First of all, thank you to everyone who has posted so much useful information on this thread; "we're not worthy."
A few pages ago, there was some discussion of profitting from PTCs, one disadvantage being the 3 month cooldown. Does today's change to a one month cooldown alter that discussion? Thank you in advance for your thoughtful, intelligent replies!

Well it will at least increase the frequency you can profit from it.

But to all who plan to make use of it I have a few comments:
1. You are basically paying real money to increase your WoW wealth. While I acknowledge that this is legal and somewhat clever (as opposed to buying gold which is illegal and dumb) you should still consider if it is really worth it. Cross-faction AH trading might lead to similar profits without having to invest any additional real money.

2. Along the way it will become increasingly harder to transfer all your wealth from one server to another. You can only have a fixed amount of gold (5000/10000?) and all excess wealth must be in items (264 stacks max). So you should eventually return to your "home" server from time to time.

3. It might be obvious, but don't transfer with your main except if you intend to stay on the new server. Load lots of items on a level 70 twink (for the max gold limit), give him 50g (to pay for deposits) and transfer.


I still prefer using in game money and activities to increase my virtual wealth, but I guess it is just a matter of taste.

I've been selling Greater Eternal Essence for some very nice money lately - 13g each or even more. So it's definitely nice to "farm" those pre-TBC greens from 60 instances for disenchanting.

Yes, this is a nice way to change up the pace of things. Unfortunately the 100% drops from bosses yield large brilliant shards, which at least on Mannoroth, have stayed at a fairly consistent 5-7 gold per, while the illusion dust and GEE sell for significantly more. The hard part about farming dust/essence though, is its just a random drop off anyone, so if you miss a corpse, that could have been the one corpse with a green that breaks down into 2 GEEs.

A nice side benefit from farming the old world instances is the cloth, since anyone leveling a tailor needs retarded amounts mageweave and runecloth, they can sell fairly well, and quickly. I usually only put a couple stacks of cloth up, and when I see one person buy them out at the same time, I will try and whisper them and see if they need more cloth, and sell them mine in bulk, to save on the AH cut / people undercutting / lost deposit.

While farming scholomance for large shards (they go for 7-8g on my server) i manage to get a lot of runecloth as well.
The runecloth, in combination with Essence of Fire (30-40s on my server) or Essence of Water can be turned into [Frostweave Pants] and [Cindercloth Pants].

These have a disenchanting estimate of :
* Illusion Dust - 113.1%
* Greater Eternal Essence - 34.3%
* Large Brilliant Shard - 4.7%

Depending on your server's economy for the essences, or GEE, you might want to consider making those tailor legs as well.
The cloth is easy to get after all, but this is a byproduct, so i'm sure there are other items which would have a higher yield on eternals.

As many have said, this thread has been a great source of information and has helped me to refine my techniques for making gold. In that spirit, here is my current method for accumulating wealth:

Main: Leatherworker/Herbalist
Alt: Engineer/Miner

On my realm, herbs/pots really aren't that great of a source of income. I use my main to farm only the herbs I need for raiding consumables. I run Kara and ZA every cooldown for badges (netting 50 or so a week). These badges fuel my main source of income: primal nethers for Nethercobra armor kits.

I spend the majority of my farming time on my alt flying around Nagrand gathering adamantite ore and primal air. The ore either gets prospected for blue gems by a guildie or sold as is depending on the market. The primal air fuels the Nethercobra factory.

The leather/scales for the kits are bought from the AH. On my realm, its usually just easier to buy them, hence my main not being a skinner. I spend about 90g on leather per kit and sell the kits for 450g. It takes about an hour of mining/cloud farming on my alt to craft one kit. This yields about 500g/hour depending on prospecting luck.

This post leads me to something thats been mentioned, although spareingly, in this thread:

If you have some steady buyers (and in this case you probably do) find out who they are and get in contact with them, ask them if they want you to CoD them the ammo to save them time so they dont have to camp the AH. That way you can both move more (sell enough to fill the quiver, otherwise he just buys however many stacks he is missing) and avoid AH cuts.

This works well for both selling finished products (although only on products that are mass used) and for buying raw materials. Find a lowball seller of adamantite and try to pocket him, keeps him from having to go down to Ogri/IF and keeps you stocked with cheep ores.

edit Anyone have any decent way to farm nexus crystals? The 20 school damage enchants seem to be wanted for some twinks, and having them gets a nice premium.

it has been said before but cogspinner goggles are a great blue for disenchanting

some random enchants maybe sell for decent prices

Heh. This thread should be illegal -_-

I should clearify, but I've noticed once something is commented on this thread, within 2-3 days there is a ripple effect and the prices drop of the finished item drops (do to flooding or undercutting) while prices of the unprocessed material seems to rise.

At first I thought it was purely coincidental, but I've counted 4-5 examples already. Most recently, [Earthstorm Diamond] went from selling at 40-50g to being sold at 80-90g uncut. At the sametime [Powerful Earthstorm Diamond] dropped from 130-140g to being sold at 80-90g.

Is this happening elsewhere? It's happened less drastically on Arygos (about a 20g drop on both uncut/cut prices of earthstorms) and for the life of me, I can't figure out why. Just an reaction from more JCs and Alchemists entering the market or is this part of a greater trend?

Here's something that's been bothering me lately, and as far as I can remember I don't think I've seen it addressed here so far.

I have a JC alt. For the past while I've been dusting large amounts of Adamantite and selling off the gems. However, as of late two new JCs have popped up on Anetheron with no sense at all when it comes to properly undercutting the competition. The first, and by far the worst, undercuts gems (including Dawnstones and Talasites!) by 10-15 gold on a quite regular basis, and the second by a smaller, but still noticeably large amount.

Now, I realize that the obvious solution is to buy their gems and relist them, which I do when I can. However, the problem that's arising is that with the volume of gems these two sellers are listing, it's just not possible to buy up and resell all the gems being listed, leading to steadily decreasing gem prices on the server.

To get straight down to it, my question is, how do you deal with large volume sellers with no grasp on how to efficiently use the AH?

I think you are missing my point. I am seeing a very specific correlation with -this- thread and items in the Dragonblight AH, in regards to speculators. [Earthstorm Diamond] prices went up because of speculators.

Try and contact them and talk some sense into them...not much else you can do if you cant afford to keep buying them out.

Man, I finally discovered a great money making technique due to everyone whining about the availability of mana pots. I made my druid an alchemist; powerlevelled her to 300 alchemy, and with 20g investment I've made about 200g so far. I make ~1g a potion (1g worth of investment, and I make a little over 10g per stack of 5.) and then make 2g a profit per freebie; listing them at 9.50g a stack has caused every one of them I've had to sell. I don't know if this will hold out for any period of time though.

Unfortuntely, I tried the gem thing, and like you, I found there were just too many people who would throw money out the window to sell gems in the AH and I couldn't make a profit at all. My advice is to let the two individuals in question tank the market then reenter it after they leave and the prices rise again. If you've got a large sum of money to throw at the situation, you could undercut them at a short term loss, but a long term gain.

on my server herbs aren't cheap, for 9,5gold per stack of potions you're actually losing 4 gold and there's a crapload of alchemy powerlevelers out there

lucky you until it lasts but powerleveling alchemy is really a breeze so if some people on your server start to catch up with the potion trick your business plan is screwed

At the moment I think I've got more than 400 Felweed lying around. Is there something for which they can be used in order to make Gold?

I mean they are nearly unsellable on the AH; most times I can't even give them away to guildies because nobody wants them/can use them for something (i.e. they may well be able to use them, but need other stuff too which is the bigger problem).

I think everyone just picks them up in the hope there's a Fel Lotus in there, but usually it isn't

Is there anything I'm overlooking about this stuff? Even assuming a Pot/elixir specced Alchimist and buying vials at an exalted price, I can't see any recipe making a reliable profit.

well yes, but this doesn't actually solve the problem. Because for [Recipe: Super Mana Potion], you also need 2 Dreaming Glory, which are considerably "more expensive" than the Felweed.

I.e. while I have about 400 Felweed, I only have about ~150 Dreaming Glory lying around. So even if I do this and could really sell the Super Mana Pots at/above price, I'll still have >300 Felweed left.
Same for Super Healing Pots, but these use even more expensive material while AFAIK not selling as good as the Super Mana Potions (i.e. raiders don't use big amounts of Super Healing Potions).

And considering Felweed/Dreaming Glory drops are essentially random*, this would not really change. Farming Netherbloom is even worse as you only get it in Netherstorm.


* I don't think there's an area sporting Dreaming Glory but no Felweed except the Ogre Area right above Shattrath maybe).

Anyway, thanks for the answer, even if it's "probably not really".

I also make super mana pots as an outlet to my supplies of felweed. But I also turn the pots into injectors priors to selling them; I increase my profit margin by 10% after that step.

Dreaming glory and the vial are indeed the expensive parts of the super mana pot equation, but I find that by logging in before work for 10 minutes I can find great deals on the dreaming glory (and other reagents) and if done in quantity super mana pots and injectors can be highly profitable. Especially with a potion master!

u tried turning them into Adepts Elixers, one of the best caster dps Elixers, Dreamfoil isnt excatly dear atm at least on azsune.

also from what i gather from the Mage threads here, the possiblity is going to be with the buff to spirt next patch the best dps combo u can go for is Adepts + Wisdom, both use Felweed, I Personaly use both these on any farm content + flask only for those long wipe nights,

Something worth looking at also is the mats for Flask of Distilled Wisdom, allow all old WoW mats, it should see an upturn in retail value again due to the Spirt buff (i.e effected by Int)

On the melee side, there's Elixirs of Major Agility, which most feral druids, rogues, hunters and enhancement shamans will use.

There's also the option of [Elixir of Major Strength], which are required for some reasonably good Blacksmith levelling items and of course Executioner.

While I haven't seen this mentioned, I saw on mmo-champion, that they are reducing the cooldown timer of server transfers from 3 months to 1 month.

While it would cost a fair bit of real world cash to do this, it cuts down on the time and primary hesitation to move items between servers.