Inaiwae

The 1st boss is as easy as the last one, we kill him in 2 druids (one heals) without problems,

 

Xequecal

1-300 costs 1000g, not 300-375. The old world mid-level green gems enter the economy at a very low rate, and you'll need to pay immense premiums to acquire bulk Aquamarines, Citrines, Jades, and Star Rubies for skillups. Even the really low level stuff like Tigerseye will set you back, and Jades/Citrines are easily 10g each now due to the need by jewelcrafters skilling up. Large Opals and Azerothian Diamonds for 260-300 are even worse, at 15g+ per gem.

 

• Dappa

So lately I've been looking into the jewelcrafting profession, and I've gotten some pretty good results with minimal effort.
Basicly, it's the normal plot of just buying [Adamantite Ore], prospect it and cut the blue gems. But before you do that, calculate the price you're gonna pay for the ores.

On my server specifically, I've got these prices:

• 28g [Dawnstone]
• 70g [Living Ruby]
• 36g [Nightseye]
• 45g [Noble Topaz]
• 36g [Star of Elune]
• 11g [Talasite]

Total average income on blue prospect: 38g
Now, you've got 18 % average on proccing a blue gem based on wowhead data (3% chance on each * 6).
Additionally, you get atleast 1x green gem and 1x [Adamantite Powder] worth approx ~ 1g.

Okay so lets calculate the maximum price I've set for Adamantite Ore: (4*0.18*38 +1)*0.95 =~ 27g

That's the maximum amount based on NO CUTS. But to really make a profit you need to buy cuts that generate revenue. It would be wise to have cuts for all the blues so you can use every single gem you prospect. Generally a cut would add 20% additional revenue based on which designs you use, so make sure you have a alot of cut designs to choose from so you can use the ones that are the most profitable on AH at the given time.

Also, I often see cheap uncut gems that I just cut and make a quick 5-10g profit. Pocketchange maybe, but still ...

EDIT: Instead of buying the green lowlevel gems directly, it might be wiser to prospect on tin ore and mithril ore to generate the gems. Was alot cheaper for me on my server

 

Edarran

Regarding your living ruby and noble topaz prices... Has anyone noticed a slow but steady rise in the prices of those gems? When I reactivated my account they were both around 50-54g depending on the day. Living rubies alone are averaging 58-62 gold and passably 60-64 in this week alone

 

Duilliath

Oddly enough, prices seem to be dropping on my server. Maybe too many people picked up jewelcrafting. Saw a living ruby offered today for 12g (!), where earlier those would sit around 35-40g comfortably.

 

swills

Is it now a reasonable time to speculate on what we're going to see happen to common sellers come 2.4? I realise it's a little early to say, but there's a lot you can predict based on patch notes & PTR drops alone.

Based on:
- Black Lotus replaced by Fel Lotus in herbalism skinning tables for Outland creatures (Skettis trees are farmed nearly 24/7 on most servers).
- Increased the chance that Felweed, Dreaming Glory, Ragveil, and Flame Caps will contain a Fel Lotus.
- You can now buy Flask of Pure Death & Flask of Blinding Light with Mark of the Illidari.

I think it's safe to say that going into the next patch with zero Fel Lotus in your bank is probably a good idea. Lower demand and higher supply can only mean a drop in price for these.

Enchanting wise the obvious one is:
- Enchanting recipe to shatter a Void Crystal into two Large Prismatic Shards.

On my server right now I'm seeing LPS at 22-23g, and Voids at 25-28g. Ultimately I'm guessing for a post patch stabilisation of 15-18g for LPS and 30-35g for Voids so there's a little room for profit here off Voids, but not much. It's possible they could stabilise anywhere between 15g/30g and 20g/40g but it's difficult to imagine LPS being worth more than 25g come 2.4. If they are then there are dozens of guild banks with 100s of Void Crystals in they'd be happy to sell at 45g I am sure. Disposing of any LPS stock now seems wise as is grabbing any remaining cheap Voids.

The other major addition is a lot of new crafts using Hardened Khorium. With each bar requiring a stack of Adamantite Ore might we see a jump there? You can rarely buy a stack of Adamantite on my server for less than 30g so it's difficult to imagine it going much higher but it's possible.

 

Rhaeger

Your servers economy sounds really messed up. Citrines still go for 50-75s, Jades/Star Ruby's/Aquamarines go for 1-2g on my server and Large Opals and Azerothian Diamonds go for 4-7 gold. I've been able to level JC to ~200 for about 50g because I've been leveling mining and have the mats to get to 300 for about 150 more. If those are really the numbers for your server you should considerer prospecting the lower ore, it should be really good money.

 

Barraind

I dont know how often Adamantite actually sells at that price, once it gets above the traditional cutoff for the prospecting/cutting game, I never see it with bids, or drops in quantity from the same person throughout a day or two's time. Same thing with overpricing of Adamantite powder. Once it breaks ~8.5g/stack, it sits there until it expires, see also green DE fodder gems.


I've watched Noble Topaz and Living Ruby raise steadily, while Dawnstone and Star of Elune have about been cut in half price wise. For a while, I could pick up dawnstones for about 14 per, they're back to hovering in the 25-30 range for me) Nightseyes are staying pretty constant, Talasites have never been worth squat. (This is on two different servers, NT is higher on one than the other, but thats more or less the only difference).



As to shard/void speculation, I've seen about a 1g drop in bulk sales of Shards, and voids are all over the place still. The only real change is that you no longer curse when a neck DE turns into a void.




Back in my "I spend FAR too much time online phase", I -was- my EQ servers source of Human cultural gear, and as such, could push a lot of the economy around in some ways (I just sold the plat though, I needed to pay for school... but a couple months worth of shoving was pretty fun) [and while many will rmember that the armor itself was pretty bad for anyone, it yielded tremendous amounts of cash. Sale of 1 set could let me literally buy out half of the crafting materials in the bazaar at any given time, and I had more orders than I could even fill, due to the time required to do the hundreds of subcombines].

As I've said to people when talking about WoW, "Nobody expects the nice, friendly, personable guy who is always willing to answer questions to be the kingpin of the evil empire. That in itself is a huge advantage."

 

Xequecal

I've considered that, but Mithril Ore goes for like 20g a stack. No exaggeration at all, it's only slightly less than a stack of adamantite ore. Thorium Ore/Bars sell for more than adamantite, and it's hard to find on the AH because people buy all of them out even at that price. When I did JC I actually had to stop for like a day until someone put some more Thorium on the AH.

 

Edarran

It's also were a good AH alt comes in handy. =p

 

Bismar

I think we'll see another spike in LPS and other item modification materials(dust, essences, gems, especially diamonds) as there's a decent amount of gear that will be bought on day 1. It will be no "season 3 release day", but it will be decent.

I'd warn that a LOT of the new recipes require reputation with SSO (say the VC change) or Sunwell 25 drops (say, Hardened Khorium). So don't expect the mats for them to be very valuable immediately after the patch, or even for quite some time depending on how big your server is or the raid community.

I'm pretty curious what the results of Nethers no longer BoP will be. What do you think the price of an average Primal Nether or Nether Vortex will be? Will this cause an immediate rise in crafted epics, raising the price of Primals and Ores, or will it not be noticable?

Lastly, with Daily's raised to 25 a day, the gold supply may go up quite a bit, raising the price of all items.

 

MTW

Same with Barthilas. It's so bad I won't even bother levelling my Warriors blacksmithing past 260 or so because it's just going to cost too much. I was averaging around 40g spent per skillup past 260 iirc.

 

Maynard

I think it's probably going to be much larger than Season 3, actually. You have, so far:

- Vortex craftables open to the public.
- New badge gear.
- New PvP reputation gear.
- People with stocked PvP marks will get 31k honor on the first day.
- People with stocked tier tokens turning it in for PvP gear.

No question that enchanting materials and gems are going to be a safe bet. The public is quite savvy these days though so I'm buying now, as I expect the price to slowly rise before the patch and peak immediately after.

 

Brakar

Almost none of those happen right away though. A good portion of them have to be opened up over time, even if it is only a few days. That spreads it out and both lets people wait for a better deal and the market will adjust itself faster so you can't get the obscene gouging with something like s3 where it drops them into the economy at one time.

 

Kombinat

It's actually fairly reasonable alliance side. I farmed everything I'd need to get to 375 myself because I have nothing approaching a real life, but for the most part except for thorium, bar and ore prices are pretty good. So much so that I can turn a profit from prospecting mithril.

I've said before that I'm stockpiling enchanting mats and gems for 2.4. The tokens for PvP gear turn in is backing my decision. It'll take a while to get unlocked, but it'll lead to more gear in more people's hands, who need more enchants and more gems. Weekends are a boon, I'm seeing the casual players listing things below market. I hadn't seen a stack of adamantite ore for less than 30g all week, but this morning I got 3 for 25g per stack. Plus I was able to buy stacks of uncut golden draenites for ring -> Arcane dust production. My stockpile isn't where it could be, but I'm working towards it. I'm guessing the PTR has at least 4-6 weeks left, plenty of time for those of us with some knowledge to hedge out bets and build up piles of raw mats.

 

Olon97

In the general spirit of "people are too lazy to gather the mats themselves", I expect pre-fabricated vortex gear will command a decent premium.

Unlike leg patches for leatherworkers, however, there's a little more risk to your main's reputation as you can't just pass it off to your AH alt to list at some insane price without knowing there's a chance someone might feel robbed when they realize they could have gotten it for 1k less gold (or whatever the margin is) getting the mats themselves, and heckle you on your main about it.

Since I do care about my main's reputation, I'll probably wait a bit to see how the market for pre-made vortex belts works out, and then put some up at a "fair price" (relatively speaking) once supply and demand have settled on a price point. Someone less sensitive may see nice returns on investment from being the first pre-made belt suppliers as 2.4 hits.

 

savernon

There isn't anything saying you can't get them made on your AH alt. Assuming you were planning on buying the vortexes with your badges and then getting it made that is. Just mail the vortexes to your alt and the advertise in trade channel.

 

Vandermonde

I believe he's refering to the fact that unlike armor patches, the belts will have "made by <name>" tags on them no matter who you list them with.

 

savernon

I haven't made any leg kits in a while, but I know with meta gems, it says <Create by X> on them. But he specifically referred to losing face on his main, so as long as you go with alts, he should be fine. It just may take a bit more effort to get someone to craft it for a lvl 1 bank alt, so they don't get burned in this fashion.

 

Angeron

"Gouging" people using the belt trick shouldn't be an issue as long as you just say you bought it from your main. Lying may not be ethical in every situation, but in this one it protects your mains reputation, lets people know your main CAN craft the item, and shifts any blame for overcharging to the bank alt, who you can just delete after xferring all the items to a new bank alt.

I'm going to be really frank, if you're worried about hurting your main's reputation, or the reputation of a supplier who crafts items (and thus they bear his/her mark), you are doing something wrong. Salesmen alts should be rolled under every month or two to avoid "habits" being linked between your main and your alts. Somebody figuring out who you are because they notice your alt logs in 12 seconds after you log out and vice versa for 2 months is a goddamned STUPID thing to happen. It will fuck you in the long run, so just make sure you have some alt turnover. Make new alts, delete old ones, this is easy and safe. Reintroducing yourself to trusted suppliers should be easy: just tell them you heard from a trusted source that they're the person to talk to, then take the opportunity to try and get better prices, etc.

Use of alts or "shell companies" is pretty useful for PR reasons in the real world, no surprise that it's equally useful here.

Though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable; I simply am not there.

 

Cthalupa

All of that sounds like a whole lot of effort to worry about someone feeling cheated.

If they bought it, they were willing to pay the price that it was listed for. Whether or not they could have gone with an alternative way and gotten it much cheaper really makes little difference. If someone wanted to complain about buying something I listed, I would tell them concisely that I set my price, and they paid it. If they felt that price was unfair, they should have done more research beforehand, or not bought it in the first place.

 

xiaoxin21

There isn't really any need to use much thorium to level on JC at all, A stack or 2 is all you need. Truesilver is quite cheap on my server, about 8-10g a stack or less.

Truesilver Healing Ring - Items - World of Warcraft is a godsend for leveling JC, Used it till 280+++(some points into green till the AH ran out of mats). I actually made a profit leveling JC from 240 to 280 largely due to the fact that heart of the wild goes for <2g a stack on my server and greater nether essence like 10g+++ per.

After that I used the stack of thorium setting I got lvling to 240 to get to 300. Onslaught Ring - Items - World of Warcraft is good for that if you kept mojo or farm some time in EPL. Find prospecting useless until you can prospect feliron or admantite

 

tdizz