As previously mentioned in the thread, one of the best ways to aquire Large Prismatics is to craft Braided Eternium Chains and shard them. I was able to pick up the pattern for about 110G and it payed for itself in about 30 minutes. If I would have had all the Primal Earth and Adamantite Dust that I had ever auctioned or vendored, I can't even imagine how many shards I could have created.
I've farmed two epic flyers using the tips here coupled with holiday raid down time. Big thanks to everyone for all the helpful suggestions.
I've recently gotten back to WoW after a 1 year absense. Explainably, my gear isn't all that, and I've only got about 1000g. I've still not touched Blade's Edge Mountains, Netherstorm or SMV. How much gold will the quests net me there, approximately?
Also, which of the daily quests are worth doing, in terms of gold/effort? What daily quests do you guys usually do, and in what order (exclude Netherwing, no epic flyer)?
Farming LPS in instances is possible but difficult, since it needs a party really.
The best way to craft them I know of is from [Pattern: Arcanoweave Bracers]. 36 Netherweave Cloth and 12 Arcane Dust gives a 99.5% chance of an LPS, and a 0.5% chance of a Void. Mat costs are highly variable, but I can usually craft at least a couple pairs every day for 20-22g or so. LPS run 28g or more. Steady income.
If you're trying to accumulate LPS for an enchant, then farming Netherweave and lvl 64+ greens would be a slow but reliable source.
That's a terrific idea, and one I wish I had thought of earlier. I farm Legion Hold a lot, which drops a considerable amount of cloth and greens that I disenchant on the fly and convert the cloth to bolts. But I still run out of bag space pretty quickly.
With the cost of LPS being what it is I should be able to kill two birds with one stone - make a slight bit more profit making the bracers and disenchanting them while I farm, and keep my bags emptied as well as I stack up shards. Thanks for the tip.
Yields an [Aquamarine Signet] which DEs into [Small Radiant Shard]. Total mat cost runs around 5.5g, give or take. Small Radiants seem to be running around 9-10g on my server. If you buy in bulk, and sell when the AH is empty, 5g profit isn't hard. Also, since Small Radiants are used in Fiery enchants, the volume isn't huge, but people are using them every day.
Yields an [Aquamarine Signet] which DEs into [Small Radiant Shard]. Total mat cost runs around 5.5g, give or take. Small Radiants seem to be running around 9-10g on my server. If you buy in bulk, and sell when the AH is empty, 5g profit isn't hard. Also, since Small Radiants are used in Fiery enchants, the volume isn't huge, but people are using them every day.
Nice one, but afraid it doesn't go on my server. You can try to find the crappy Aquamarine Signets cheap on AH though - you know, the Of Spirit or Of the Boar versions... People mass produce 'em so you might get lucky.
On the upside, people can underprice Of the Bear/Monkey/Agility etc etc. Those are sought after by twinks and rather popular.
They're expensive because they are required in large quantities for every enchant worth a damn and you can't get nearly enough of them in a single run of an instance like you used to at 60 with LBS. Blizzard restricted the supply too heavily and artificially increased the demand for them through the high mat requirements for them.
Not to mention that the Gladiator-gear-for-honour continues to cause an inflated demand for enchants of all sorts. Even after the great price spike from everyone saving up their honour waiting for 2.3, I think this inflation will be ongoing - there's just simply more players getting more epics and wanting good enchants on them than there ever was before.
I have two characters. Main is Mage (engineer/miner) alt is Hunter (herb/alch). I usually play in the evenings to late at night so after i'd pvp or raid or do an instance i would do the night's farm. That involves some mining, some herb gathering or just plain farming.
Pre-TBC i'd first log on my Mage pick an area with Rich Thorium farm some humanoids or some elementals at that area while doing a mining route until i have an Arcane Crystal or two if on a lucky streak, teleport mail the crystal(s) to Hunter and log with him. Pick up previous day's crystal(s) from mailbox, transmute arcanite if up, brew some potion/elixirs (mongoose, major mana, brute strength etc) start some auctions and head out to some nice herb area.
Enter TBC i levelled the Mage of course. Starting off with about 1000-1200g i hit 70 with about 2500g (from questing and mining mainly). I still have available half the quests in Blade's Edge and everything in Netherstorm and Shadowmoon Valley. So go-go xp to gold conversion. I already could afford normal Flyer and in 10-15 days solid questing and some instancing i got Swift Purple Griffon. As far as the Hunter is concerned i only brought him to Outlands to increase his Alchemy. I usually try to send him reagents for Primal Might on daily basis but even without that i can still make a nice income be it from mining (adamantite ore, rare gems), dailies and primals/humanoid farming.
I am now at about 2500-2800 gold and try never to go below 2k.
As a general recommendation i would have to say never go without one gathering profession on any character. It's a shame passing by a mining-herb node or even an unskinned corpse and just let those goods lie there.
By the way, the blue Orgri'la items can be disenchanted. Summoning a demon from a Legion teleporter is faster than dealing with a Gardian Monument (you don't have to do the Simon's game and they have far less hp).
You can just let the simon's game fail and the Guardian will spawn anyway. I find the guardians to be alot easier to duo as holy paladin + melee dps actually.
WoWHead states all elites in that zone around the same HP range.
The idea about turning your apexis shards in LPS has been mentioned in one of the first pages of this topic aswell .
I always did the Simon's game fully as it would also complete my daily quest. Did a quick search on the topic but I guess I did not use the right terms.
There have been some absolutely amazing suggestions and information regarding money-making tools in WoW. Although my goal is never to be insanely wealthy, I'm also striving for that ever elusive epic flier (and don't know anybody who has enough money to give me a loan). Farming is a hit or miss thing; most of the time I put myself to sleep doing it, regardless of whether I have Nevermore or Sigur Ros playing in the background while I do it. The only point where farming becomes even bearable is when I'm really talking to someone else and all I'm doing is killing ogres in Nagrand in the downtime (Consortium rep is the devil). I consistently cut gems to throw up for auction, and am going to try farming the ogri'la bosses tomorrow for shard love. The Shartuul event still eludes me though ...
All that aside, I have a couple questions regarding Bottomscanner and Appraiser.
Regarding Bottomscanner: I seem to end up with REALLY inflated market values with Bottomscanner; is this because I need to purge my auctioneer saved data and spend a couple weeks scanning the market as is now (as opposed to keeping all the data it's accumulated over the last year)? After blindly trusting it and losing about 300g, I stopped using it mostly because it turned up absolute shit in the way of auctions. Is this fixable by some settings in the scanner?
Regarding Appraiser: I'm clueless. I look at the mod, and it looks very pretty, but I don't exactly understand its function in terms of turning items into denero. Bottomscanner turns up some stuff for appraisal as well; I don't exactly know what it does so I've turned it off for now. Could someone explain in detail how this mod works (in economic terms)?
I use bottomscanner as a guide. Dont blindly trust it, but if it catches something you otherwise wouldnt have been searching for that you know is a good deal go for it.
As far as appraiser goes, near as I can tell it's glorified item posting interface. I'm also not sure why sometimes bottomscanner marks possible purchases for appraiser.
[...] and all I'm doing is killing ogres in Nagrand in the downtime (Consortium rep is the devil).
I don't get why one would want to farm the Ogres unless they're also after Kurenai/Maghar rep.
The Heap @ Area52 is far superior for Consortium Reputation, particularly when you can go hand in the Ethereum Prison Keys. I think the grind to exalted with Consortium largely paid for my epic flight form.
Bottomscanner is great, but you always need to sanity check the recommendations. Think... What is this item? Where does it come from? Who uses it? How am I going to turn this item back into gold? What makes me sure this will work?
Good example - Bottomscanner flagged a cheap [Underworld Band]. My thought process: "Alright, this is a rare world drop epic. Still a nice item, and popular among twinks and people leveling alts. I've seen it up repeatedly for ~50g more than this. I'm going to buy it, wait until there are none up on the AH, list it at a premium, and make a hefty profit." Result: Hefty profit.
Bad example - Bottomscanner flagged a ton of cheap [Buzzard Meat]. My thought process: "Alright, this is a crafting component used in cooking. Not sure what it makes exactly, some sort of buff food. Apparently this is a lot cheaper than normal...guess I'll buy it, and resell it." Result: Lost money. Turns out nobody wants Buzzard Meat at any proce. At the time it was only used for making mediocre +20 stam food, and there's no market for that either, and even if there was, it's flooded by OTHER +20 stam food. And there I was with a couple hundred cheap Buzzard Meat... I eventually got rid of them, right in time for the announcement of the new cooking Daily Quest.
The lesson is, don't buy anything if you don't understand why someone else is going to buy it back off you for a profit.
Bad example - Bottomscanner flagged a ton of cheap [Buzzard Meat]. My thought process: "Alright, this is a crafting component used in cooking. Not sure what it makes exactly, some sort of buff food. Apparently this is a lot cheaper than normal...guess I'll buy it, and resell it." Result: Lost money. Turns out nobody wants Buzzard Meat at any proce. At the time it was only used for making mediocre +20 stam food, and there's no market for that either, and even if there was, it's flooded by OTHER +20 stam food. And there I was with a couple hundred cheap Buzzard Meat... I eventually got rid of them, right in time for the announcement of the new cooking Daily Quest.
It is now used for the new pet buff food which gives +20 strength to the pet. And the meat is a pita to farm due to its horrendous drop rate. You could have probably made quite a nice profit if you'd sold it now. :P
If you are an alchimist, go for revered with Sporeggar and buy [Recipe: Transmute Primal Earth to Water].
Surely you will find a miner in your guild who is pleased to give you some stacks of Primal Earth , i earn ~20 gold/day just by clicking once a day.
It is now used for the new pet buff food which gives +20 strength to the pet. And the meat is a pita to farm due to its horrendous drop rate. You could have probably made quite a nice profit if you'd sold it now. :P
Yep, hence why I mentioned the cooking daily quest. Ah, irony...
With the daily cooking quest, I feel it's necessary to mention that by always taking the crate of meat, you can save a whole lot more time. The crate of meat will often have the ingredients for the required reagents for the other cooking dailies. I took the crate of meat for a week, result being that I don't have to farm for any warp burgers, mok'nathal shortribs, crunchy serpent or roasted clefthoof for at least a month. I've even got a couple of stacks of things on my AH alt for when prices become more reasonable.
Sure, the fish is tempting, but by taking the fish you'll spend less time fishing, more time farming animals for their meat. My fishing is only 250 odd, so the fish is hugely tempting, along with the +30 stam food I could conceivably make, but I don't want to sit through the grind of getting to 375 just to be able to possibly catch some myself. The other benefit is that since I raid on Clefthoof, I save more time by maybe getting it from my meat crate. I leveled cooking to 375 to save myself gold by not having to buy raid food, the cooking daily just lets me save even more time by not farming for it.
With the daily cooking quest, I feel it's necessary to mention that by always taking the crate of meat, you can save a whole lot more time. The crate of meat will often have the ingredients for the required reagents for the other cooking dailies. I took the crate of meat for a week, result being that I don't have to farm for any warp burgers, mok'nathal shortribs, crunchy serpent or roasted clefthoof for at least a month. I've even got a couple of stacks of things on my AH alt for when prices become more reasonable.
Sure, the fish is tempting, but by taking the fish you'll spend less time fishing, more time farming animals for their meat. My fishing is only 250 odd, so the fish is hugely tempting, along with the +30 stam food I could conceivably make, but I don't want to sit through the grind of getting to 375 just to be able to possibly catch some myself. The other benefit is that since I raid on Clefthoof, I save more time by maybe getting it from my meat crate. I leveled cooking to 375 to save myself gold by not having to buy raid food, the cooking daily just lets me save even more time by not farming for it.
I find, overall, you get more value from the meat crate. The fish crate almost ALWAYS has stupid barbed gill trout in them which are more or less useless. Sure there's a chance at golden darter/furious crawdad (and I even picked up a goldenscale vendorfish once), but overall you'll make more from the meat one even if you're just throwing it on the AH for cheap.
With the daily cooking quest, I feel it's necessary to mention that by always taking the crate of meat, you can save a whole lot more time. The crate of meat will often have the ingredients for the required reagents for the other cooking dailies.
From a "saving time with the cooking daily" aspect, another tip: When you get the Kaliri-wing daily, use the fire at the Skyguard camp to cook the Monstrous Kaliri stew, and get another wing (since you can only have one at a time) before you turn in the quest. The next time it comes up as a daily, you don't have to leave Shatt.
For crates, the only reason to pick the fish one is to get the spell +crit recipe. Once you have it, it's meat all the way.
Blacksmithing tip: Silver Rod / Truesilver Rod / Weapon Chain
Leatherworking tip: Cobrahide/Clefthide Leg Armor
Tailoring tip: Arcanoweave Bracers (shard 'em)/ White Bandit Mask / Star Belt
Engineering tip: Cogspinner Goggles (shard 'em)
I suppose the Spelldamage or Healing pants enchants might work as well for tailoring, but didn't look at those.
The above *should* let you get away with a profit for just buying mats @ auction house and then selling the result.
Obviously, this may not hold true on all servers.
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Money-making tip on new server: Herbalism Pouches. Sell for 10s from the Herbalism vendor. I've been able to sell 'em for 75s in the Auction House. Similarly, the pattern for Barbaric Bracers (LW recipe) can net you 1g profit.
I have always tried to earn gold in an aggregate manner, my bankroll being a collection of thousands of small profits. That way, if one method dries up, it is not my sole source of revenue.
Apparently, I am not as well diversified as I seem to think. The Arcane Dust and LPS market took a dump this week. Most of my mining / enchanting / Jewelcrafting results in those 2 items being the finished product. I think the extra server traffic (school kids) is increasing the supply.
I make 200g in 90mins. That is the extent of my 'gold making portion of my day'. I farm ore for an hour, switch to bank alt, and farm the AH for 30 mins. I like this method. I don't get burned out, it doesn't seem like a 'job', and my gold/hour is respectible in my opinion.
What do you guys do when the market turns on you?
Arcane Dust on the AH dropped from 1.45g last week to 0.99g this week. LPS's are down to 24g from 28g. It may not seem like a big deal, but say you have 1000 dust and 100 shards banked? I lost 850g just on the price change. What would you do? Dump everything and take the 3400g and run? Fight back, buy all 350 dust listings on the AH and relist them? Surely the supply of dust that people have banked is too large for that to work for long. Wait it out and hope that the price change is temporary and will normalize come the first week of January?
I really don't want to level alts to fill the holes in my crafting (tailoring, alchemy mostly). But I guess I could if that is the only answer.
Consider why the market might have changed. You haven't "lost" the gold your items were worth unless the price stays there.
I don't deal in shards much, so I can't really speak for that, but I have noticed that the prices on a lot of things have dropped over the holidays, and had attributed it to several raids cancelling for this week. Some raid consumables are way down, from there being less raiding and more farming serverwide. I'm seeing bulk stacks of super manas and dreaming glory at nearly half of what they have been, so it's prime time for stocking up. It'll all be money saved for my own raiding down the road, or sold when the market for them comes back.
Netherweave is moving like crazy though, and I can't explain it. Maybe people are tailoring their alts, or have gotten wise to sharding arcanoweave bracers.
These sorts of things will vary with a server's progression and population, but if arcane dusts aren't selling at 1g you aren't going to sell 350 of them at 1.5g. It's too easy to be underbid again to make such an investment.
Was hoping to make some gold on the Arcanoweave bracers, since LPS prices on my server have moved to 30-34g each, but while Arcane dusts were at 1,3g each not more than a few weeks ago, they have now moved to an average of 1,8g each, with 350 auctions of them on the ah, but none of them being sold. No real undercutting is going on either, annoys the hell out of me.
I'm earning a good amount of cash on spellthreads though, hands me a good profit of 30-50g on the cheap ones, and far more on the epic ones.
Arcane Dust on the AH dropped from 1.45g last week to 0.99g this week. LPS's are down to 24g from 28g. It may not seem like a big deal, but say you have 1000 dust and 100 shards banked? I lost 850g just on the price change. What would you do? Dump everything and take the 3400g and run? Fight back, buy all 350 dust listings on the AH and relist them? Surely the supply of dust that people have banked is too large for that to work for long. Wait it out and hope that the price change is temporary and will normalize come the first week of January?
I'd wait it out and relist on Tuesdays when people will be getting gear from arena and will be looking to enchant it. You could always list it at the higher price since there is no deposit on enchanting materials and hope that supply goes down to the point where your stuff would sell. I noticed a dip in the price of LPS on my server this morning, and also wonder if it's temporary, since last night mine would sell in less than 2 hours after I listed them up.
12/27/07, 1:29 PM
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