Eyago

Does wanding get factored into melee haste (like auto-shot) or is it considered a spell? If so, a melee haste set up combined w/ the enchanting wands on lowbies would be pretty imba.

 

Aithan

Hello, I may be late for the paladin - SM comments, but this is my experience from tonight:

I pulled a friend's alt (40 mage) through Cathedral 3 times. What I would do was pulling all mobs while running, hitting some on them on the way so they would not turn to my friend for whatever reason, with Retribution aura and Blessing of Sanctity up. At the door, I'd ask my friend to open it, then run straight to Mograine while my friend waited outside. When I was sure every mob was on me, I'd make my friend enter the Cathedral, lay a couple AW'ed consecrations, loot and go out.

What differs from what I read here is mainly two things:

1) Whitemane didn't come out until all the mobs were dead. I am absolutely sure I never got sleeped while I was still fighting the "trash mobs", even if I probably killed Mograine in the meantime (I didn't really check the pile of corpses, my bad)

2) If you walk backwards while pulling, you will be always facing any mob chasing you. I am a protection paladin in t5 level gear, and with the whole Cathedral on me, plus Mograine (probably 30 level 40 mobs) the only health I would lose was from the odd non-resisted frostbolt from the mages, which Seal of Light more than took care for. I really dont see how a prot paladin could die there, since I was pratically not losing health. One time my friend died, so I turned off sanctuary and ret. aura to let him corpserun before killing the mobs. I just stood there for 2 minutes straight and lost maybe 200 health cause I had a couple mobs on the sides (able to hit me through my 100% parry/block/dodge/miss chance).


A couple questions now:

1) I am actually thinking of using the two accounts method to boost a warlock I intend to roll, what I was wondering is: should I put it on follow on my paladin and use Consecration R1 to ensure no mob hits my alt, or just gather the mobs, alt tab to my lock, and get her close enough to get credited for the kills?

2) what is the XP difference between being just me and my alt, or me and 4 even leveled characters (even with my alt)?


Thanks a lot for your time.


Edit: I just noticed the Armory updated faster than usual, and already shows me as retribution. In case it has any relevance, my stats are around

15300 hp
21% dodge
17% parry
24% block / 410 Block Value
502 Defense
372 Spell Damage.

 

Bubbs

Aithan, my personal recommendation would be to gather up mobs and bring your alt close enough to get credit. I do this as Holy spec with a Figurine of the Colossus in two total pulls. I run around the perimeter o the courtyard and then LoS them in the hallway with my alt near the entrance. I then move my alt to the fountain and pull the rest of the zone with a Mana Tap on Mograine. 50k xp/hr doing so and any damage I take while gathering is taken care of by the Figurine.

 

RawStevenMoney

Well, you're not too late imo. I'd say that powerboosting and twinking to level up are the 2 main points in this topic.

I have never done this with a pally, so I can't tell ya whether or not it's impossible to die. But moving on...

1. I would never put a boosted character to follow a main. I just grab all mobs that I can and drag them to the boosted lowbie. Dying sucks here. Depending on which instance you do, there are some nice spots to camp your lowbie. But the best method is explained in my answer to # 2 (below).

2. You will get a significant increase in XP boosting characters if you are grouped because of the XP bonus of groups. I have boosted with just a single character, but it's definitely not as efficient, especially if you are dual boxing. I would grab a few nubs outside of the instance and tell them you will run them through as many times as they want for free, as long as they sit back and let your lowbie follow them. This is way easier than Alt +Tab'ing.

I hope this helped a bit.

 

◊ Cowbell

The pros and cons of either "dot & run" or fast clearing (with and without a group bonus) have been debated over and over again in this thread, as well as the best instances to use, and why you shouldn't use some in particular.

 

Feist-Mok

One thing I've found handy for 60-70. Get Hellfire honored in the low 60's, bring in the alt and 4 man a boss in H Ramparts for a nether, boom, epic goggles for the outland grind.

 

RawStevenMoney

I got a method that I am going to try out soon. I have already level in Outlands using the "Tag and Tear" method. When you just tag a level 62 mob with your level 58 and destroy it with the 70. That worked well. This new method should be a bit more efficient though, and very lucrative. I'll keep you updated. I haven't been able to do much lately because of work/gym/partying, but I should be able to play more within the next month.

 

SeanDamnit

I just wanted to snip this out and say that it is not true. While boosting some guildy alts through SM cath as a Frost spec'd mage I experianced getting slept with mobs still beating on me. Didn't end up being a big deal because I had to do it all in 4 pulls (lower courtyard, upper courtyard, half the Cath, then Mograine and the remaining adds) so there weren't as many beating on me.

Card carrying member of the Inapropriately in Love with Hilary Duff Society.

"Yeah, well, if we could all get what we want I would be eating dinner out of Hilary Duff's skull right now" - Salabesh

 

MTW

Don't want to fill us in on your plan until you've tested it? If I can get my WoW working again (Getting a stupid MakeCriticalSectionGlobal error whenever I try to run WoW or Ventrilo) I can try it out for you as I have a fair bit of free time today

 

Aithan

I am gonna try and FRAPS the next time I'll run SM. I was surprised too, and I actually paid special attention in not killing Mograine the first time, but after that, I found myself standing there and going "well?", and after some seconds the door opened and Whitemane came out.

When did you try, btw? It could've gotten changed with the dungeon revamp in 2.3, maybe?

 

◊ Merrack

I've done this as recently as three days ago, and Whitemane certainly does come out when Mograine dies.

If you're far enough, though, you can outrange her and she'll stand right by the door. Maybe that's what you're seeing?

Questions? Answers.

 

Prinsesa

It's possible to enter normal Sethekk Halls, Steamvault or Shattered Halls as early as level 55. The bosses there don't drop a guaranteed Nether, but you can luck out and get your purple helm that much faster.

http://armory.mmo-champion.com.nyud....63815BffMm.png

 

Aithan

It could very well be that, being 70, I am far enough from her to avoid her aggroing as soon as she spawns, seeing as my friend stays about in the centre of the Cathedral. I'll just check again the next time I run it, which is probably this weekend (Im retribution now, trying to get some money to cover repair bills...)

 

Grizzly

Primal Nether and Nether Vortexes are currently not BOP on the PTR. If this stays then you can get your epic goggles at 50 without having to step foot in an instance.

 

aclark360

he said without any endgame help though it is every warriors dream to level with a healer :P

 

Laupen

This makes me think something about this will get nerfed soon. Probably a level requirement on the goggles if anything. Surely there's no way they'd let lvl 50's run around with sometimes the 2nd or 3rd best hat in the game that easily?

 

Borland

Some of my friends find fun in constantly leveling alts.
Altho i am especialy pvp oriented , i try to help them from time to time.
With this post I wanted to share my experiance in this field.
First 10 levels they better do themselfs - one solo kill is solid xp % at this time.
After that i start directly with RFC run for the quests and then go spamdo SFK until they hit 20.
After that SM cath directly until 34 for the sm quest. The speed is crazy , its around 1 level per 50min-1 hour.
If you get instance locked - you can try running 5x RFD but thats optional. In the usual case you wont be THAT fast
Around 37 you can start with uldaman , but 40 is ok as well.
Uldaman is pretty easy lately for me - i have 10.5k hp totaly unbuffed.
Mara is bad for aoeing , better start with brd , but there you should be slower - mobs hits for more.
Imp bliz works well here, but requires more attention to play and drains huge chunks of mana.

I found out that Arc/Fire works best for this level of dungeons (my usual spec is close to it anyway ) :
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Mostly because two key talents - spell power and blazing speed.
First ensures that aoe dmg crits will be huge and blazing speed is key talent to get large crowd of mobs
FAST - before you get hit too much.

My spel rotation - i start with running towards the closest mob - hit rank 1 Arcane explossion just after i pass it , then run around spaming rank 1 AE or ice lance on closest mob of a linked pack. When i get around 10-15 mobs - collect them and frost nova them , then start Flamestrike.
Dont worry about spells or ranged attacks - 70% from burning soul .
After flamestrike hits with cone of cold + blastwave + spam 2-3 arcane explossions - everyones death.
Canibalise after that if you have enough mana.
Repeat.
Have the low lvls behnd you , be ready to ice lance any mob that they agro while you aoe. Watch their health -
if its not 100% then check whats going on with them.

A very usefull hint - group of 5 levels faster than agroup of 2 - group bonus is huge -
in sm cath its 33% of the exp they are getting when grouped with a lvl 70.
I usualy just post this in general zone chanel :
"I am gonna run SM cath plenty of times for a friend , anyone in this level range wants to tag along ? I have 2 free spots."
There is always people happy to come

After 56 lvl and up until 65lvl i can give you the fastest possible way to level up for warlocks.
Spec affiction , put some good enchants on gear, get a healer with you and start with the demon camps in thrallmar.
Do not be grouped.
Run around like headless chicken putting 3 dots on every mob around , dont be worry that they will be hitting you.
Just spam dots , dont waste time to loot.
Your 70 lvl healer will be healing you easy while out of combat.
Lock wont be getting out of mana with life tap spaming , you can drink anytime you want.
Mobs will die when the 3 dots - agony , siphon , corruption.
Main idea is - if someone is killing for you - you get reduced exp. If you get healed you get NO PENALTY for the kill so it counts like a solo kill for you!
Here is how i do it and frapsed it :
YouTube - Heres your baby snaggle

 

Borland

Edited for uselessness :P Sorry
Combined with my previous one.

 

Grizzly

A quick tip if you do go for [Deathblow X11 Goggles] at 50 is that you can still put a meta gem in if you go for [Enigmatic Skyfire Diamond], the only melee meta that only requires 1 gem and it lets you get the socket bonus too!

 

lichdawg

something interesting:

I took my lvl70 priest and put it on follow of my lvl16 warrior.
The priest and warrior are not grouped.
The warrior kills mobs, the priest only heals the warrior.
The result= the warrior gets all XP.

I need to try this in an outside zone with elites, if any are left. Alternatively I will try with mobs lvl+5 or +6

 

Narishma

I've done this on 3 or 4 characters I have gotten to mid sixties now. It works insanely well. Use dualboxing principles and set up macros to focus&follow, Renew(Which is usually enough before Outland to keep a character alive against 6-7 mobs) or Flash Heal for emergencies. It really is borderline cheating when it comes to levelling efficiency. I probably had the most success with my Druid I'm currently levelling as I can pop bear form, pull 10-15 mobs, keep aggro on them all, and swipe them down with a renew being more than adequate in keeping me up. At level 48 we're talking 3-4k xp per pull, of which I can do about one a minute using this method. A bit dependant on mob grouping and type of course, since casters don't work this way, but really works well. Tore through all the Hinterlands quests in about 40 minutes the other day.

Another advantage with a priest or another hot class on follow is the low threat the heals generate, and it allows you to quest in areas 2-3 levels above you, while having the option to switch to the 70 to nuke down any possible group or elite quest you come across.

 

lichdawg

I am going to try and do this today with the warrior and see if I can pull it to 20 as fast as possible.
From 20 to 40 I usually do the DOTnRun technique for one level per 40 minutes on average.
The good thind is that now you gave me the possibility to do the 40 to 58 drag using healer on follow method, which I didn't know about.

this is great stuff