I have noticed some things (usually the ones with cheap listing prices) that get listed at significantly higher than market value just to attempt to swing market scans. [...] I was wondering if people had experience with this in terms of thoughts about it and profitability if people did do such things.
It certainly can systematically affect the statistics of many/most Auctioneer users, especially since most of the statistics either have a 100-item sample size or rely on EMAs.
Having said that, it's still in my long-term plan to write a stat module which will share actual, confirmed sales prices amongst Auctioneer users. At first it will undoubtedly be guild sharing only, but if we can get an ignore system in place I personally would like to expand it faction-wide. Such a stat would be theoretically immune to any such data poisoning attempts.
It wouldn't be completly immune since you could just modify the code (for example adding a 1.1 multiplier to the confirmed buy price would slowly increase the value of a given item). Sometimes you might be able to double check auctions if buyer and seller both have it installed, but in genereal this will not be the case.
An ignore function is also only partially effective because you could easily switch AH alts and it is hard to identify such manipulations in the first place.
In my opinion only Blizzard could provide the necessary information without the possibilty to alter the data.
Keep in mind that there's no deposit for enchanting materials. I chuckle at the folks who undercut all the enchanting mats by a lot, because I can post things for 10-15% above whatever they post at, with the longest time period, and if they don't sell, just put them back up. Yes, it's more work, and annoying that I've got to move things over and over again, but I'd rather get 26-28g for an LPS after a few days instead of 22-23g for one now.
Long listings are often not paying out here as there are quite a lot of LPS players on the market who underprice by 1 copper if needed. In fact, they dont even need to undercut your buyout price as long as their bid price is lower than yours. If you dont have a lot of time to play the AH then 48 hour auctions might work for you though.
Apart from a few mentions of fairly high level stuff that a lot of people aren't able to even attempt, there hasn't been much mention of farming instances for money in this thread. Has anyone got any experience of running instances with a far smaller group than normal (eg, soloing or duoing 5-mans, or 25-mans with a 5-man party) for money, with gear that's possible to obtain without having been in a raiding guild or pvping for half your life? I'm specifically thinking of TBC instances here, but if any interesting tricks with lower level instances would be good to know also.
I've recently soloed various level 60 Azeroth dungeons (retribution paladin, T5/early T6/S3 gear) - Scholo, Strat, BRD, LBRS. While not necessarily very fast (takes 1-2 hours to clear bosses in a dungeon, depending on the size of it, though you can dodge a lot of trash if you want), it's very nice gold. I get oodles of runecloth which sells for more than netherweave, plus LBS, illusion dust, and GEE, which are also very good sellers (10g per LBS, 2g50s per dust, 6g or so per essence).
I've recently soloed various level 60 Azeroth dungeons (retribution paladin, T5/early T6/S3 gear) - Scholo, Strat, BRD, LBRS. While not necessarily very fast (takes 1-2 hours to clear bosses in a dungeon, depending on the size of it, though you can dodge a lot of trash if you want), it's very nice gold. I get oodles of runecloth which sells for more than netherweave, plus LBS, illusion dust, and GEE, which are also very good sellers (10g per LBS, 2g50s per dust, 6g or so per essence).
How much do you think you make from a couple of hours spent there?
My personal favourite is grinding on sunfury mobs near one of the manaforges in Netherstorm - in an hour I can usually get ~8 stacks of netherweave, ~5 Arcane Tomes, ~60 Sunfury Signets, a couple of greens, and the cash drops from the mobs (which I think totals to about ~15g at the end of an hour). Overall, somewhere between 120-150g per hour depending on how lucky I am with Tomes.
I've recently soloed various level 60 Azeroth dungeons (retribution paladin, T5/early T6/S3 gear) - Scholo, Strat, BRD, LBRS. While not necessarily very fast (takes 1-2 hours to clear bosses in a dungeon, depending on the size of it, though you can dodge a lot of trash if you want), it's very nice gold. I get oodles of runecloth which sells for more than netherweave, plus LBS, illusion dust, and GEE, which are also very good sellers (10g per LBS, 2g50s per dust, 6g or so per essence).
Would you reckon an Arms warrior could Solo Stratholme (UD & Living), mostly T6 gear with some pieces of T5?
There's a lack of pre TBC enchanting mats on my server, I've done it several times as prot, but as prot I don't have the dps to solo Baron, if I could solo it I could jump in nicely on that gap of enchanting mats and make quite a nice amount of profit.
Would you reckon an Arms warrior could Solo Stratholme (UD & Living), mostly T6 gear with some pieces of T5?
There's a lack of pre TBC enchanting mats on my server, I've done it several times as prot, but as prot I don't have the dps to solo Baron, if I could solo it I could jump in nicely on that gap of enchanting mats and make quite a nice amount of profit.
The bosses should net be a problem, but i'd strongly recommend you take some [Jungle Remedy] or, even better, [Purification Potion] with you, as some of the mobs will give you a disease that reduces your OOC-Hitpointregen to 0 and deals periodic damage, thus making bandages hard to use.
Purification Poition would be better because of it's higher level (Jungle Remedy tends to get a lot of Resists).
You should be fine at 70 with mediocre gear as long as you take it easy and see how much you can pull in one go. Also on the runecloth topic you should not sell it as is, make runecloth belts and DE those for more dusts/GEE unless runecloth goes for insane amounts this usually nets more gold per cloth than selling it raw.
Would you reckon an Arms warrior could Solo Stratholme (UD & Living), mostly T6 gear with some pieces of T5?
It depends, I guess. Even some trash can destroy me if too much of it is pulled at once (they still hit for a couple of hundred each on plate). I certainly needed to heal and bubble occasionally. On living side, Timmy the Cruel hits extremely hard but other bosses should not be too difficult, though for Balnazzar I had to use shadow resist aura, otherwise his mind blasts got through too often. The bigger problem on living side are the fleeing human mobs which can easily pull more than you can deal with. On undead side, Barthilas also hits for quite a lot (and gains a stacking damage buff a la Gruul), you'll need very good dps to kill him before he kills you. The other undead bosses were easy, though I have not done Ramstein/Baron solo yet so no idea how hard they are.
I have been trying to make some money out of this aswell. Unfortunately the numbers on my server are not as great as the one you posted. About 5/6 g for lbs, 15 for GEE and 2g for illusion dust. So profit is largely based on the amount of greens you get. So far I have done lbrs/strat both sides. Done it both with full s3 as either 17/44 and pom pom pyro spec currently. Bosses are somewhat rough sometimes without tier 4 as frost but its all perfectly doable. Dont think its any better money then say grinding manaforges, but atleast its more enjoyable.
Do you get fat sums of cash if you run through scholo/strat without being an enchanter still?
I wouldn't count on "Fat Sums of cash", depending on the lvl 19 twink activity you can make some nice gold out of the Rigtheous orbs from living side.
I did this when I was protspecced for a while when the BT Belf tier was overfarmed (slow grinding, but mass pulling prot war isn't competition for S2/3 SoCing warlocks).
This depends mostly on how much demand there is on your server for Rigtheous Orbs, Runecloth and other BoE items.
The gold income from selling everything you get is marginal, you'd get more out of just grinding Legion Hold/BE Tier @ BT.
Would you reckon an Arms warrior could Solo Stratholme (UD & Living), mostly T6 gear with some pieces of T5?
I solo'd Strath Live with pretty much the gear you see on me now, along some blue tank gear for +def, specced 35/5/21. Balnazzer can be killed without a Shadow Protection Pot, but it is cheap insurance as the run back really sucks for solos by that point.
Timmy can also be killed. Not too difficult, but I would not wear glass cannon gear. The human trash is doable to the point that you shouldn't die. Kill battlemages on the pull because it is really not worth the risk of not resisting them, which will happen at some point and it will hurt.
The bad part is the undead trash, in particular the skeleton packs. You will get those crap diseases on you, and they will stop you from going further. My solution after discovering that Jungle Remedy rarely worked, was to strip, suicide, and run back. Since you shouldn't die once you are in the Scarlet territory, this is effective for advancing through the trash.
On the Dead side, I haven't attempted to clear the Abomination gauntlet yet, but I've killed everything up to it.
Do you get fat sums of cash if you run through scholo/strat without being an enchanter still?
You could farm the first few rooms of Scholo for the Lifestealing enchant. I had it drop three times on one run, quick 100g per sale. I just put them up on AH using 3 characters with slightly differing prices and all three went.
I want to thank everyone for contributing to this thread, it's been a great help in getting me on the way to two epic fliers, and now to my point.
My current dilemma, is I've hit a saturation point in the few markets I'm currently in. While looking to diversify, I have noticed Fel Iron seems to be dirt cheap on my server, but have not seen much discussion in this thread outside of the JC realm.
Stacks of ore rarely break 6g, and stacks of bars can be found for 10g. Since I am a miner/BS without a JC (still leveling her up), I've been trying to find some profitable Fel Iron blacksmithing recipes to capitalize on this drop in ore prices, as well as a stockpile I can't seem to unload. This can include things to DE (Server average is 1.5 per arcane dust, 26-30g for large prismatics right now), or even craft and vendor for a profit. Has anyone had any luck outside of JC making Fel Iron profitable? Does it absolutely require eternium or felsteel to work? I'm at work and unable to get to the game sites to look up vendor prices on all of the recipes, and would appreciate any ideas anyone has.
If all else fails, I can sit on the ore I have, and continue to buy cheap while I work on my JC, though it is taking up a rather large bit of my bag space and I want to maximize my profit if possible.
You could buy/farm motes of fire and earth (I assume that, as a miner, you have easy access to this) and ask an engineer to craft you some stacks of [Elemental Seaforium Charge]. They are required for eng. flying mounts, and you need to be revered with the Consortium to get them, so lazy peoples usually buy them instead of farming their faction.
On my server, they sell regulary for about 35 to 45gp a stack of 4 (and let me tell you that this is a BIG profit margin). However, as I'm not an engineer myself, I "gave" this market to a friend who was and needed some money. Just remember to be smart and put them one stack of 4 at a time: this is quite an uncommon ressource, and putting more than one stack would get people to think that they are easy to get (and they are :p).
Just remember to be smart and put them one stack of 4 at a time: this is quite an uncommon ressource, and putting more than one stack would get people to think that they are easy to get (and they are :p).
Thank you very much for the tip, and I'll investigate this niche when I get home, but due to a low saturation level, I still run into the same dilemma. Fel Iron still seems to be an underutilized resource, so what other ideas might people possess?
I was able to sneak on at break and find Fel Iron Hatchets, which have a decent vendor price, seemingly over current ore buyouts as well as the ability to DE into LPE, but haven't had a chance to figure out a conversion ratio or break-even point on them. My stockpile of ore is in the hundreds due to me not being able to pass up any type of vein, with more able to be obtained, and I'd rather use a current resource than save for my JC if it's possible.
A side effect of this could also be to convert a lot of the existing Fel Iron on the market, and drive the price up again for just selling the ore to JC/BS/Eng needs, what do others think of the feasibility of this happening?
Thank you very much for the tip, and I'll investigate this niche when I get home, but due to a low saturation level, I still run into the same dilemma. Fel Iron still seems to be an underutilized resource, so what other ideas might people possess?
I was able to sneak on at break and find Fel Iron Hatchets, which have a decent vendor price, seemingly over current ore buyouts as well as the ability to DE into LPE, but haven't had a chance to figure out a conversion ratio or break-even point on them. My stockpile of ore is in the hundreds due to me not being able to pass up any type of vein, with more able to be obtained, and I'd rather use a current resource than save for my JC if it's possible.
A side effect of this could also be to convert a lot of the existing Fel Iron on the market, and drive the price up again for just selling the ore to JC/BS/Eng needs, what do others think of the feasibility of this happening?
Another possible method to create profit out of Fel Iron would be to craft
I've been making some pretty nice gold with Adamantite Ore. MoneyFu has me at about 1100g a week net gain from mining, dailies, and other sources (dungeons, raids, etc). I use Cartographer_Mining coupled with Cart_Data and have only Adamantite shown on map. When doing dailies, I start off in Shatt, check the Ogre area north for veins (always do this), then head for skettis following the north border of Terrokar for more veins. While doing the bombing quest in Skettis I also head towards potential veins. After I'm done, I return to shatt following the south border terrokar, down and around the circle area looking for more veins. Once in shatt, bank any eternium or primal earths I collected. By this time I could have at least a full stack of adamantite, which runs around 30g on my server.
On the way to BEM, I fly through the Ogre area again and then fly right down the middle of Zang for any of the underwater veins. Once in BEM, I fly from node to node checking, do the 4 dailies there and follow the same route back to shatt.
BEM Dailies tip: A full stack (250) of apexis shards can be converted to about 4g each. Go to the quartermaster, buy 5 crystal potions, then sell them back to him. Each potion takes about 32s with 50 shards. 5 potions sell back for about 5.75g.
Back to ores, I sell about 1-2 stacks at a time for somewhere around 30g each. Sometimes the only stacks available at the AH will be at something like 35g ea, I'd put mine up for 32. Putting up too many stacks tends to lower its value since no one really buys more than 2-3 stacks at a time unless they're working on a piece of gear and others will try to undercut you if your stacks are up for too long.
Eternium and the occasional Khorium can't be prospected so they're only really valuable in bar form. I smelt these and sell them for whatever their current value is on the AH. I don't anticipate them to sell as quickly as Adamantite so I put no more than maybe 10 bars at a time per auction.
Sometimes you'll get lucky and pick up blue quality gems from the veins. Unless you need them put them on the AH as well. One day I got lucky and picked up 2 Living rubies. Put both up for around 65g and they were picked up immediately. Nice little boost there.
If I'm really bored, I'll do a circuit similar to my dailies and also include netherstorm. Stop at Area 52, bank some stuff, then go back to shatt.
I also use a mod called AutoProfit which automatically vendors all greys, so I generally pick up everything, particularly when doing BEM dailies.
It's also good to anticipate trends. With new patterns coming out in Sunwell expect certain mats to go up in value again. In my case, I'm a tailor so I've been making all the spellcloth I can. After I craft my own pieces of sunfire, any excess will go straight to the cloth-hungry AH.
It's also good to anticipate trends. With new patterns coming out in Sunwell expect certain mats to go up in value again. In my case, I'm a tailor so I've been making all the spellcloth I can. After I craft my own pieces of sunfire, any excess will go straight to the cloth-hungry AH.
In light of this statement, I'd start hoarding that Khorium you dispose of so readily. I've been slowly buying up all the cheap stuff since the 2.4 blacksmithing BOE and BOP items require that new Hardened Khorium. The prices are low now because there's not that many patterns that need khorium, and those that do aren't really in high demand. Having a bunch of it needed on best-in-slot gear is going to raise the price.
There's not some hidden "but he tries really hard" variable built into the game. -Slake
I always love the "it doesn't fit my style of play" line. There are only two styles of play; Correct, and Incorrect. The only people that ever use this line are people with the incorrect style of play. -Sebudai
BEM Dailies tip: A full stack (250) of apexis shards can be converted to about 4g each. Go to the quartermaster, buy 5 crystal potions, then sell them back to him. Each potion takes about 32s with 50 shards. 5 potions sell back for about 5.75g.
Just a note the small healing potions only cost 2 shards and vendor for 4.6 silver (2.3 silver per shard). The big ones vendor for around 1.15g each but "cost" 32 silver + 50*2.3 = 1.47g. You make more money buying and vendoring the little ones than the big ones.
Just a note the small healing potions only cost 2 shards and vendor for 4.6 silver (2.3 silver per shard). The big ones vendor for around 1.15g each but "cost" 32 silver + 50*2.3 = 1.47g. You make more money buying and vendoring the little ones than the big ones.
I see. I actually stumbled upon the crystal potion thing by accident when I bought a stack too many of these things. I never bothered with the smaller potions since it seems like a lot more effort. I'll give it a shot tonight.
Also on the runecloth topic you should not sell it as is, make runecloth belts and DE those for more dusts/GEE unless runecloth goes for insane amounts this usually nets more gold per cloth than selling it raw.
Rune cloth belts d/e to dream dust/lesser eternal/small brilliants. Is this a profitable way to dump runecloth? Is there a reasonable recepie that will get you to the Illusion/greater/LBS tier? Everything I see has annoying mats other then runecloth that would suck the fun out of it.
Just a note the small healing potions only cost 2 shards and vendor for 4.6 silver (2.3 silver per shard). The big ones vendor for around 1.15g each but "cost" 32 silver + 50*2.3 = 1.47g. You make more money buying and vendoring the little ones than the big ones.
This price is actually normalized among all Orgrila items.
1 crystal = 80silver 50copper
1 shard = 2silver 30copper
a few examples:
tabard - 10 shards - 23 silver
flasks - 10 shards - 23 silver
revered items - 1 crystal 50 shards - 1,95,50g
exalted items - 4 crysta 100 shards - 5,52g
If you have large quantities of shards to burn the forges where you get the flasks are faster since you turn 50 shards into a stack of inventory space (potions are 10 shards per stack so with 1000 shards it will take quite a while buying and selling to the NPC).
02/20/08, 5:53 PM
Similar Threads
