Regarding the belt business, I am wondering how big the potential customer base is. I would wager that the people spending money on this would be players in Kara/Gruul guilds looking to move into SSC, or in early SSC/TK without pattern drops in their guild. This is a much smaller group than, say, potential buyers for spellthreads. I've still decided to give it a try.
The belt is best in slot before Black Temple for a lot of classes and comparable for the rest. I have a lot of level 70 alts, and they are all getting at least one belt, so I'd say the market is pretty large. If you have a raiding character that has cleared black temple, odds are extremely high you have another level 70 that you don't take to Black Temple or Hyjal raids.
Regarding the belt business, I am wondering how big the potential customer base is. I would wager that the people spending money on this would be players in Kara/Gruul guilds looking to move into SSC, or in early SSC/TK without pattern drops in their guild. This is a much smaller group than, say, potential buyers for spellthreads. I've still decided to give it a try.
As for primal nethers, I tend to agree that these have been significantly undervalued. Their badge cost is high, and the only other viable source are final bosses in heroic dungeons. Nethers for 20g weren't available on my server (young, low population), but even 40g nethers should be a bargain in the longer run.
In addition to having alts to spoil, some guilds are just unlucky with drops. Since we started SSC and TK, we have not seen a single belt pattern drop, and only two boot pattern drops, yet we have stacks of vortexes. I think every caster in my guild now has, or is in the process of getting the belt of blasting made, because we don't feel like waiting on a stupid pattern to drop.
After doing the dailies for a couple days, I can't help but feel like inflation is going to hit pretty hard. Granted, I've done a lot of dailies (between 10 and 15 a day) but I've made around 800g in less than a week - and this is just from playing before work and in the evening a little.
I think the dailies take a little longer than may be worth it, financially.
New Bombing daily - 9min (2 runs) for 10g
demon killing daily - ~4min for 10g
First two dailies - 12min (lots of competition) for 20g
so that's 40g in ~25minutes. (80g / hr)
Blades Edge dailies -10min for 20g
(120g / hr)
The thing is.... there is a lot of 'dead time' traveling from the Isle of QD to shatt, to Nagraand, to Hellfire Pen, to BEM.
My raider is going to do them for the exalted necklace.
My JC alt will do it for Revered designs.
My enchanter alt will do them for friendly VC blow ups to help guild.
Other than that... these don't seem to be that great; rather than a nice change of pace. My guess is the later phases dailies will make Isle of QD better for dailies on a gold / hr basis.
There certainly appears to be increased gold supply! Usually weekend AH prices get depressed on Burning Blade but this weekend prices were ridiculously high on ore and cut blue gems. Primals fires were 20-24g, adamantite ore was regularily priced at 30g, fel iron rarely dipped below 15g a stack all weekend, Vortexes seem to have stabilized at 200g but Nethers varied wildly with individuals selling at 50-100g on the AH. Luck had me buying 6 for 100g via SW general chat and those were all flipped via [Unyielding Girdle] and [Golden Spellthread]. I saw a [Red Belt of Battle] advertised in trade for 750g and it was immediately sold because the seller begged to be let out of the storm of tells he was getting.
I seem to be able to sell a lot of uncommon 'orange' gems these days. Veiled Flame Spessarites are selling for 5-7g!
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The QD quests depend heavily on competition and whether you are on a PvP server. Good luck doing the robots or wretched quests at peak times on Archimonde, for example. I think the skeletons I flew over on my return flight from the bombing run numbered in the thousands. It was worse than old BRM on raid night. You'll be killed to eliminate competition, and with no diminishing returns, you'll be killed just for the honor of it.
The demon kill quest is generally pretty fast and subject to less warfare for whatever reason.
The bombing quest is subject to both competition and griefing. If you do it off peak - or time your takeoff - you can do it in one pass once you learn mob placements and timing. If a ton of people are trying to do it or you have [insert expletive here]s who like to throw bombs at everything when they don't need it, you could spend two flights trying to get that last Eredar alone.
If you suck at bombing, the quest is a huge waste of time in general. These aren't particularly easy bombing angles.
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Instant travel to and from QD can be done by starting in Shatt with hearth in Shatt, going to IF, warping to QD, and then hearthing back to Shatt. DO NOT fly out of QD normally back to Ironforge, or you'll be sorry.*
*Implement warp here, Blizzard. It works one way, it should work two ways.
You have highlighted the bad dailies there though. Things like Throne of K'J ones are decent as they take very little time, you still get cash drops, and the Shattered Sun Supplies you get often contain a weapon (+8g) or 3-5 Arcane Dust (forgetting the potential for a Badge) as well. I can do those two in 10 minutes or less, and you get about 30-35g for doing so (~200g per hour).
My typical run right now is Oshu-Gun, then Clefthoof for skinning Daily, BEM Bombing, Bashir's Landing daily, Sunfury Plans (fitting in cooking quest wherever that may be), 2 Throne of KJ quests, back to Shatt then to Quel'Danas for the four quests there.
This takes about an hour, and nets around 130g in cash once greys have been sold. There's also maybe an Arcane Tome, some Netherweave, Thick Clefthoof Leather, various Greens for DEing, motes of mana, Fish for raiding, etc, etc. Once you add up all the extras it's usually around 200g per hour. Sometimes you get a Badge of Justice too (today I got two) as well as 2k SSO rep per day which is meaningful to a lot of people.
It might not be the absolute best gold-per-hour, but it's way more interesting than an hour's farming for me.
I think the dailies take a little longer than may be worth it, financially.
New Bombing daily - 9min (2 runs) for 10g
demon killing daily - ~4min for 10g
First two dailies - 12min (lots of competition) for 20g
so that's 40g in ~25minutes. (80g / hr)
Blades Edge dailies -10min for 20g
(120g / hr)
The thing is.... there is a lot of 'dead time' traveling from the Isle of QD to shatt, to Nagraand, to Hellfire Pen, to BEM.
My raider is going to do them for the exalted necklace.
My JC alt will do it for Revered designs.
My enchanter alt will do them for friendly VC blow ups to help guild.
Other than that... these don't seem to be that great; rather than a nice change of pace. My guess is the later phases dailies will make Isle of QD better for dailies on a gold / hr basis.
You also have the rep gain, the fact that the reward can be greens, BoJ and that in the near future you will unlock the portal to QD and back to Shatt. By the end of all this you are looking at 8-10 dailies on QD itself with a portal to and back from Shat.
My enchanter alt will do them for friendly VC blow ups to help guild.
Quick note, the void shatter formula is honored, not friendly. On another note, is the unyielding girdle still a good seller? I got the pattern a long time ago when I was grinding for the spellpower to bracers enchant, sent it to my bank alt, and promptly forgot about it. After doing some re-org a few days ago, I realized I still have it sitting there, and now that I have a 375 tailor I can't decide wether it would be worth it to sell the pattern or learn it and sell the belts. Thanks for any input.
It might not be the absolute best gold-per-hour, but it's way more interesting than an hour's farming for me.
I think thats' the crux of making good gold in the end. If you enjoy doing whatever you are doing to make that gold, it will always last longer and be more effective for you than doing farming/ah playing and not enjoying your time doing it.
Something I've noticed on Destromath is that Voids are dropping back to pre 2.4 prices (around 18-22g) while Large Prismatics are up (~30-34g) over their normal prices (22-26g). Kind of odd, but hopefully it continues, I just keep buying voids and selling large pris as I get them.
I really like the primal nether idea and think I'll invest a couple thousand into it and hopefully see a nice return.
The belt is best in slot before Black Temple for a lot of classes and comparable for the rest. I have a lot of level 70 alts, and they are all getting at least one belt, so I'd say the market is pretty large. If you have a raiding character that has cleared black temple, odds are extremely high you have another level 70 that you don't take to Black Temple or Hyjal raids.
True. But how many of those people don't have access to someone in their guild, or a friend, crafting the belts for free if they supply the materials? Also, as the belts are rather pricey, more people will try to get a bargain, I think. After posting one on the AH, I've already had a request from someone who wants one crafted from their mats. I guess making one and auctioning it makes sense in any case, as it can also serve as a quasi-permanent advertisment of your services.
Honestly, I was surprised as heck to sell the first Girdle as quickly as I did (in its first 12 hr AH cycle). I suspect that it's being viewed as ghetto-pvp gear for well funded alts. Two of the Girdles I sold also came with a request for the [Unyielding Bracers] which I duly and happily honoured. The Unyielding set gets you some decent resiliance and +dmg if you are a new 70. Ymmv of course.
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. - Dwight Eisenhower
My typical run right now is Oshu-Gun, then Clefthoof for skinning Daily, BEM Bombing, Bashir's Landing daily, Sunfury Plans (fitting in cooking quest wherever that may be), 2 Throne of KJ quests, back to Shatt then to Quel'Danas for the four quests there.
This takes about an hour, and nets around 130g in cash once greys have been sold. There's also maybe an Arcane Tome, some Netherweave, Thick Clefthoof Leather, various Greens for DEing, motes of mana, Fish for raiding, etc, etc. Once you add up all the extras it's usually around 200g per hour. Sometimes you get a Badge of Justice too (today I got two) as well as 2k SSO rep per day which is meaningful to a lot of people.
I basically do this, but I add in Relic's Emanation (Simon) and Aether Rays. Go to the part of Blade's Edge with Bash'ir Landing, and clear the Simon machine there. Those are guarded by 6 Ethereals, and I usually get the phase device from that. Grab your five rays, then go back over the Bash'ir and get the mana cells. At least as far as I've seen, very few people do those two dailies in that part of BEM, so you have the added benefit of almost never being ganked at the Simon machine or while you are blinded by all your rays flying around.
If you are really grinding out dailies, fly down from HFP to Shadowmoon, do Netherwing (I do cargo, dragons, and booterang), then fly over Skettis and do that bombing run. You get a nice loop of all of Outland, and if you are gathering, should hopefully find enough nodes to complete Nether Residue.
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Consider that the void shatter recipe requires an eternium runed rod. It's only used for a few rare enchants, which most alts probably don't have, and so may not have made the rod at all yet. I'd assume this would hold true for a lot of enchanting mains as well. The rod takes about 500g of materials to make, so most enchanters would be looking at least several weeks of void shattering before they break even. I'm not sure if most people with alt enchanters are going to do this, so the relative prices of void crystals compared to shards may not change as much.
This is what I'd expect the general WoW public to do, not what I'd recommend to people. Considering that the eternium runed rod will probably be needed for enchanting in WotLK, and you can probably make up the material loss in transmutes fairly quickly, it's worth making the rod just for the void shatters.
RE: Bombing dailies. You can group up and share kills on the bombing run. I asked in general and got 3 quick responses then also invited the guy that took off right behind me. That made it an easy 1 trip bombing run.
So with the introduction of the epic JC patterns available through reputation i guess it's a good time to drop it on my main and to level it on an alt. I still make some gold off the rare gems now but not that much anymore as before and i guess it will only go down more as the epic gems become available. Anyone else got a thought on this?
So with the introduction of the epic JC patterns available through reputation i guess it's a good time to drop it on my main and to level it on an alt. I still make some gold off the rare gems now but not that much anymore as before and i guess it will only go down more as the epic gems become available. Anyone else got a thought on this?
Apologies for pointing out the painfully obvious, but keep in mind you're going to lose the JC-only gems (unless you manufacture enough for all your anticipated upgrades) and the JC-only trinkets.
I'm not so familiar on how often orange/green/purple gems are used at the high end, but you'll also need Exalted with SSO to get ALL the patterns, which is a significant time investment in and of itself.
Finally, IIRC, the patterns from Hyjal rep are much cheaper than their SSO counterparts, totaling above 1,000g for everything, although obviously you can reduce that by only getting the patterns you specifically need.
Like some of the others in this thread, I began accumulating stacks of green gems to make Brilliant Glass, only to be disappointed by the 23 hr cooldown. On a fluke, I decided to see if I could sell my surplus... wow! I'm selling blood garnets for 45g+ per stack. Ditto golden draenite. Other greens easily get 15-20g per stack, too. It's very surprising, but I'm enjoying it; I can't see keeping 30 stacks of each gem for 5+ months to make brilliant glass myself being economically wise (who knows where the gem market will be?) but right now I'm doing great tripling the money I invested originally in greens.
Also, voids are still hovering below 20g and LPSs are around 24-28g each. Amazing. Glad I levelled up my alt's enchanting and got the eternium rod... in less than a week I should be able to pay off that investment (not counting tips from enchantments).
I'm constantly amazed how unpredictable the WoW economy can be.
You're actually probably losing out, I'm moving uncommon cut gems for 8g at the moment, especially spell damage, healing and stam gems. Lots of new pvp gear out there, lots of sockets in MrT loot.
You're actually probably losing out, I'm moving uncommon cut gems for 8g at the moment, especially spell damage, healing and stam gems. Lots of new pvp gear out there, lots of sockets in MrT loot.
That's rather impressive and possibly uncommon. At a high, I was seeing cut uncommon gems around 5g a piece. The weekend frenzy has died back down a bit to around 2-3g a piece, depending on gem. Some are holding their value a bit higher, others have dropped quickly with undercutting.
On a side note, I seem to have an easier time selling Luminous Flame Spessarite than Purified Jaggal Pearls. Given the new popularity of spirit, I'm actually surprised. The pearls have usually been a good seller.
RE: Bombing dailies. You can group up and share kills on the bombing run. I asked in general and got 3 quick responses then also invited the guy that took off right behind me. That made it an easy 1 trip bombing run.
Another trick to doing this quest is if you set your bomb to a comfortable button ( I use 1) you can shoot out up to 3 bombs with one GCD if you spam your "1" key and spam click at the same time. This is how I complete the run solo in one run.
The new dailies actually give me less gold than doing what i was doing before, and the new dailies pay less gold than the existing ones as well.
That may be but the raising of the cap from 10 per day to 25 per day has... I'll just say it's had a positive net result on my total income. When I have the time to do them. (I've got four 70s. I can no longer hit the daily cap on all four of them every day.)
Dailys are terrible gold/hr over farming/ah'ing. Granted everything that people were farming pre-2.4, Blizzard decided to make drop like crazy from these new dailys, make these dailys happen in those areas....or just plain mess with the economy of high demand items.
2.4 has seriously messed up the economy that has been pretty much unchanged since BC was released.
Dailys are terrible gold/hr over farming/ah'ing. Granted everything that people were farming pre-2.4, Blizzard decided to make drop like crazy from these new dailys, make these dailys happen in those areas....or just plain mess with the economy of high demand items.
2.4 has seriously messed up the economy that has been pretty much unchanged since BC was released.
For everybody its not just plain tedious gold/hr, at times its gold/hr doing something that we might actually enjoy.
So for me, I enjoy doing the new dailies and playing the AH. I hate farming.
Dailys are terrible gold/hr over farming/ah'ing. Granted everything that people were farming pre-2.4, Blizzard decided to make drop like crazy from these new dailys, make these dailys happen in those areas....or just plain mess with the economy of high demand items.
2.4 has seriously messed up the economy that has been pretty much unchanged since BC was released.
While that may be true, the reality is that doing dailies remains the only way to get rep for some factions, and the best way to get rep for others.
My server is still in phase 2 and there are two mining nodes right by the wretched and sentinels.. they respawn every five minutes.. it roughly alternates between 2 adamantite nodes, 3 rich adamantite nodes and 1 khorium. I just leave an alt parked there and watch TV.
It's been paying off really well since I can do pvp on my other account while waiting.
03/31/08, 10:15 AM
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