethers for the leg enchants again, when S4 comes out soon.
I've noticed the market going down on Belt of the Guardian also, but they have sold every time I've listed them below 1350-1400...but never anything over that in the last few weeks. I have just gotten into the habit of buying the mats required in bulk or at well below the listed/regular price and making maybe a belt or two a week. It really depends if you have other people competing with you on the server or not. On Detheroc, not many people have the pattern or at least aren't making any of them to sell on the AH. As long as your making over a ~100g profit they are still worth making.
I've stopped making belts completely, there have been a lot of people impeding my progress lately. That coupled with the fact that Primal Fires have over doubled in price over the last month has made it very difficult to turn a good profit.
I myself made around 3000-4000g selling epic belts, but likewise the market has recently died on my server.
This was something I actually foresaw starting the business, as there is a limited number of costumers for such a narrow market. However I would wait a month or two and see the market climb again when people ding more 70s or gather more cash.
You can get unlucky and only have 1-2 accessible spawns, which significantly decreases your rate of acquisition. If you have access to a rogue, you can get every single spawn (sap is necessary).
These 2 in particular are only pickable by rogues, and the second one is past the 2 sets of stealth-detecting mobs, which I have to use sprint + vanish to get by, so I'm not sure if a druid could do it.
I have had success on my rogue alt distracting the first set of stealth detecting mobs in reg SP, then sprinting while stealthed straight at the back of one spamming sap as I approach. On my screen the sap tends to go up just as I have passed through the mob, but I gather server side it happens soon enough that I never enter combat. This saves vanish in case the trickier sneak past the pathing stealth detecting mobs later goes bad (you can thus get though the whole place with out ever using vanish, saving it in case of emergency), minor point true, but one avoided death is an improvement in gold per hour (be that earned or saved, I use the lichen for Ironshields myself).
edit* This is as PvE combat, no points in sub necessary.
If nethers are this cheap you should be buying literally as many as you can afford to bank. With your consumption alone (and the fact that you can markup spellthreads and other items 70-150g on the nether cost alone) you should see prices rise to an 'acceptable' level where you can dump nether-crafted items onto the market for an absolute killing. Nethers at 20-30g apiece is like seeing real-life gold at $200 an ounce: Fucking buy it before someone else does.
The problem is that demand for Nethers is more or less constant. 90% of the crafted gear you can make out of them doesn't get made anymore, so disregard that. The inflow of legs from Council / arena doesn't go up much from week to week and the available supply of Nethers outpaces it by quite a bit. As a result, while there's a decent profit to be made in spellthread/nether* kits, the demand just isn't there to turn around even a fraction of the nethers being listed.
The problem is that demand for Nethers is more or less constant. 90% of the crafted gear you can make out of them doesn't get made anymore, so disregard that. The inflow of legs from Council / arena doesn't go up much from week to week and the available supply of Nethers outpaces it by quite a bit. As a result, while there's a decent profit to be made in spellthread/nether* kits, the demand just isn't there to turn around even a fraction of the nethers being listed.
I agree with your main point but I think you underestimate the market for nether craftables. The crafted products that were popular with fresh 70s a year ago are popular today, and the crafted junk that couldn't compete with shadowlabs gear let alone heroic MgT gear was never really popular or profitable. Fewer new 70s means less demand for the things, but they do have some use down the road in leg enchants and T5 boots and such.
The interesting thing about the market for primal nether is the supply is steady and decentralized. Short of trading badges for them, which i doubt is the profitable option on many servers, there's no way to farm them. You get a nice spread of prices for single nethers, but rather than buying at 30g to resell for 45 or what have you, it might be better to snap up the cheap ones and save em for Season 4. You should get a good price and find demand for your stores on the day its released.
I agree with your main point but I think you underestimate the market for nether craftables. The crafted products that were popular with fresh 70s a year ago are popular today, and the crafted junk that couldn't compete with shadowlabs gear let alone heroic MgT gear was never really popular or profitable. Fewer new 70s means less demand for the things, but they do have some use down the road in leg enchants and T5 boots and such.
The interesting thing about the market for primal nether is the supply is steady and decentralized. Short of trading badges for them, which i doubt is the profitable option on many servers, there's no way to farm them. You get a nice spread of prices for single nethers, but rather than buying at 30g to resell for 45 or what have you, it might be better to snap up the cheap ones and save em for Season 4. You should get a good price and find demand for your stores on the day its released.
I have a question regarding Season 4. If I remeber correctly it will require a rating of 1650 to get your season 4 legs. So if I understand an arena reset correctly (which I may not) wont everyones team be reset to 1500, so therefore not many people will need leg enchants right away, and conceivably the people who will get on quickly make a new team and start gaining ratins will probably have their own spellthreads saved up.
This is the issue with season 4, people wont be able to buy as much off the bat. Many people may not be able to buy season 4 legs for over a week, which makes it hard for there to be a spike in the market price because the demand will be so spread out from one team to the next.
With that all being said I am still saving around 15 gems uncut of each type and probably 15 nethers (or some premaid spellthread if I can get cheap primals) for season 4 because I still think there is profit to be made, just not as much as you might think
Something I've found is the Adamanite treasure chests in Netherstorm seem to have 2 to 5 Super mana/health pots per chest. Simply hitting up the ones along my normal routes for Adamanite farming seem to have gotten me enough for an injector. Which added 60g to the profits for the night.
I also ended up with a bunch of misc herbs as well.
The demand will be fairly large. Don't forget that the season 2 gears will be available for purchase come season 4 and lots of ppl who have been farming honor points will come to the market for gems, enchants etc.
05/16/08, 3:20 PM
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