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Old 12/05/07, 11:12 AM   #1
Kir
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Twinking tricks/Leveling alts

I don't want this thread to be a standard leveling guide, that's not the kind of shit you'd find on EJ. Instead, I wanted to get end game players take on twinking out and leveling new alts. That is, what class do you think can level fastest using resources available to end game raiders, and in what way can you do it.

example: Paladins are generally not a fast leveling class, but they have the option of AE farming with good equipment and a good shield spike. A new player does not have this option, as they would not have the cash to twink out their character and get an expensive shield spike. But, if you do, then you can level pretty quickly.

To give you background, I play a mage, but I'm gonna roll a druid alt now that our guild is close to raiding half as much (Working on Illidan). But, even with the increased leveling exp, I have a hard time re-doing content I've done many times before. Personally, I'm looking for the fastest and most interesting ways to level alts. But, I want the thread to be about others ideas and tricks from end game raiders for the quickest way to level other classes. I mean, borderline exploit worthy tricks. If it takes 2-3 people to do, that's ok too.

Try to stay away from just recommending 'good' areas to farm, unless it's related to the trick you are talking about or the area has some trick to it for the class. Example: If you were leveling a mage and wanted to AE farm with frost spec, you'd have to find areas with densely packed non-ranged and non-caster mobs.

If there is a certain item(s) that make leveling ridiculously easier for that class, mention those. i.e. the shield spike for the paladin, or some overly powerful leveling item that slipped through the cracks (something like heroism deck for a melee class at lvl 60, but for lower levels).

Lastly, if there are good areas to take your alt that would actually make good money for your main too, you can throw that in.

Hopefully the mods find this EJ worthy, I know it's closely related to a standard WoW forum type thread. But, I wanted to go in a different direction, from the POV that everyone has leveled one or more classes all the way to the end game already, and hope we can stick to that.

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Old 12/05/07, 11:24 AM   #2
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Well, if you're ever looking to level a warrior, find a 70 resto druid to follow you around out of party and hot you. Questing gives the best XP now, considering the changes, but instead of fighting one thing at a time, dual wield, pull large groups and cleave/ww/ss spam them down. The more you pull, the more rage you get, the more damage you do.

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Old 12/05/07, 11:40 AM   #3
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You would probably need a different guide for every class type, considering you can't just tag and kill until around 62 or something.

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Old 12/05/07, 11:54 AM   #4
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Does anyone know a decent aoe grind guide for paladin? I started a new account and leveling a paladin to heal at 70...but ive done the old content so many times that its very painful and boring to do.

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Old 12/05/07, 11:57 AM   #5
generex
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Originally Posted by Merple View Post
Well, if you're ever looking to level a warrior, find a 70 resto druid to follow you around out of party and hot you. Questing gives the best XP now, considering the changes, but instead of fighting one thing at a time, dual wield, pull large groups and cleave/ww/ss spam them down. The more you pull, the more rage you get, the more damage you do.
This works with a Warlock, too. Since when you're always healed to full you have pretty much infinite mana and can just DoT target after target.

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Old 12/05/07, 12:00 PM   #6
Aranan
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I was under the impression that if a higher level character "interferes" in the combat, the lower level would get less experience. Does this only count for offensive actions (i.e. a level 70 throwing out debuffs or damage to mobs) and not to healing (druid HoTs on a warlock/warrior)?

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Old 12/05/07, 12:07 PM   #7
Kir
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Originally Posted by Nezralix View Post
You would probably need a different guide for every class type, considering you can't just tag and kill until around 62 or something.
Not looking for people to post detailed 1-70 guides. More like specific things most people probably wouldn't know about. Similar to the "Art of Making Gold" thread where people talk about the best farm spots/techniques. Except, any area from 10-70 is acceptable, and it's more for getting exp instead of gold. Like, if there is a spot with nearly instant respawn times, or overly easy mobs assuming you have item X. Even if it's only for a certain level range, such as 40-45.

We all know having a level 70 healer can powerlvl a melee class, or warlock, quite effectively just by reducing downtime to 0 in between mobs. Looking for the more obscure stuff.

Originally Posted by Gothik View Post
Does anyone know a decent aoe grind guide for paladin? I started a new account and leveling a paladin to heal at 70...but ive done the old content so many times that its very painful and boring to do.
That's not what this thread is for. It's for people to post the info/tricks they know, not ask for guides. I'm sure you can find what you are looking for with a little time on the WoW forums or WoWwiki. That's where I originally heard about it, and saw videos of it being done.

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Old 12/05/07, 12:39 PM   #8
Belteshazzar
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It's not a huge tip, but more a time-saving handy one. For all the cooking quests, all the requirements are BoE, so if they're not on the AH (not usually), it's a lot easier to grind the drops on a toon with a mount.

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Old 12/05/07, 12:40 PM   #9
Pamine
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For those who want guides, James' guide is the best one around for alliance lvls 30-60, tons of people have used it, and it's free.

Jame's Alliance Leveling Guide | World of Warcraft Pro

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Old 12/05/07, 12:50 PM   #10
Obligatory
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I've found a couple of things can help out enormously.

1. Find a white 1H sword that can be used by a level 1 and enchant it with fiery. Find a white level 1 dagger or staff and enchant it with 30 spell damage. Now you have a weapon that will last quite a few levels and you can re-use it on other alts.

2. If you're a twinked out melee, your kill rate should be high enough that mobs in caves will respawn like mad.

3. If you're leveling a ret paladin, make sure to pick up The Pacifier. your kill rate with that thing + SoC + fiery enchant will be absurd.

4. Spirit is all kinds of OP at low levels.

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Old 12/05/07, 12:55 PM   #11
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Just so you guys know, Lifebloom doesn't work on low level targets, and when you try to rejuv someone that is much lower level than you it automatically lowers the rank of the rejuv. While not a bad idea, spamming low rank rejuv wouldn't be that much fun for someone :P

I will say though, I have been leveling an Undead Warrior and I have had a bit of help. As soon as I hit 30 I got my Whirlwind Axe and had it enchanted with Savagery. Had improve slam at 2/2 when I hit 31, and my sustained dps went from the high 30s when i was level 29 to around 90 dps at 31, getting slam crits sometimes around 550.

You gotta do things like this if you wanna level fast, a level 30 Warrior using a level 40 weapon enchanted with a level 70 enchant...she rips threw things.

Unfortunately, you wouldn't be able to do something like this as a druid, because all that matters to you is AP.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:00 PM   #12
Gothik
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Originally Posted by Kir View Post
That's not what this thread is for. It's for people to post the info/tricks they know, not ask for guides. I'm sure you can find what you are looking for with a little time on the WoW forums or WoWwiki. That's where I originally heard about it, and saw videos of it being done.

Maybe ''guide'' was a bad choice to describe what i want. Im looking for some guidelines about aoe farm, something to improve the xp/hour...most of the guides you refer are outdated and dont take in consideration patch 2.3. You were the first to ask for ''tricks'' or ''info'' no need to jump on me for doing the same. Thank you.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:02 PM   #13
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A list of best enchants that can be used on twinks (<35):

Weapon: +30 spell damage, +55 healing (MC enchants), Crusader, Fiery, and the old str/agi enchants (I believe 15agi or str).

Gloves: +15agi, +20 school-specific spell damage

Bracers: +9str or stam

Boots: Minor move speed (+8% move speed).

Chest: +4 all stats

Leggings/Helm - Libram enchants (+8 to one stat best).


General Gearing Tips:

If powerleveling a druid, ideally you want as much of the tiger gear as possible, and str/agi enchants on everything. It's all about kill speed. Enchants are very powerful for increasing DPS compared gear.

For a melee class, an appropriate-level blue weapon with fiery every few levels is optimal, enchants are good but secondary.

For a caster, caster enchants sucked pre-tbc. Get a +30 spell damage to a weapon and it'll probably last you till 60. Likewise if you can find an enchanter for the somewhat rare AQ glove enchant recipes.

If you can dual box your character with a healer, it makes things a lot faster/easier. I dual boxed my current main from 30-70 with my druid out of group using heals on him - it made everything incredibly easy.


Leveling Tips:

There is no "secret". Just do quests, do them fast. Do as many as you can before coming back to town. Skip ones that have a poor rate of return for time spent. Use a leveling guide to give you an optimal path if you can't figure out one yourself. Aoe farming / power instance running / etc has been eclipsed by simple questing. Quest your ass off, and then quest some more.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:07 PM   #14
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1. Get a second account (make sure to refer-a-friend to yourself for a free month of wow.)
2. Create your alt on the second account
3. Level to ~10 normally in the starting area
4. Use your main to drag the alt through instances, as a mage you can clear deadmines/WC so fast you'll hit the instances/hour cap
5. I spent about 20m searching but can't find a post, but someone had a SS of dinging level 40 with less than a day of playtime using this strategy.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:12 PM   #15
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Perhaps obvious, but the most important thing to me is planning and preparation. Spend at least a few weeks checking the AH for gear before actually leveling an alt so you have all relevant rare boes and good greens for the foreseeable future. I find this especially critical for casters as [Enter Type] Wrath-greens are (or were until the 2.3 instance loot changes, at least) the only items that you can possibly get for most slots that at all do anything to help you level.

Unfortunately for you Druid may be the least twinkable class in the game, unless you count grouping with a warrior or warlock twink who does most of your killing while you heal.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:14 PM   #16
Jelloshots
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Originally Posted by Obligatory View Post
I've found a couple of things can help out enormously.

1. Find a white 1H sword that can be used by a level 1 and enchant it with fiery. Find a white level 1 dagger or staff and enchant it with 30 spell damage. Now you have a weapon that will last quite a few levels and you can re-use it on other alts.
An extension of this is a "twink kit" armor set. Go to town on pretty much any low level gear that isn't soulbound. Some things aren't doable (e.g. TBC helm enchants, some higher level armor/weapon enchants), and some are annoying to obtain (e.g. pre-TBC libram enchants). Some of the items have better staying power, especially pants with runic spellthread or nethercleft armor, but those are also the most expensive items to create. Finally, you can also sell the kit for a reasonable amount if you decide that you don't want it.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:14 PM   #17
generex
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Originally Posted by Aranan View Post
I was under the impression that if a higher level character "interferes" in the combat, the lower level would get less experience. Does this only count for offensive actions (i.e. a level 70 throwing out debuffs or damage to mobs) and not to healing (druid HoTs on a warlock/warrior)?
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Old 12/05/07, 1:15 PM   #18
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A tip for a class that can use 2h. Get the slowest weapon you can get early on (3.6 is good) and slap an [Iron Counterweight] on it. It's 52% haste <= lvl 10 and starts dropping after that. I'd switch to crusader/fiery at 20.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:19 PM   #19
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One of the nicest mod combinations for levelling is Lightheaded (from wowinterface) and Cartograph (ace archives). Lightheaded is a database mod containing all commnents on quests from WoWHead. You click on a quest and you can read the comments about it in game. If one of those comments contains a location you can click that, carograph will then display a giant arrow on your screen with the waypoint to that location.
So no more searching and alt tabbing. Just follow the arrow on your screen.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:24 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Kadaan View Post
1. Get a second account (make sure to refer-a-friend to yourself for a free month of wow.)
2. Create your alt on the second account
3. Level to ~10 normally in the starting area
4. Use your main to drag the alt through instances, as a mage you can clear deadmines/WC so fast you'll hit the instances/hour cap
5. I spent about 20m searching but can't find a post, but someone had a SS of dinging level 40 with less than a day of playtime using this strategy.
a small but important tip.
Fill up your group with people that are lower than the char you want to push. This will give group bonus and so will give more exp in the end.
And this method works, it works so good it took us 2days 9hours to get 2 chars to 60.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:27 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Xerophyte View Post
Perhaps obvious, but the most important thing to me is planning and preparation.
That's it exactly, it's not like you don't know these zones already but you may have some quest details (soothing spices for Jarl etc). 10 minutes between WoWhead and your ingame map will get you set for the same area quests found in each quest hub. A few other things get 16 or even 18 slot bags and the 20 slot mining bag too (you are going mining right?)

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Old 12/05/07, 1:29 PM   #22
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Possibly an alternative to the boring regular quests...

Run a few Daily BG quests - not as 'fast', but you'll accumulate marks + honour which'll help provide gear and get you ready for gladiator stuff at level 70. At level 39, the quest reward was around 4k. Not all that much, but it helps and is a lot more entertaining than killing another dozen murlocs.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:31 PM   #23
Samadhi
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I think enchanting your gear for any reason other than twinking to play in a specific BG bracket at these levels would be a waste of money, especially with the new changes to xp/level and quest experience. You out level the usefulness of any individual item too quickly. Just following the quests along the way I leveled my alt shaman from 46-56 over last weekend.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:37 PM   #24
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I 2-box and have leveled my alt like that. There are 4 basic methods to level:

Solo lvl. Let's say at lvl 30 a typical mob will give you 160xp, and take you 10secs to kill.

Group with a 70 dpser. You can 1 shot the mob, but the alt gets almost no xp, something like 24xp in this case. This is only going to be useful if you have tons of mobs nearby, such as instance AoE runs.

Have the 70 dps outside the group, shoot with the alt 1st to get the first dmg in, then 1 shot the mob with the 70. This is an interesting case, because I used to do that and it would give me full xp in the past, but it doesn't work anymore, in the present case you'd get maybe 24xp, so I have to assume that was changed.

Go solo but have a healer on auto follow outside the group. You get full xp for the alt since the healer isn't attacking it, but you have no down time since you're always healed. This is the best and fastest way out of these 4 methods. Note that a priest renew will be more than enough, with each tick healing more than 50% of the alt hp, at any lvl up to 40+.

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Old 12/05/07, 1:46 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Polleke View Post
One of the nicest mod combinations for levelling is Lightheaded (from wowinterface) and Cartograph (ace archives). Lightheaded is a database mod containing all commnents on quests from WoWHead. You click on a quest and you can read the comments about it in game. If one of those comments contains a location you can click that, carograph will then display a giant arrow on your screen with the waypoint to that location.
So no more searching and alt tabbing. Just follow the arrow on your screen.
The best add-on to go with Lightheaded is TomTom, which allows you to click on any coordinates in the Lightheaded window and have them show on your minimap and overhead map.

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