I didn't get mine back either after doing Shartuul from the event itself, so I guess he just ticketed it. I usually just can't be bothered to for relatively small things like these. >_>

You can still outrange his incinerate by running into the opposite corner of where he stands instead of ice blocking it. Don't think it works while he stands in the center though.

Use Shadow Nova for eyes. Pyroblasting them one by one takes way too much time.

That being said, I just don't bother with Shartuul anymore. It bores the heck out of me and I never attempted it without having 4 shards anyway because I wanted to Chaos Strike twice just to speed things up.

Log out for 15 minutes so you can get unstunned, and put in a ticket. The second time they told me they are aware of the bug and that I should wait awhile before doing it again. Lame.

The incinerate still hurts quite a bit even with cleansing the Immolate.

That may seem like it should be the case, but you have to remember that as time goes by, many people stop doing the Shatruul event. Some people achieve exalted with Ogri'la and feel that the money from the dailies alone without the bonus of reputation gain does not justify the time requirement of the dailies. The dailies have a natural population cap (particularly on higher population and/or PvP servers), since people tend to shy away from farming in areas that are overpopulated with competition from other players. Also, consider the fact that the new dailies, particularly the heroic instance and BG dailies, provide a way for people to earn money and epic gear at the same time, which many players prefer over the Ogri'la dailies.

In my case, I just plain despise the Shartuul event because I feel it's a bug-infested failure. I've cleared it many times over (and got my Depleted Badge on my very first clear), but I've also spent 30 minutes running the event just to watch it abruptly end via falling through one of the many different holes in the event's coding. Sometimes the frustration just outweighs the potential reward.

I usually go in with 5 crystal foci on me as "safety" - one available for the bombing run when the shivan appears if I mess that up, and 2 chaos strikes for shartul. If I dont happen to get the foci at random while banishing the demons they are usually 2 g a pop on the AH so thats not a problem.

What always worked for me was to watch a movie or so while jumping every 2 minutes. When a GM can actually come and confirm you'r stuck in the event, they always refund a rune.

The problem is when he starts doing all his abilities in a row. Eyes --> immolate --> incarnate. If you just 'react' to what happends then, you will get stuck in the form CD.

Oh I see it was GM related, yea I'm not gonna bother waiting 6hours for a GM to show up to replace a darkrune quite frankly.


Yea that's exactly why I don't AE the eyes, I got stuck quite often in shadow due to stance cooldown while he was incinerating. If I stay in a corner, I only have to pyro 2 eyes, which doesn't take too long, unless I'm getting these stupid bugs and the eyes are not taking any damage from my pyroblasts, which happens often enough. The event is quite buggy, but well I can't really get over the 1k badge of tenacity ^^

The whole 'eyes --> immo --> incarnate' sequence happends at least once to me usually.

I found that standing inside the transporter is pretty easy aswell, since you often have 0-1 eyes attacking you and his 'beam' spell only moves you a few yards.
(then again, he did reset to 100 once when I got stuck because of his beam once)

My first 2 kills I didn't have to use any chaos strike. The next 2, I died terribly because of shit luck. Since then I consider spending 5-6g to buy 2crystals every 4-5days to do the event is better than losing the rune to shit luck.

Yeah, I got stuck once and he evaded. I could pull him out of evade and get him to ~60% and he would evade again. And I couldn't reset it (If you run past the line 3 or 4 times in a row it resets). I had to log off and wait for it to reset itself.

A way to reset it yourself is to pull agro from the wandering warlock type mobs.

Reading all those elaborate strategies on how to avoid his Incinerate makes me wonder if I am the only one here not Ice Blocking it. It is alot less hassle to just outrange it and I think the only time I did Ice Block in over 15 kills was because I was explaining a guildie in /p what I was doing and why so he could learn and I was mid sentence when he started casting it (I really hate to stop typing mid-way :P).

Basically I'd start Shartuul in Shadow Form, Shadow Novaing him or Eyes. After that I'd cast Siphon (not as first spell because the first spell cast usually fails - it doesn't show up as resisted in your combat log, it just vanishes as if you never casted it) and go Fire Form to stack Flame Buffet and do the proper DPS. Every 30 secs I swap to Shadow, Nova him or some Eyes, then Deathblast, reapply Siphon, Nova something again and go back to Fire and repeat the steps above. If he starts casting Incinerate I just run from him and don't get hit by it (and if I do, it's not a big deal since you can easily survive 1 Incinerate).

Failing that, there is always Chaos Strike to instantly get you back to 100% health anyway (get the Focii from the AH if you must).

It's not such a big deal to eat the incinerate if you are stuck in shadow form. I just switch to shadow when it's up and I have no debuffs running. The deathblast will heal you about every 30s for 15% so you can easily eat an incinerate sometimes which does about 30-40% of your hp.

Ooh, I didn't know you could do that, I'll definitely try it tonight. A few questions, though, that would save me some experimenting: how far away do you have to get? Can you just start running out of the area, and let him fail to cast the incinerate and then use the magnetic pull on you? Is it possible to run far enough away while he's casting that the event bugs out? I'm going to do the event when I get home from work, and it'd be awesome to not have to spend all my crystal foci, since I've got another darkrune and 4/5ths of a third waiting in the wings. I can kite the eye and the dog like a pro, but man Shartuul just messes me up every time without Chaos Strike to fall back on

Shartuul isn't so hard as long as you keep up on cleansing yourself of debuffs, and shifting back and forth from Fire to Shadow to keep all your debuffs applied. Make sure you properly Siphon him before you switch back to fire, and then open up with a Shadow Nova, then the Shadow blast or whatever it is that heals you. You want to always END the phase with the Siphon Life, that way its ticking the whole time healing you up, basically negligating his shadow bolt damage.

Of course, you can always get *very* unlucky and have tons of resists in a row, and that's when it's fun to get down to 5% health and work your way back up and eventually kill him!

I don't think that's the issue for most of us who uses chaos strike, it's just that if you switch stances a lot, you'll often get caught in a shitty position. Example would be, you get immolated as soon as you switch to shadow and he follows by incinerate, you're then taking some big damage and immolate is ticking, by the time you switch to fire you probably have the shadow debuff too so it takes 6more seconds to clean everything, and you lose a ton of hp in the process. If switching stances wasn't as limited it wouldn't be an issue to nova/devour the syphon/recast syphon every 30secs, but you only need a shitty luck streak to be forced into using chaos strike anyway, and it might be quite early too, which means if you get another bad luck streak during the fight, you're gonna have to chaos strike again.

If you play it safe with 1 chaos strike, you don't need another since you're never taking any damage from the immolate/shadow debuff, always iceblocking the incinerate, and only take a bit of eye damage for a few seconds.

As I said, my 2 first tries went smoothly enough that I didn't have to use chaos strike, switching stances often and all, but after losing to crappy luck on one try and even crappier luck on the next, I just decided it wasn't worth it. I had like 3syphon resists, got caught on frost aspect timer with incinerate 3times, had to chaos strike twice and still died on the really shitty luck try. Everytime I did something he'd counter it pretty much, random timers sure can look not so random sometimes ^^.

Using one chaos strike per kill doesn't cost much anyway, I usually find one focus every darkrune, and buy another from the AH for 3g or so.

Anyway enough shartuul talk, it's a good way to make money on the side, but it's definitely not a great money maker since it's purely based on luck, and limited to 1try every5days, more if you get lucky, but I doubt you'll get more than 1 kill every4days over 2months. The badge sells for a lot, but the rest isn't that great.

Another moneymaker if you're a regular AH player, have access to Miner, BS, Disenchanter and your prices are looking something the following:
7-8g/stack of [Fel Iron Ore]
1.6-2g/arcane dust
6-7g/greater planar essence

Buy the ore, melt it to bars and craft - depending on how much you want to gamble
[Fel Iron Chain Coif] - 2-3 dust/2-3 lesser planar
or
[Fel Iron Breastplate] 2-5dust/1-2 greater planar

Your talking about Zanger Marsh? Where are you talking about exactly? Because your not really making any sense.

I'm guessing he means Quagg Ridge, south of Zabra'Jin. Primal Life drop rate is reasonably decent there, however most times Primal Life isn't particularly worth farming (16g seems a little on the high side, here it's more like 8-10g).

I noticed that for auctioneer, prices of things can be easily manipulated to increase. For example, someone on my server started listing Large glimmering shard for 10000g for quite a long time and prices of large glimmering shard actually rose from 30s to about a gold each. (acutioneer actually shows each as worth 3000g).

I am thinking if we could list things are large prismatic/arcane dust for obscene amounts of gold and make all the auctioneer users raise their prices and overall raise the price of that good

With the current prices for Primal Shadow, I find Manaforge Ultris in Netherstorm a very good location. The only ppl I see there are ppl doing the quests, and I just keep going, only have to drink up every 5 mins or so. And I almost don't get hit either. And I find it easier farming Primal Shadow in Netherstorm then in Nagrand, since in Netherstorm I have to pay attention to what kind of mob I'm attacking, or I´ll give it resistance to my main-school.

Besides that, the BEM & Skettis-dailies have for months been my main money-source, when I was trying to get the money together for my Epic Flyer & access to the Netherwing dailies. Now I always do the cooking daily, keep the +sta, +spelldmg foods, the Golden Darters & all foods can possibly be used in the cooking daily. When I've got more then enough of a certain type, I sell it on AH. And I try to do the Heroic Daily every day, depending on the instance, though. Combined with the 2 quests in the Netherwing Mine, it's more then enough to keep me raiding.

For the big money makers, I'm actually using only 1 thing: Shadowtailor-speciality, and the Girdle of Ruination-pattern, which I bought for 1k. Takes 5 CD's if you're doing it on your own, but with the help of a couple of guildies, you should be able to sell a belt every 4 days. I sell them for 1k-1.5k each, and build up stacks of Spellcloth & Primal Mooncloth @ the same time as well, in case I need money very badly all of a sudden (which isn't often the case, though).

Not as fast as farming your ass off, but it's easy & not that work-intensive. In other words, ideal for the those with a bit less time out there, or those that can't really be arsed to farm each day.

Besides the Primal Nether, that item needs, for a Shadowcloth spec tailor:

• 5 x Bolt of Imbued Netherweave @ 8g = 40g
• 5 x Primal Shadow @ 16g = 80g
• 21 x Primal Shadow @ 25g = 525g

Total: 645g cost, but it requires 20 days of shadowcloth spec cooldowns. For non shadowcloth spec, it's 890g, and 40 days of cooldowns. Although the specced 10 Shadowcloth alone could have made you >150g over those 20 days, assuming you sell the cloth at a cut-rate price of 40g. Still, the Girdle isn't that bad if you can mooch the specced cooldowns out of your friends and guildies.

General observations about crafting for profit with Primal Nethers:

For "big ticket" items requiring Primal Nethers, I generally avoid factoring in my "savings" for mats I can farm or generate cheaply (e.g, specced cloth). There are exceptions, such as fairly trivial (time-wise) component to craft where the AH price is significantly greater than the component cost, and the time to make is quick. This goes back to earlier comments about farming; I won't farm for mats when it saves <100g/hr, since that's what a lazy (yet boring) series of dailies provides.

I prefer to work out if the item is profitable (especially those that need Primal Nethers) if I buy the mats off the AH at or below current market costs, and I can sell the crafted item at a decent profit. Fizzwidget's ReagentCost in conjunction with Auctioneer is rather handy for this. For example, the "Astroboy tanking hat" (Helm of the Stalwart Defender) is about 400-450g of AH mats, and sells between 900-1200g on the AH. Even 450g is a good profit for a Primal Nether, and the reason why I refuse offers of an 80-100g crafting fee for items that use Primal Nethers; I can spend my own money on mats and make 3-5x the profit in the same amount of time.

For a smith, making weapons with Primal Nethers isn't generally that profitable. (Although I did make a pair of Felsteel Longblades on my rogue, to wear around town with full Darkmantle, for a more "ninja" look.) Certain armor pieces do work out at "multiple hundreds of gold per Primal Nether", at least for Blacksmiths and Leatherworkers. I do tell potential customers that I won't make certain items because it's not worth the money (e.g, the Bracers of Green Fortress, when it's usually going to a tank about to hit Kara, and Attumen drops better), and I'm sure even customers of the Astroboy hat know it's going to be replaced whenever T4 drops off the Prince. There's also competition in various slots from Badge of Justice items, Honor items, and in some cases, Arena items.

After lurking this thread for some time, I thought it was time to contribute something useful.

If you are in the possession of some rather rare enchants (eg. savagery, mongoose, soulfrost/sunfire, executioner but also +40 spelldamage / +81 healing on weapon) there is money to be made by selling these and supplying the mats for them.

Often you will see people in the trade channel offering enchants for free or a small fee if the person brings his own mats. I've found that by offering my own mats I can make a nice profit on the mats, especially if I make the mats myself.

For instance, take Savagery:
* 4 Large prismatic shards
* 40 arcane dust

I make the large prismatic shards myself by disenchanting arcanoweave bracers and the dust I buy from AH every time I see a stack <35g. Sometimes I see some heavy undercutting (as low at 28g a stack) and I buy everything till 35g a stack. Part of it is re-listed at 39g50s a stack and a part of it is directed into my enchanting stream.

On average I pay 32g a stack of arcane dust and 3g25s per stack of netherweave so a bracer costs me:
12 dusts = 32g / 20 * 12 = 19g20s
36 cloth = 3g25s / 20 + 36 = 5g85s
total of : 25g5s

I Disenchant this and 99,5% is an large prismatic shard, 0,5% is a void crystal (which is actually worth less).
All in all I pay 100g20s for 4 Large prismatic shards and 64g a for 40 arcane dust.

This means that Savagery costs me 164g5s and I sell it regularly for 210g. That's about ten times more than the 5g tip I usually get and all it takes is some AH playing which I find more enjoyable than doing an hour's worth of daily quests.

Once I start selling this in /2 there will always be someone who does the math by himself and think "Hey, If I buy the mats on AH myself it'll be cheaper!". Which is true, but by doing so he's gonna have to buy the stacks of arcane dust between 35g and 39g50s which makes my dusts more likely to sell on AH (profit again). If they don't, it doesn't matter since arcane dust doesn't have a deposit cost anyway.

Some other enchants:
The costs for Mongoose in mats are ~500g and I sell it for 600g.
+40 spellpower costs me about ~225 in mats and sells for 310g easily.
I also sell agility on weapon, agility on gloves, threat on gloves.. all with the same formula behind them.

Some people are apparently in such a hurry that they can't be bothered to grind for mats but are cash-capable of spending several hundreds of gold on an enchant. Even if you don't sell someone a hefty enchant you can get all kinds of business just by getting your name out there.