2.3 Patch Notes & Undocumented Changes - Page 14

Nite_Moogle · 11/14/07, 8:50 PM

If I were a gambling man I'd say that Blizzard is happy with the current functionality of AotViper and doesn't think drinking mid-fight is required any longer. Equipment change is probably just for equivalence across all classes.

Jochan · 11/14/07, 9:10 PM

I don't know if it is intended, but humans recive dubble bonus from their racial, when equipping mace and sword, or at least, it looks that way in the mele stats window.

I know it was already on PTR, but does anyone know, if it really affects all their attacks, or is it just a bug which brings nothing to the game experience ?

Nuveena · 11/14/07, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lumi

This isn't very fair reasoning. Just because something is unique to a class doesn't warrant a drastic change. I can not recall one moment in my raiding career where I've truly found swapping gear to be an significant issue for hunters in raiding. In fact, more often than not when I try to be proactive about it, I get resists or some rsts throws me back in.

I've lost count of the number of people we've ressed with a hunter equipping cables. The Capernian tanking on Kael'Thas also comes to mind. And of course, the all-time favorite; naked hunters when a pull starts to look ugly.

RK · 11/14/07, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bullshot

Here's a nice change, although I think it will be classified as a bug and fixed later on:

If HWL Naj'entus has both the Mortal Strike as well as the Aimed Shot debuffs on him while he has the Tidal Shield, he will not heal at all. I just wanted to try it out for fun and it actually worked.

Has anyone confirmed if this is happening in PvP as well? I'm at work, or I'd check... MS and AS stacking would completely shake up arena (at least until the inevitable hotfix).

Gwaihir · 11/14/07, 10:19 PM

It does not work. I just tested in the FFA arena.

Edit: Both with MS, Mortal Aimed Shot, and Wound Poison.

archz0r · 11/14/07, 11:13 PM

Mystical Skyfire Diamond doesn't seem to work with channeled spells. WoR states that it should work with Evocation, which it doesn't and neither does it with Arcane Missiles.

Did anyone else notice this or did the Focus buff just run out as I started channeling AM or Evocation?

Kalman · 11/14/07, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by archz0r

Mystical Skyfire Diamond doesn't seem to work with channeled spells. WoR states that it should work with Evocation, which it doesn't and neither does it with Arcane Missiles.

Did anyone else notice this or did the Focus buff just run out as I started channeling AM or Evocation?

It works fine with Mind Flay.

archz0r · 11/14/07, 11:22 PM

Yeah, pardon me, they both worked fine. I blame the late hours.

Prinsesa · 11/14/07, 11:32 PM

The issue with that, is that every time the client sends the instant cast action request (i.e., spamming the Shield Slam button while within the GCD that my devastate initiated), it begins what seems to be a client side GCD that lasts a split second until the client gets confirmation from the server that the new cast could not be begun. This is what seems to be causing the delay in what would otherwise be instant attacks.

One of the builds in the PTR did not have this behavior - one could simply press their abilities as often and as fast as they like, and the first one that got to the server by the time you were ready for your next action would get executed.

It seems that they "had" to implement this GCD-just-for-TRYING-to-do-something because of the implications of allowing people to mash on their keyboards willy-nilly. People who were testing the new stopcasting behavior observed that the faster you mashed keys, the better results you got in terms of narrowing the gap between chained casts, so much so that to obtain the best results, you could use a G15 keyboard and program it to hit your Fireball key every fraction of a second.

This is obviously bad in terms of potential server load. Multiply the number of people playing at one time by the number of packets they're all sending by trying to play the WoW equivalent of Nintendo's Track and Field and you could be looking at a significant amount of additional latency. It seems like they decided to always generate a GCD to effectively place a cap on how fast and how often you can try the server for an ability.

Kimchee · 11/15/07, 12:07 AM

I am having difficulty selling certain types of trash loot to vendors. They all still take armor and weapons but things like carapices and chipped ravager legs and primordial essences and other various elemental type loot will not sell. I tried selling a knothide leather scrap to a vendor and it would not take it either. These type items add up to serious gold over time and I was wondering where you need to go to sell this type of loot.

Thanks!

Kimchee

lvl 70 Rogue

Anan'Thul

Tunch · 11/15/07, 12:23 AM

Unintended consequence of fear AI change: Olm the Summoner will stay on one tank, stacking his dot very very high, creating huge shadow dps on his tank.

Beliandra · 11/15/07, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Kimchee

I am having difficulty selling certain types of trash loot to vendors..

http://www.wowblues.com/us/can-no-lo...855994059.html ?

Cowbell · 11/15/07, 12:27 AM

The new FP at the Rebel Camp in STV is pretty nice, but it flags you when you fly over the arena, and you're still flagged when you land.

MeltingFaces · 11/15/07, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kimchee

I am having difficulty selling certain types of trash loot to vendors. They all still take armor and weapons but things like carapices and chipped ravager legs and primordial essences and other various elemental type loot will not sell. I tried selling a knothide leather scrap to a vendor and it would not take it either. These type items add up to serious gold over time and I was wondering where you need to go to sell this type of loot.

Thanks!

Kimchee

lvl 70 Rogue

Anan'Thul

STOP SIGNING YOUR POSTS

Whitemane · 11/15/07, 12:53 AM

Is there a castbar mod that shows GCD? I was having a few issues keeping 4 lifeblooms going tonight, so something to help to avoid the button mash would be very welcome >.<

Button mashers unite!

Elerion · 11/15/07, 12:57 AM

There is a special vendor in Southwest Silithus that will buy your vendor trash items.

Elerion

lvl 70 Priest

Ravencrest-EU

(Not really. I have had no issues selling vendor trash post patch)

EDIT: Beat me to the punch, all 5 of you.

GB-EDIT: STOP REPORTING THIS POST ALREADY, you mongrels - look further up the page

Kimchee · 11/15/07, 1:00 AM

I got a reply from a GM on the vendor situation and he said it was a known issue. Right now you cannot drag a stack of items to sell to a vendor. There are 2 work-arounds:

1. separate into individual items

2. have the vendor window open, and right click the stack

It seems the issue is with dragging a stack of items to the vendor window

Prinsesa · 11/15/07, 1:21 AM

Is there a castbar mod that shows GCD? I was having a few issues keeping 4 lifeblooms going tonight, so something to help to avoid the button mash would be very welcome >.<

Quartz has a "spark bar" for the GCD.

Personally, I'd like a full-blown cast bar for the GCD as well (as if I was casting Flash of Light or something). The bar in Quartz is just a black line with a red dot moving from left to right, with no latency indicator.

There is a special vendor in Southwest Silithus that will buy your vendor trash items.

Elerion

lvl 70 Priest

Ravencrest-EU

STOP SIGNING YOUR POSTS

warmblanket · 11/15/07, 3:08 AM

Originally Posted by snape

Generally, this happens when a ranged unit pulls a melee target, and somewhere between the two of them is a stealthed unit hostile to the mob pulled. I remember this from Stratholme when I would pull the Ghouls; they would always pause in their tracks as they approached the stealthed Rogue in my group.

Now, I don't know if there was a Rogue/Druid or not in your path, but it's possible. Were you in the area of STV where there are stealthed panthers? Because that could be a bug where a mob pauses as it sees/detects a seemingly friendly stealthed unit.

No, I'm 100% sure there were no stealthed mobs there. However, I was playing with my sound off and today, with my sound on, and in arathi highlands, I noticed that the frostbite proc sound would go off as the mob would stop. Maybe it's just my imagination though.

Drock · 11/15/07, 3:59 AM

Has anyone else found any new BoE epics in 2.3? A throwing weapon dropped for someone on my server and it's on the AH now for 5k. It's not in WoWHead so I'm curious if there are any other items like it. This item is actually really amazing considering it's only ilvl 100.

Opioid · 11/15/07, 4:08 AM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

One of the builds in the PTR did not have this behavior - one could simply press their abilities as often and as fast as they like, and the first one that got to the server by the time you were ready for your next action would get executed.

It seems that they "had" to implement this GCD-just-for-TRYING-to-do-something because of the implications of allowing people to mash on their keyboards willy-nilly. People who were testing the new stopcasting behavior observed that the faster you mashed keys, the better results you got in terms of narrowing the gap between chained casts, so much so that to obtain the best results, you could use a G15 keyboard and program it to hit your Fireball key every fraction of a second.

This is obviously bad in terms of potential server load. Multiply the number of people playing at one time by the number of packets they're all sending by trying to play the WoW equivalent of Nintendo's Track and Field and you could be looking at a significant amount of additional latency. It seems like they decided to always generate a GCD to effectively place a cap on how fast and how often you can try the server for an ability.

Its a shame they're more set on "Get our crazy original scheme to work by making it needlessly complex" just so they won't be upstaged by us uneducated proletariats and our ridiculous One Deep Spell Queue idea =\

cusface · 11/15/07, 4:25 AM

Originally Posted by Guljin

Arcane Shot should be renamed Annoying Shot. After some xXxLEGol4sxXx Night Elf Hunter fool decided he would try and gank me while herbing, post-dispatching him I realised about 10 minutes later why I wasn't able to locate any herbs: Arcane Shot had dispelled Find Herbs.

I pvp'd quite a lot last night, and didn't notice any bugs with arcane shot. I was watching my opponents debuffs quite religiously in my debuffing euphoria, and it never dispelled a non-magic buff for me at least.
I wouldn't have been able to see if i removed any type of tracking of course.

Edit: spelling

Kark · 11/15/07, 4:30 AM

The goblin version of the pirate costume from the Halloween event now has a pirate hat like the gnome and undead versions, thereby solidifying its place as the best illusion ever.

Voxstar · 11/15/07, 4:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tunch

Unintended consequence of fear AI change: Olm the Summoner will stay on one tank, stacking his dot very very high, creating huge shadow dps on his tank.

Olm is not immune to taunt. Another tank or his Fel Hunters can be used to trade aggro.

Soul · 11/15/07, 5:00 AM

Originally Posted by warmblanket

No, I'm 100% sure there were no stealthed mobs there. However, I was playing with my sound off and today, with my sound on, and in arathi highlands, I noticed that the frostbite proc sound would go off as the mob would stop. Maybe it's just my imagination though.

This issue happens with Frostbite a lot. Like Impact, Frostbite often desyncs and happens out of step with when the spell that procced it lands. Sometimes, it happens quite a bit after the spell lands and sometimes, quite a bit before. When the latter happens, the mob gets rooted and then, when the spell lands immediately after and crits, Frostbite breaks and the mob appears to do a quick two-step. You get a similar effect when chain casting and Frostbite lags - Frostbolt lands, the mob takes several steps toward you, gets rooted by Frostbite and then gets Shattered as your next spell lands, which breaks Frostbite.