Prinsesa

Does anyone have any ideas for the same kind of mass mob powerleveling (or maybe power-repping) in Outland itself? I acknowledge that hitting 58-60 is probably good enough since everyone's in a rush to get to HFP, but just maybe someone out there has a spot they can recommend.

For example, there's a long line of ghost Footmen on the ridge overlooking the Alliance Armory in southern HFP that I can Prot AOE down.

There's also the long long line of Fel Orc mobs along the Path of Glory. I can't pull as much since they're more spread out and there are quite a few casters, but at least they award Thrallmar rep until friendly.

Of course, there's also The Heap in Netherstorm for melee mobs that award Consortium rep or Demon Hunter Supplicants in the Black Temple's terrace, but I've never actually tried bringing a sub-70 there.

I guess one big question would be how a 61+ normal Outland mob's exp would compare to a Stratholme elite.

http://armory.mmo-champion.com.nyud....63815BffMm.png

 

Kyojin

The nice tidbit about using the Simple Black Dress or some of the seasonal items (Formal Danqui / Green Wedding Hanbok / etc) at level one with lvl 35 chants on them has worked incredibly. One thing I haven't seen anyone address or even ask about... Fish....

Can things like like the ## Pound Salmon, Redgill or Mightfish be enchanted?

It states off hand, but i haven't found on through fishing or AH yet to see if "enchant weapon" will work on it.

 

Zorane

It's an Off hand but I think it's classified as Misc off hand and not a weapon and therefore you will not be able to enchant it. Although I'd pay a large sum to be able to run a lvl 19 twink in WSG with a fish with crusader on it! Flaming Fish of Righteousness for the win!

 

• Chicken

They're all "Held in Off-Hand" type items, or off-hand frills, all of which can't be enchanted.

 

Thiris

In regards to the questions about Strat and cloth casters, I'd found that this was almost too slow with my 70 Mage. I'm not incredibly geared (2pc T5 for channeled AM spam on bosses) but I just found that as a cloth wearer I was getting pounded too quickly even with a 52 Pally keeping up heals on me. I think we made it most of the way through Live side before we had a friend join us, but it was honestly painful to that point.

I did have a fair bit of success with my Druid in those instances, though the DPS that he put out was somewhat anemic, so again, it was slow going, but less of the "Oh crap, need a big heal NOW!" moments where you pucker in your seat a bit.

I could see this being decent with a group of people though, dualing the instances seemed a bit of a waste as she wasn't getting the group bonus, as well as the extra damage from people (as little as it might be)

 

Parappa

Instances by level - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

and as far as boosting lowbies in strat and scholo goes, a bored guildie of mine decided to help my hunter alt through both of these places on his orc elemental shaman. the shaman is not massively geared, has some pvp gear and some mixed kara epics, nothing special, but he just tore through the whole place in no time. was really kind of scary the amount of burst dps he was able to put out. think baroness never got an MC off, balnazarr just fell over, even rattlegore was no problem at all.

 

Zure

For those that have two accounts, and who find themselves grinding on their main, I've found simply towing the alt around in group on auto-follow during the grind session to be a source of virtually free experience. I ground some consortium rep at the Heap and a boatload of Scryers rep east of Mana Forge Corru(?) near cosmowrench with a druid in tow to good effect. It took probably 10 minutes to get the alt out to Netherstorm, but it was a run I would have had to make eventually.

This works particularly well with stealth classes, and I assume would also be effective if you invested the time to summon the alt to an evade point (e.g., a tree above the elemental plateau's fire elementals). Alternatively, simply exercising caution in where you move the lower level character works as well.

 

SshadowW

I use the dot run out method on alot of my new alts (on 2nd accounts) quite alot. Normally only till lvl 30 now though. from there you should have some nice gear and since 2.3 your xp for level is lower and xp from quests is higher.

just a tip if you are using a lock with dark pact - once you run out of instance leech your pets mana (i use imp) completly then once you reenter instance it will have full mana again. so you can leech more

 

• probiscus

Assuming a group of friends were to re-roll alts with the express purpose of having a prot/holy/whatever paladin zerg tank in the spirit of psi's posts... what would be an ideal comp?

I have one account with my T4/badge geared paladin, access to another account and 2 friends who are willing to do this with me. The two friends are leaning towards warrior / shaman, but are open to suggestion. Most likely my second account would just be a passive 2-box considering the (lack of) quality of my computer.

All else aside, assuming you're going the prot paladin route (as a tank), what group would have the best synergies. Assumption being that you're going to have one character being 2 boxed, so it would be more of a passive buff-bot (ie. not a rogue).

 

Fqubed

Going from a pally tank I imagine the best route would be healer, and mad AoE class.

 

SshadowW

I would say earth shield shaman for heals and frost mage with imp blizzard.
I think this was said earlier : )

 

Timefortea

I've been running the speed instance lvl'ing method with my prot paladin, wearing healing gear for +spldmg. Its working really well so far, RFC is a pain - ie annoying pull distances and oh man, what a long run back to reset!

What i'm wanting to know, is whether there is a way to modify the distance that the alt follows you? so that there's more time to gather aggro - seeing some mobs just run through you to the alt. Or does this become less of a problem as the instaces become more easy to pull to your paladin?

 

hugh1130

If your leveling an alt to pvp with

it is a good idea to grind EXP in AV, you enter at 63-64 and can grind harpies up by the alliance base

it is full exp and full honor, and your are going to be in there for honor at 70, why not kill two birds with one stone.

 

Fqubed

Unless the instance has some reset issues (RFD live side) I just leave the alts at the entrance and run a circle gathering everything and bring them back. That or avoid as many mobs as you can and run back grabbing them all. I never did RFC for exp with any group, perhaps try SM/SFK if its not efficient.

 

Macblade

Anyone have any specific tips about leveling warriors?

I don't have a second account (don't think it's worth it to double the cost of a hobby) nor do I have a friend that would be willing to run around healing me.

Right now I'm level 44 and I have two 48 blue weps with crusader on them, which is when I'll respec from MS to fury, I also have edgemaster's handguards, which should be totally imba with all the +hit and Expertise on them.

The only idea that I've seen so far, that would be really useful for my situation, is questing/grinding in AB to level and get honor, since I know I want to PVP with this alt.


I guess one thing that might be really helpful are item suggestions. I have a lot of gold sitting around that I wouldn't mind using to twink my character to level faster. What are some good items that I should keep an eye out for on the AH. Or what are some quest reward blues or green that are totally imba if I can talk a 70 guildy into helping me for 20 or 30 min?

Thanks

 

Pyros

Well depending on what kind of help you can get and what spec you want to level with, there's a few things. At 58 go to outlands, do the very first quest(infernal/imp killing stuff) and get a new weap. Maybe do another quest for another green if you use fury. I actually waited until60 myself, had the shadowrend longblade from the first ramparts boss sitting in my pack, went there with my druid and "soloed" it. At 65 you can do the ring of blood thing for a good main hand fist, at 63 you can get a decent blue offhand dagger from a terrokar quest with the big worm thing around auchindoun(big bone worm is the quest name I think).

But frankly, I wouldn't have had the courage to level my warrior without having my druid as a healing pet behind me at all times. The downtimes on warriors is just too bad, and it also forces you to gear more on plate and stuff, which reduces your dps making it even slower. I guess you could buy yourself some potions to speed it up a bit, like major agi or major strength.

 

Pater

I tried this as Horde on the Kobolds at the Coldtooth mine and was only getting 100 or so XP per kill. Is it only the harpies that give full XP?

 

Liebestod

I'm sure your team would love that.

Good luck not getting reported /afk. Deservedly.

 

Kazanir

Mine critters = Bad

Harpies and gnolls (in the alliance and horde areas, respectively) = Good

[13:07] <Kazanir> Vontre was responsible for Black Mesa
[13:08] <Vontre> Is Black Mesa some Half-Life thing?

 

Mortimmer

Warriors in my oppinion are the most challenged class when it comes to leveling fast. As noted by Pyros, the downtimes are annoying. Not to mention that escapes are tricky and you don't have any real panic skills execpt mass fear (which saves you if you can get away when you got too many adds) and the fun but short recklessness, which has a long CD. Also, you lack (incoming) damage control. Having plate is not enough. A rogue for example, stuns to prevent incoming damage and a paladin simply avoids alot of downtime with heals.

When I leveled my warrior, even as a twink (nightblade/crusader, the best of scarlet, mostly whatever there was to get), I still got downtimes, not to mention that I had problems with mobs that were 3 levels above me (alot of incoming, nerfed outgoing - nasty downtimes).

As a result I countered this by adding a bit more grinding to the routine on mobs of 1 or 2 levels below my own level, or equal level as the max. In populated areas I extended the grind a bit, you'll notice that on mobs of such levels your dps is alot higher, and armor/avoidance starts to work here. You can drop mobs per 2 or 3, fairly fast. Experience gained was better compared to mobs above my level (1 or 2).

For talents, I've always worked with a 2H weapon. Warriors have a +hit issue when leveling up and the gear available doesn't meet this need sufficiently (at higher levels you can pick up precision, but before that, there's really a gap). On mobs of lower level this isn't that much of a problem, but if you really have to work on something a bit higher level (due to some quest that you want to do because it's in the same area or such) you'll have to cope with this dual wielding problem (or rather, my dps was lower at the time when I tried).

As for items, perhaps a nice one to go for, if you like ZF, you could try and get the level 50 epic 2 hander. ZF is also good XP and you can start it at your level, although finding groups may be a bit of an issue depending on your server.

If you have alot of gold sitting around, perhaps stack heal pots and invest in buffs.

 

Starfire

I always level'd my warriors as Fury and I found escaping to be rather easy.

Piercing Howl is a god-send and will work on any melee.

Yeah, you have intimidating shout on a 2 minute cooldown, but don't forget Shield Wall every 30 minutes. How often are you going to need to "escape".

As far as damage control, you can stance dance and disarm, you can also hamstring, run out and then intercept back in for a stun. And once you hit 64 or so, using battle stance to weapon-swap a shield and spell-reflect is sometimes just obscene (ogres in Nagrand + spellreflect = Profit, at any level). Demoralizing shout and thunderclap help tremendously with mitigation as well.

By the way, epic items in the auction house aren't necessairly the best "twink" items anymore. Quite often you'll find since post 2.3 there are just some wicked weapons available at lower levels. You WILL need help, but it will be worth it.

Example:
[Crescent of Forlorn Spirits] ilevel 35 weapon, available at level 22. (Note! This weapon can use Outlands enchants! Yes, a Level 22 weapon with Savagery, Crusader or Battlemaster).
[Sword of Serenity] ilevel 44 weapon, available at level 34.
[Gryphon Rider's Stormhammer] ilevel 53 weapon, available at level 42.
[Lifeforce Dirk] ilevel 54 weapon, available at level 43.
[Thrash Blade] ilevel 53 weapon, available at level 45.

[Tidecrest Blade] ilevel 57 weapon, available at level 49.
[Blade of Reckoning] ilevel 60 weapon, available at level 50.
[Skilled Fighting Blade] ilevel 60 weapon, available at 50. (And with expertise!)

Another question is... why would you ever want to grind mobs 3 levels above? It's far more faster to grind 3 levels below. This is the first time I've heard of someone advocating/wanting to grind higher level mobs.

 

Macblade

Thanks for the list of items. I'll have to keep an eye of for some of those, particularly the dagger with expertise.

I agree that not all of the epic items are worth it. However, I think that edgemaster's are a pretty sweet investment because all of their ilevel points seem to have been spent of +hit and +expertise and as an item that can be worn at level 44, that's a pretty rare commodity. Honestly, I'm not sure that I'll replace them until I get to outlands and maybe not for a while even then.

 

Eyago