Gogusrl

No one said anything about crafting epics. I usually buy all mats in bulk (/2 wtb [primal xxx]x20 paying 300g works wonders) and craft all the good boe epics on the market like [Vengeance Wrap], [Steelgrip Gauntlets], [Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer], [Thick Netherscale Breastplate], [Shadowprowler's Chestguard], [Cloak of Darkness] that bring me 300-600g profit / craft. For nethers i pay between 50 and 75g each. Then start spamming the trade channel / putting them up the ah only during the night from ~12 am to 8 am, the rest of the time I noticed they don`t really sell. Epic leg armor sells pretty well also (70-100% profit usually).
I made ~30-40k gold so far from doing this. Ofcourse I also check all blue items over lvl 60 either for sharding (hello lvl 65+ blues for 5-10g each), primals, darkmoon cards (if you have 1-3 blessing / lunacy decks for sale when the faire comes to town you can get 500-1k g profit on each one).
There are many other things to buy / sell / craft but i`m not gonna post all my secrets on a public forum

 

Opioid

I disagree. Nickel and diming herbs and enchanting paraphernalia are *insane* sources of cash. Such volatile markets, even waiting 6 hours in some cases gives you the room to boost the price just a bit, and then you're gold. Tinkering in the margins of herbs/enchanting has been a huge money maker from day one of WOW, and it remains so to this day.

I got to 70 in June on a server I never played before with no friends and totally new faction starting day of Burning Crusade release, and I had enough money to buy flying and epic flight training day-of (even after shelling out for epic mount, got lazy and didn't do dreadsteed right at 60 because I didn't want to go back to the old world.) My money, aside from the obvious trickle of quests rewards, was all from nickel-and-diming enchanting mats and low end gems (with the lions share coming from the thorium gems and other pre-socket things.) By 70 I think I had the patterns for all of two blue cuts, the spell pen Solid Star and the parry Living Ruby (ugh) but that nickel-and-diming had taken me to the top even without the good cuts.

"NEVER buy a fork... just the other day I used it to eat my soup and it all just slipped through! I got like, two drops for every scoop"

Or in other words: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Auctioneer is a brilliant, indispensable tool but it requires adjustments to the user variables based on your server's market and trends. You have to configure it for best results for you, just like Pitbull or RDX or anything else. If you use it out of the box and just hit "scan" and let it list your auction, you are eating soup with a fork and it is not wholly the tools fault one achieves undesirable results. Learn to use it and tweak the user variables for your server conditions, and you will be saving a ton of time and eating steak in ways that a spoon never could.

I see this as a benefit, not a drawback. Human beings are things that daytrade and buy lottery tickets and spinning rims and don't max out their annual contributions to their 401K until they're 35. Having a tool that only shows you objective data and has no motivation or ambition grounds you in the cold hard economic reality of the situation instead of relying on a faulty recorder in your head that can lead you to make irrational decisions on gut instinct.

Here is a guide to help people understand and set up Auctioneer: Auctioneer - Norganna's AddOns

 

Barraind

I didnt list crafting items, as on Alleria, getting heroic groups was such a pain, that you could rarely meet demand. I spent most of my time needing 6-10 nethers to fill demand, at one point, I was at -19 nethers (nr resist set and frr resist set for guild, 3 felsteel reapers, 2 khorium champions, and the rest of what I needed for my own 2hander).

I suppose if you were in a situation where your tanks could mitigate burnout like your CC and healer, you could turn a healthy profit with the right items, but even without a huge supply of nethers, I only saw them above 100g in extreme cases (namely, 2h weapons, because I was the market and my supply didnt exist, so you paid a lot or you didnt get them), down to 50-75 for some spellthreads (at one point, if you sold 10 lifes on the AH and bought a golden, you would have spent 13.5g for the thread. This did come after one huge crash in the cost of life though, when the market had shot itself back up from 4.5g to 14g in a 2day period, which was completely baffling, as it didnt show the signs of being a buyout/relist situation)

 

• Icky P

During my epic mount grind I was shocked how easily it was to get gold. I did my dailies and then usually spent the length of around three movies circling Terrokar, picking everything up. I usually got something like 5-8 Black Lotuses, 8+ stacks of Terrocone and then a few stacks of other stuff. With inflating Terrocone prices up (literally monopolizing them), I could get 30-45g per stack meaning I usually got 500g total a night from herbs and dailies. Later on I got to do dailies with two accounts, which sped it up a little. This all depends on your server though, and what people are currently after herb/ore/etc wise.

 

Opioid

My take on the "dumb girl strategy:"

Disclaimer: You might think I am insensitive and if you do, or if you are interested in more straightforward ways of making your money, I don't have any problem with that and you might want to skip this. I do not think these things are true of female WOW players and it should not be held as my personal view; in fact, I learned the wisdom of it back on Mannoroth Alliance learning from a female priest in our end-game raiding guild who was very much more adept at imaginary money management than I. If you want to learn a new trick, read on:

The auction house is nice and a fruitful tool but it lacks a certain personal edge. You can see what you're getting for how much and who is selling it. This brings up a problem: peoples' personal feelings. Its sometimes too easy to get a reputation as a monopolizer on a server, and people get angry about someone with epics and a great deal of money skimming money off of the populace. I learned a lot from a Chinese fellow on Mannoroth named Aorum, who basically controlled the entire epic market on the AH in the Blackwing days and had a personal fortune of 137K gold, but never using his main.

Some people, especially the perpetually broke, are loathe to use the auction house as it hurts their pocketbook and can seem overwhelming like economic voodoo. Learning to use trade chat is a good way to tap this market of skimpers and savers.

Play into peoples' worst stereotypes. Create an elf healer. Give her a feminine sounding moniker (don't be too obnoxious or obtrusive here, obviously Bootypally is retarded, but something with a bit more tact and naivety will take you far.) Get her to a low level, 20s, 30s, and give her a mishmash of quest rewards and BOE stuff, about half badly itemized (wear a few cloth pieces on a druid or something, don't run around town naked and dancing on the mailbox obviously)

Now you are ready to sock it to the /trade channel. Sell odd varieties of things and try to skim a reasonable amount. You won't be able to deal tons of high-level stuff and stay convincing, but the occasional Black Temple gem as "a thing you got from your BF for raiding instead of going out with you" just adds to the flavor.

Sell some low risk things under value, to create the impression you don't know the worth of what you have. This opens up the enemies flank to when you skim things off the real money makers you are looking to get rid of.

You neutralize many of your the average complainers avenues against you. If someone says you're charging too much, act embarrassed that you don't know what you should have asked for... no one can beat up on the dumb girl without harming themselves just as much (or, in the case of me being called a slut in trade chat, a sympathetic buyer messaging you afterwards and what I can only assume was pity-purchasing the herbs I had, which were far below a 70.) In turn, a good deal of people looking to scam you will feel bad for picking on a broke lowbie just playing for fun.

If you do a convincing job, you'll notice that people really do treat you different. I never had people message me after a trade was complete, sometimes days later, when I was quite obviously acting macho. With my dumb girl alts, it happens a nauseating amount... but now and then I can still sometimes end up with something worth disenchanting or selling for a little small talk. No ones gonna give you an epic mount, the horror stories are cliche and internet legend at this point, but like I said every little bit helps. As an EJ poster you might think flagrant sexist attitudes and weak lonely nerds are fewer and more far between, or greatly exaggerated for comic effect... well I can say you've never been /me squeezes %t's ass! waiting for the zeppellin between Undercity and Orgrimmar, or had people actually respond to "throw in an extra gold if you /kiss."

For the time I kept track during a particularly obsessive period over a year ago, my margins for odd jobs/trades were 22-30% higher for the volume going through my dumb girl alt than on my gathering profession normal alt, and its not like the commodities were dramatically different. I admit fully that the economic part of WOW gets me every time and keeps me hooked, I recommend trying the psychological game to people with similar tastes.

 

Foofer

That's within 1g of the gold cap, which puts the 240,000 gold cap claim a bit off. I really doubt said player has two characters at the gold cap anyway, especially off of just dueling.

 

Huntardish

So whats the exact limit?

 

Foofer

2^31 copper - 214,748 gold 36 silver 48 copper.

 

Lavode

All AH strategies basically boil down to running arbritage on an innefficient market (The AH) which means it gets less profitable very quickly if any significant number of people are already doing it on your realm. Milage will wary, so I prefer to create items of actual value and sell them

The biggest bonanza I ever had was apparantly being the only 375 skill engineer with a signifianct source of primal nether during the patch that introduced the gyro-stabilised khorium destroyer as I was able to auction them succesfully at a 5-700 gold markup over the materials needed to make one for several weeks. This isnt quite as profitable anymore, but buying the materials carefully and auctioning the epic during the weekend will still make you a 2-300 gold profit on any decent pattern you happen to possess.

Mastering the Shartul event is also quite profitable - The worst item you can get from it is the mace, which I managed to sell for 100 gold, which even burning trough 10 crystal foci at 3g a pop is 70 gold in my pocket, and getting one of the good drops can easily be over a thousand gold.

 

Kikler

If you are doing 5/5 hyjal and 3 BT at wed i'd say go farm teron trash for gems/hods/epix :p You might get your self a toy for 0 DKP and loads of gold.I haven't tried it personally but 2 guild mates tried it last reset and they got 5 gems and 2 hods (AH hods for 1k , gems for 100-400)

 

Huntardish

I can't understand why on earth anyone would save that much gold, and how they saved that much gold (As a Priest no less!).

I could see it if you spent your weeks farming the soloable/duoable trash mobs in BT. Come to think of it, I see no reason why entire guilds aren't at the gold cap considering the absurd amounts you can make on some servers doing that (QQ Mal'ganis AH epic gem prices ).

 

Opioid

I wonder if it was lazy coding or intended for some strange purpose. Having the copper represented by one long results in a number thats way too high to crack down on gold farming, as its already around $40000 worth for one character, and yet still low enough to have people hit the ceiling (rarely, but they had to see if people had 100,000 gold in the BWL days it'd be hit one day easily enough)

Just seems odd, I can see either an int (for security purposes) or a long long (for a truly unreachable ceiling) but /shrug

 

Dolohov

I'm wondering why they went with a signed long to represent a value that can't be negative. An unsigned long would double the gold limit.

 

• Tecton

I'd imagine they went with a signed long because GMs have the ability to mark your gold stash as negative, stopping you from receiving any gold or dealing with anything. I've only heard of this used a few times though, usually when gold buying goes awry.

 

Alk

A tip for anyone who has skinning / leatherworking and wants some easy gold.

Open the map of shadowmoon valley, north of the hand of gul'dan there is a mountain with an orc shaman on top. The shaman is part of a quest in that region.
He has 5 boar pets besides him that are on an instant respawn timer. Basically once you kill the 5 of them, they start respawning right away.

What's so good about it is that you can sell, repair at the shaman right beside them and he even fully heals you when you are under 2k hp.

It's the fatest way to farm large ammount of heavy knothide leather.


Oh and there's also the darkmoon faire bug or w/e... That one is quite sick.. basically you can buy a few fel lotus for 12s every hour along with motes and all kind of gems.
But be quiet about it, shhhhh!

 

Thessaly

With T5ish gear, a Druid can pretty easily kill the trees in Cat, too, which is significantly faster. Imp. LotP pretty easily keeps up with the damage output that gets past the dodge rating, and there's Maim in case of a bad string of dodges or crits. I can usually stay just ahead of the respawn timer if I don't have competition.

 

Paa

With T4 tanking gear a warrior can solo them without losing more than 500HP.

 

GSH

Signed values allow for easier error detection. If you somehow end up with negative gold, you know something went wrong somewhere, and you can backtrack or reverse the transaction. In a perfect world it's not necessary, but it's very useful.

 

• Tecton

Tip for those grinding the trees, incidentally: if you're at maximum melee range, they won't thunderclap. Makes them a ton easier. You'll have to tap back every now and then to reposition.

 

Kuk

I haven't seen anyone mention BRD, which surprises me; it's reasonably modest, but I have seen a number of videos on YouTube showing almost exactly the path I take through the instance, which is:

Shadowforge Lock -> Angerforge -> Plugger -> Incendius -> Black Vault -> Loregrain

Once I get to the end, reset and repeat. This takes me almost exactly 10 minute a run, leaving a bit of time to stretch your legs at the end of every hour and nets a little over 50g an hour if all you do is vendor the drops. The beauty of it is there's no competition and the the vendor is inside the instance, so there are no problems with full bags (which is what generally lowers your productivity when farming lower level dungeons). You're also only fighting the bosses, so there is very little durability loss. Where it starts to get much more profitable is DE-ing drops from Angerforge and Incendius, netting 10 LBS an hour and the occasional Fiery Weapon and Jumper Cables XL recipe, both of which are never present on the AH on my server (although I suspect my monopoly may soon come to an end :P).

If you sell the DE'd drops you're looking at about 200g an hour, although you do have to intelligent about flooding the market, so it's more like 200g for an hour's worth or work.

On the subject of auctioneer: what kind of server load does scanning the AH like that create? I seem to recall being told that scanners like auctioneer were responsible for a lot of the AH lag that was prevalent a year or so ago. Is there any truth to this?

 

◊ Shalas

The fairly large delay between searches and page changes is there because AH scanning was killing the server without it. Even with the delay it's pretty hard on the server, so in 2.3 they're adding a function which returns a complete dump of the AH.

 

Phantasie

Patches are usually great for making money too. Find something new on patches that is craftable, buy/gather all the mats you can before the patch hits. When it does you can stick it to em and charge a lot more just because of the demand.

For instance, when I saw flask of pure death coming I started gathering and buying nightmare vine. At the time I was buying it, it was going for 30g a stack. The day the patch hit I ended up selling about 8 stacks for 80g a stack (yes 80g a stack!). Then people started undercutting me little by little, i was still selling quite a few stacks but price slowly went from 80-70-60.... now its back down to abou the original price of 30g.

Next patch is the new alchemist only potion, which uses 2 ragveil! I have purchased stacks of ragveil for 5g a stack, I can't wait to see how much I can milk that for!

One of the patches I'm kicking myself for not capitalizing on was the primal shadow patch. They nerfed the droprate on them then wham! added more craftables for them. Those things used to sell for like 1g a primal, with hundreds upon hundreds in the AH at a time. Man, if I had bought all those out I could be seriously rich today selling them for their usual 15-20g each.

http://armory.mmo-champion.com.nyud....it&s4=&s5=&v=2

 

Mex

I've found northern Netherstorm to be the best place to mine. Crusader aura + epic flying makes it cake, and if you're an engineer you can quite easily farm up to 4-5 primal mana an hour as well (just make sure you equip your goggles). The gasses can be hard to spot, but with SCT you just need to stop when you see a stream of +45 mana going above your head.

I've found though, that the most efficient way to make money is through dailies. Of course, due to their nature, you can't spend 8 hours a day doing them. This led me to try something different when levelling my shadow priest. Basically I finished Nagrand at 67 a few days ago, and I'm now grinding primal water below Halaa, with plans to do so until I hit 70, heading up to the wyvern roosts whenever PvP starts to save battle tokens. It'll take me an extra few days to hit 70, but really the cash flow is only slightly less than what I'd get doing the same thing at 70, and it means that I have all of BEM, Netherstorm, and SMV to do at 70. Each of these zones is worth at least 2000g, which will give me a huge cash influx (can generally knock each one out in a day) once I'm 70, for an easy epic flying mount and probably some Frozen Shadoweave.

The only other thing I can recommend, and it's not really a farming tip but at the end of the day it'll still give you more cash, is not farming stuff like copper / linen / briarthorn etc when levelling a crafting skill. I see this happen quite a lot (I myself levelled my pally as mining/skinning then picked up engineering at 70), and it's a horrible waste of time. If you have maxed mining and want to level smithing, or maxed skinning and want LW, etc etc don't farm low level stuff. Farm high level stuff, sell it, and buy the low level stuff off the AH for a FRACTION of the price (not to mention mining with an epic flying is a LOT faster than with epic ground mount). Not sure whether it'll help many people here, but I've seen enough guildies / friends do it that I feel it's worth mentioning.

 

master_y

Pre-TBC i leveled skinning up to 300.
Then leveled to 70 with skinning to 375.
Found the best leather grinding spot above coilskar cave in SMV.
There you will find Oronok Torn-heart. He spawns five domesticated boars every minute or so. Just gather then up and AoE them to death. When you are nearly dead you will find that Oronok heals you for enough to stay alive through the wave.
Leather will do very well for selling just after the release. I am planning to do this for WotLK aswell.

Controlling Knothide leather prices on your server i