Is there a LWing equivalent? I looked a little bit and all the LWing blues that I saw require primals of one sort or another.

Yeah the influx of greens and netherweave from the new zone pushed the Arcane dust price down to <1g and the netherweave price down quite alot on my server. Arcanoweave >> LPS was profitable for a few days but it's equalized again

I regularly check the cost of making the crafted stuff that de's into shards vs the cost of just selling the mats and they have never been profitable for long on Blackrock alliance. LPS price is so low now it's not even worth considering.

The only other items I've found reasonable for DEing into LPS are various engineering goggles (the ones that require 4 H.Knothide, 8 Arcane dust and 2 of some uncut green gem). These were doing pretty decently until the prices of the green gems shot up. Its pretty hard to make these profitable now unless you get lucky with a set of gems.

Obviously like you say, the important thing is not the terminology but simply being clear. That said, i love terminology. I think the best way to succinctly and accurately express things that get you a ton of gold per time invested but aren't sustainable or have cooldowns is something like "Doing this gets me x gold per hour with a capacity of y gold per day"

I have a question. I am currently trying to sell a Belt of Deep Shadow on AH. There is another seller who is severely undercutting me. The mats alone are worth 750-850g on my server and he's listing for 800g buyout. My cost price was around 650 since I farmed a portion of the mats. Crafted belts of this nature usually go for around 1250g and up.

What is the correct strategy here? I can tell he's trying to force me out. Should I undercut back? Should I buy him out and flip his belt for the correct price? Should I list at the normal rate and be satisfied that he's making a loss on his sale?

What you could do is buy his and relist it it at your price. 800g sounds very cheap, i'm pretty sure you should easily be able to get 1000g-1100g for it if similar vortex belts are beeing listed for 1250g. Considering this is a ver popular belt for both rogues and feral druids I'm pretty confident that you should be able to sell both at a reasonable price.

I understand this point well, which is why I am so reluctant to undercut back. I managed to sell mine on trade channel a few minutes ago, though, and I'm currently searching for a buyer so I can turn the villain's belt around for a tidy profit.

If someone is undercutting by such a huge margin, it won't take long before someone picks it up and resells it for a proper value. I'd just wait a day and put mine on or buy his out and put one up for a proper price. Never sell for less then the material costs (only exception I can think of is when you are levelling your profession). It doesn't matter if you have farmed some of the materials. If you can make more money by just selling the materials, then just sell those!

Just got to watch out with outbuying. Let's say he puts it up for 1000g which is still 250g beneath the market price. Buying it out at this rate is dangerous as he has just made 200g profit and can put up another one for the same price two minutes later since the mats can just be bought from the AH.

It's unlikely that he's trying to undercut you since there are more "customers" for that belt than there are "suppliers". How often is that belt listed on the AH?

It's more likely that he needs money fast. Put in a minimum bid and pick up the belt. Then re-list both and sell them.

(Oh. And list both belts on different alts. List one at 1500 and one for 2000 over the weekend. If this is truly a rare belt then somebody may pick up the "discounted" one.)

HOWEVER if the belt is a common item (usually always one on the AH) then this guy may specialize in that belt. It's not unusual for somebody to build a route for farming mats and become very efficient in doing so. Then they simply make sure that they always have one belt on the AH.

If this is the case then he'll just list another belt at the same low price. If you see something like this it may be a good idea to get out of the belt business.

On most servers you can buy cloth only for 3g a stack, sure you can get SOME cheaper, but if you are doing this on a large scale like you say so, then Im surprised by the people doing this, making bandages of this nets into 3g a stack.

This cuts down your profit as the 1800 netherweave cloth costs 270.
Aside this, you need make bolts of netherweave of it, then craft it into arcanoweave bracers, then disenchant it, in volumes like this it really starts counting ( hence I usually do it at work, check game 10 mins later and .. profit :p ), its 51 seconds per item worth of crafting. Doing this 50 times is about 45 mins ? Yes, time is money friend. Substract 100g from your profit as during the crafting time you *could* have been farming getting that, or more.

The LPS market , on my server at least and many more if I understand from the various posts here, is an extremely unstable one. One day you can sell them for 30g, the other day ( usually weekends ) they are hitting bottom around 20-22g. Maybe the demand is really large on your server, on mine it certainly isnt that I can sell 50 a day for 28g, there simply are too many players on it.

Your method works, until someone :

a ) sells in trade below your price
b ) puts them on ah with same buyout, but 1s lower bid, so his shards are higher on the list
c ) simply is ok with less profit than you are

I generally tend to have periods in which I farm LPS either through crafted items or dumping ogrila shards together with a healer and another dps or tank ( as warlock I can tank the elites there ) or just LPS I gathered from doing heroics on alt. Putting all your eggs in one market will make you more vulnerable to change.

Primal Water, Life, Shadow and Air have absolutely exploded on my server, always selling within 12hrs of being posted at crazy price. Water wasn't selling for 12g before the patch, now it's going for 30. Primal Mana and Fire will return unsold. What on earth are people crafting all of a sudden? Is it really just Thunder?

Primal Mights for Alchemy stones.

Also, people are getting tons of Fire and Mana from the new daily quests (I get about 8-9 motes of fire/mana per run through of the SSO dailies, and about 25 motes of earth from doing the mining quest for them).

There is a massive new influx of gear to the market (Blue PvP gear, crafted gear with the changes to Nether/Vortex mechanics, soon to be badge gear on some servers, increases in 25-man Tier drops, etc) in 2.4. This leads to increased demand for all Primals for enchants/spellthreads/etc.

However, two of the new dailies involve killing mobs with high Mote of Fire drops in Hellfire for the 'Blast the Gateway', and killing mobs with high Mote of Mana drops for the 'Mana Cells' daily, expanding the supply market of those items while leaving the supply of the other Primals stable. Anecdotally, I generally get about a Primal Mana and a Primal Fire a day doing these two dailies on two characters.

Also, don't forget the massive influx of gold that is providing at least temporary price spikes as everyone does a greater-than-average number of dailies both because they are new, and because they have a meta-goal of new phases for the island.

Therefore what's probably happening is the demand and supply are both shifting out in the Fire and Mana markets, keeping the price same or dropping it, while the others are simply seeing the Demand shift out for higher prices.

Would you mind posting your bid/buy macro? And is it dependent on using auctioneer or some other AH mod?

Doesn't look like anyone else is doing this on my server and my daily routine is to get up, fire up wow, then eat breakfast etc. So I certainly wouldn't mind something that I could be doing while I'm poking around the house.

I was wondering if anyone tried soloing level 60 instances and disenchanting the materials. I tried soloing scholo with my mage and it went well. Cleared everything but it took me almost one hour and I made only 200g from selling everything. Anyone made more?

You were wondering this? There are probably scores of posts on the topic. Never mind the discussions of simply gathering large brilliant shards out of BRD, an age old, age old.

I'm not talking about farming bosses for LBS. The prices for Greater Eternal Essence have gone through the roof on our server and I was wondering if there's a large group of elite mobs somewhere that can be somehow aoe-d or some mobs with very low HP.

If you are lucky and leveled your disenchanter quickly, there are quests out there that give you a fair selection of weapons that disenchant to GEEs. It's not a sustainable method but it's a handy one-off boost. My warlock just did the Silithus quests to get the 24 slot herb bag recipe and picked up a fair few GEEs from d/eing quest rewards and drops.

Weapon quest rewards that should d/e to LBSs or GEEs:
Weapons - Items - World of Warcraft

Anyone else notice that Primal Air gas clouds in Nagrand seem more broken than ever?

Never tried soloing scholo as a mage before, but I am interested to know how did you kill those immune to magic mobs there?

There is only 2 skellis of your concern, which are guarding the door towards the Lich, right under the first bridge.
Hug the left wall and time it tun run by- if you are a warlock.
As mage, just open the door and blink in

Well we got a whole new category on inaccessible, underground. I am also receiving phantom flashes on my mini-map; with and without plug ins enabled; that would lend me to believe there are more underground occurrences that I get as full on displays.

I have noticed that I have two new non accessible spawn points, one is inside the hillside near the ogre cave north of halla, I have been able to get it from above on the hill a few times but mostly it suffers a LOS issue. The other LOS node is one that is getting trapped in the arena walls. On that note, with the new kill quest for players of the opposite faction getting the arena node is a bit more dangerous.

I have three locations that I have not seen a spawn in since the patch but I am leaving them to observer error types, meaning I may just be unlucky and a competitor is nailing them.

Related to the thread, Primal Air has basically doubled in price from the low teens to high twenties and low thirties on my server. This may be because too many nodes are inaccessible or the fact most of the farmers are in sunwell areas