My own experience with the glove haste enchant and wanding is that the haste enchant has no discernable effect on the wand attack speed at all. I have no numbers to back this up other than personaly evidence remembered from a long time ago (before the haste changes).
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I did a little bit of dual-boxing for the purposes of running instances on low level characters. It's also really fun running deadmines when you are 2 out of the 3 dps there.
What I used was a program called Voice Command. I don't remember where I got it unfortunately, but what it does is press keys whenever you say certain things. The best part is, you can set it so you say whatever you want and it'll push the right keys for you. It can also set up multiple button pushes, and most importantly, button pushes in other windows. So I can say "Corruption", and my lvl 20 warlock uses a macro that says "/assist Octaviann" followed by hitting the button for Corruption. I do the same thing for all the spells on that character. Also, make sure you make another macro to follow you and a macro for stopping that just hits the forward key for like half a second.
With the combination of those things, I can push 2 characters through leveling together or drag one through an instance on my main. Pretty usueful in my opinion.
I have refined my power leveling process. This is the fastest rout to take if you have a priest 70. This is not the fastest if you have a mage /paladin.
lvl1 to 20, do quests, priests follow and not grouped. No downtime whatsover, no need to stop and drink no need to bandage. Quest can be done in terms of geographical location without concern to level (red quests).
lvl20-40, scarlet monastery DOTnRun
lvl40-58, same as 1to20 unsing any leleving guide but having a healer helps a lot.
Currently working on a warrior, it is awesome since having a priest reduce considerably the main problem of the class, ie the dependance on gear to level efficiently.
-Keyclone. Optional, but greatly helps, since it means you wont have to alt tab out to another client to push buttons on the priest. You can also use Autohotkey which is something similar.
-Keybindings. You need keybindings somewhere accesible but not somewhere it would conflict with your main. I use 4 macros which I assigned from f1-f4.
-Macros. I use the following which suits me fine:
/target name
/focus
/follow
/cast target=focus Renew
/cast target=focus Flash Heal
/use Black War Steed
I got this assigned to f1-f4, meaning i can control both clients, and toss a renew effortlessly.
I was just looking for something like this to better control my pally & lock combo to (hopefully) solo some lower level outlands instances. Are programs like Keyclone or Autohotkey actually legal? I've seen varying answers on them in my searches, but never found anything specific from a blue confirming one way or the other.
Edit: And if they are legal, are they safe to download? I get kind of scared seeing the number of people get hacked from doing odd things...
Yes they are legal and they are safe. You are controlling all characters still, so it is perfectly legal.
Actually that's highly debatable. While you can't get banned under the fact you're automating stuff since you're actually there, inputing commands via a 3rd party is illegal. Then again by that definition, using your G15 keyboard macros to prevent autoafking in AV is also illegal(and afking in AV is against rules of conduct, so you're breaking even more rules).
However, there's still a limit between what's acceptably illegal(having a program that sends commands to a dual log client when you press keys or talk) and what's not(botting your way from 1 to 60 without ever playing the char). From my experience, as long as you don't make waves and don't do stuff that will annoy other people or give you an advantage(such as exploiting loot or what not), blizzard won't bother finding you and banning you.
But, it's still illegal, and they can still ban you if they feel like it. It's the same with the whole model editing thing, you can just change your char to a better looking one, or you can remove ZA doors to do the timed event without a time limit. Doing the ZA one will get you banned much more surely than just changing your ugly gnome to a sexy draenei, but if for some reason you go yapping about your draenei looking so sexy and someone reports you, blizzard will be able to tell and ban you(for 72hours).
I leveled my paladin from 1-70 using autohotkey and dual logging with my hunter. I never had issues. But I didn't mention it to anyone ingame, I just said I had 2 computers. Now I have 2computers, and honestly I think it was simplier with autohotkey but well.
Multiple people on The original MMORPG Dual-Boxing and Multi-Boxing Site! have asked GMs about it, and been told that it was legal, since you are actually present and are actively controlling both characters. Its considered exactly the same as though you are sitting there with 2 keyboards pushing buttons on both, only you're doing it with 1 keyboard.
Multiple people on The original MMORPG Dual-Boxing and Multi-Boxing Site! have asked GMs about it, and been told that it was legal, since you are actually present and are actively controlling both characters. Its considered exactly the same as though you are sitting there with 2 keyboards pushing buttons on both, only you're doing it with 1 keyboard.
And you can write more complex macros with autohotkey that will pretty much automate AV queuing and afking, and that'd be illegal, and blizzard has no direct way to check if it's actually you playing or autohotkey playing for you, so I'm still keen to think that any 3rd party directly inputting keys for any reasons can get you banned. It probably won't, but it can. As for asking GMs stuff, it's been proven quite a few times that GMs answers will vary from black to white between 2 individuals, and that most of the time you shouldn't make their words a rule.
Now if tomorrow I had to dual log a char, I'd probably use autohotkey anyway, simply because it doesn't automatically gets banned by Warden, so it's pretty much safe.
Actually that's highly debatable. While you can't get banned under the fact you're automating stuff since you're actually there, inputing commands via a 3rd party is illegal. Then again by that definition, using your G15 keyboard macros to prevent autoafking in AV is also illegal(and afking in AV is against rules of conduct, so you're breaking even more rules).
However, there's still a limit between what's acceptably illegal(having a program that sends commands to a dual log client when you press keys or talk) and what's not(botting your way from 1 to 60 without ever playing the char). From my experience, as long as you don't make waves and don't do stuff that will annoy other people or give you an advantage(such as exploiting loot or what not), blizzard won't bother finding you and banning you.
But, it's still illegal, and they can still ban you if they feel like it. It's the same with the whole model editing thing, you can just change your char to a better looking one, or you can remove ZA doors to do the timed event without a time limit. Doing the ZA one will get you banned much more surely than just changing your ugly gnome to a sexy draenei, but if for some reason you go yapping about your draenei looking so sexy and someone reports you, blizzard will be able to tell and ban you(for 72hours).
I leveled my paladin from 1-70 using autohotkey and dual logging with my hunter. I never had issues. But I didn't mention it to anyone ingame, I just said I had 2 computers. Now I have 2computers, and honestly I think it was simplier with autohotkey but well.
Keyclone is actually legal, there was a post about it on the forums since it just mimics what having multiple comps does.
Edit: Autohotkey can be bannable because you can macro stuff with it, keyclone has no functions like that.
However, there's still a limit between what's acceptably illegal(having a program that sends commands to a dual log client when you press keys or talk) and what's not(botting your way from 1 to 60 without ever playing the char). From my experience, as long as you don't make waves and don't do stuff that will annoy other people or give you an advantage(such as exploiting loot or what not), blizzard won't bother finding you and banning you.
I leveled my paladin from 1-70 using autohotkey and dual logging with my hunter. I never had issues. But I didn't mention it to anyone ingame, I just said I had 2 computers. Now I have 2computers, and honestly I think it was simplier with autohotkey but well.
There is nothing illegal about using keyclone, clonekeys (mac), or such, while playing WOW. First off as mentioned in other posts there are plenty of links and screen captures of Blizzard employees stating such. I have single boxed three players at one time and believe me people notice, you can't hide it unless your not within sight of anyone. Even using addons to forward tells was fine... (setting DND to say talk to X was just fine for GMs on Eitrigg who came and chatted - hell I got a few "keep it ups")
They can ban you for anything in WOW and not provide you a reason, so why make the claim? If you are not changing the behaviour of the client, modifying Blizzard provided data, nor interfering with the data stream you are outside the scope of the EULA and TOC.
I know many people with G15s and I always wondered what Blizzard had to say about those but they are oddly silent when asked on forums, used to be the posts vanished but I haven't followed that issue as I use a mac and a G15 is not something I need on it.
As to the subject at hand, the fastest route to leveling new characters in my opinion is to have a hunter and a healer on a second account. Use the hunter to move the character around to flight points, run instances from ZF and down, and the healer out of group until whatever level you choose.
I guess it depends on what you are using it for. If you use keyclone or autohotkey to duplicate keystrokes to multiple computers/windows, you aren't doing anything wrong. If you use it to actually automate something so that you just have to hold down a button, then you have a problem. Generally, the rule of thumb is 1 press of a physical button = 1 keystroke (or modifier + keystroke) is okay, more is not.
I've been using the Lightheaded/TomTom/Cartographer setup for a while now and a few people on another forum I manage suggested questHelper and MobMap were better.
So I tried out both last night on my new priest and was very, very impressed. Level 12 to 18 in around 5 hours, in a zone I had never done before. Currently sitting at level 18 with 14 hours /played.
questHelper takes your quest log, builds an optimal route and shows it on your map/minimap complete with tips on what you have to do at each location too.
MobMap is a database of every item, mob, quest and NPC in the game with quick search links from your quest log as well as your normal search features. Great for finding all the quests in a zone etc..
Highly recommend it over the lightheaded set-up, that said the 2 will not conflict with each other.
Edit: The poster directly above beat me to it a little but the relevance of some of the following information is still useful.
Briefly, I was only able to find one mention of a mod called "Quest Helper." Think of it as wowhead in real time. It dynamically marks your map with different icons depending on the type of quest objective is given (collect, kill X number, etc). The mod also provides a minimap icon when in proximity or an arrow pointing to the objective when not, Those same icons are provided on the world map with a dotted line providing a guide or order to objectives. It updates in near real time as you get more quest objectives or move to new locations in the word via hearthstone/portal etc.
I rarely need to use wowhead any more to find quest objectives. This dramatically improves my ability to go from quest to quest with no stops. Hands down this mod facilitates questing better than any other utility available.
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I started a new char on the opposite faction and got level 40 recently. I need to at least buy my mount, but I'm quite bad at making money on any character in this game who isn't a level 70 epic flying herbalist/miner. That said, I'm about to transfer over some money from my main, but I can't really decide what a good allowance would be for him to make it to about 60 comfortably (without any frills) and without having to worry about money.
What I've calculated so far:
lvl 40 riding - 75g
lvl 40 mount - 9g
lvl 60 riding - 480g*
lvl 60 mount - free/pvp
4x imbued netherweave bags - 120g
respec allowance (arms warrior lol respecs every new weapon)- 100g
training new skills - let's say 50g
full suit of lvl 58 TBC greens probably- 100g
Sitting right at about 930 gold.
Am I forgetting anything that would be considered necessary?
*I need to buy this to be able to purchase the 225 riding skill for flying mount, right?
I wouldn't bother getting a whole suit of 58 TBC greens, since you're usually better off getting the ones from quests in outlands (they're really, really good!), and then fill out whatever is left with 58-60 greens. Also, if you make some money on that alt as you level, then it helps make it cost less for your main to support him. Overall, I would give an allowance of maybe around 900g, although I know that when I went from 1-60 with my main, it probably cost a lot more of that because I bought equipment more often.
Well you could transfer to him lots of the things directlly, such as the bags/TBC greens.
Also if you are going to be sending him money best to do it through mats (if your a miner adamantite works well or rare gems) and have him resell them on the other faction AH so you dont loose the 10% (?) from blackwater AH cut.
Some questions about QuestHelper, I've noticed that when viewing a turn in objective on the map, it'll state the NPC and the quest that needs to be turned in at that position, but it won't state your progress for that quest, is there anyway to show the progress for turn in locations as well? Note that if the quest requires you to kill mob X, it'll show the progress at mob X's position, but not at NPC Y's turn in location.
Also, is there a way to give suggested routes for picking up quests, quests that you don't already have, perhaps giving it a zone and asking it to plot a course to finish all quests in that area, even for quests that you haven't found yet?
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So far dualboxing is working perfectly - i am constantly followed by a 70 druid or priest , and one single renew/rejub is enough to let me alive with
4-5 mobs on me.
I use hots because its easyer to do on-the-fly - no need to stop so you can be healed with casting time spells.
A good thing to notice is that you almost never get ganked with a 70 towering around you. And if you do you just res yourself and continue,
after you eat the ganker alive of course.
For now i am using this rotation - run around spaming piercing howl (demo shout lowers the rage incomming) , after i get 4-5 mobs i stop , hit cleave
and start spaming slams on one mob. Used to do clap before the cleave/slam but i am now just standing in berzerker stance
and switching hurts my rage alot. I am inpatiently waiting for whirlwind on 36 lvl so i can get more aoe to keep mobs on me
instead of them going for my healer. Rend isnt an option - with imp slam all my free rage should go for it.
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So far dualboxing is working perfectly - i am constantly followed by a 70 druid or priest , and one single renew/rejub is enough to let me alive with
4-5 mobs on me.
I use hots because its easyer to do on-the-fly - no need to stop so you can be healed with casting time spells.
A good thing to notice is that you almost never get ganked with a 70 towering around you. And if you do you just res yourself and continue,
after you eat the ganker alive of course.
For now i am using this rotation - run around spaming piercing howl (demo shout lowers the rage incomming) , after i get 4-5 mobs i stop , hit cleave
and start spaming slams on one mob. Used to do clap before the cleave/slam but i am now just standing in berzerker stance
and switching hurts my rage alot. I am inpatiently waiting for whirlwind on 36 lvl so i can get more aoe to keep mobs on me
instead of them going for my healer. Rend isnt an option - with imp slam all my free rage should go for it.
I you have a priest it is faster to level to 40 (45 if you are not bored to death with monastery) by doing the DOTnRun technique in the cathedral.
40 and above switch to quests + priest on follow in dual boxing.
I you have a priest it is faster to level to 40 (45 if you are not bored to death with monastery) by doing the DOTnRun technique in the cathedral.
40 and above switch to quests + priest on follow in dual boxing.
On this note, is a Holy priest viable for this kind of thing, or would you need to respec and switch to +dmg gear (still possible, but slightly annoying)
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I you have a priest it is faster to level to 40 (45 if you are not bored to death with monastery) by doing the DOTnRun technique in the cathedral.
40 and above switch to quests + priest on follow in dual boxing.
What chars did i try to aoe the sm cath with ( i have large variety of chars available to try ) :
Demo Lock - isnt realy viable , too slow to seed 5 mobs that just die too far spread out , if you try to pull more at once - you will never get the seed out because of the all pushback. Maybe aff with siphon life would work better , but i realy think mage is the king in sm solo aoeing.
Hunter - well you can send pet and shoot mobs one by one with occasional multyshot , but its realy slow and its not worth the hassle of all the tab targeting. Its 100% safe but slow.
Priest - dot and run - you are oom after 20 mobs and you have to target them one by one to apply the dot.
After that i just decided to use the druid tank with swipes , worked good , slower of course , but no real danger or hassle out of the "my swipe key gonna break" :P
Priest isnt even closer to what a mage is capable.I have a mage , full pvp gear but ... on the same account
Literaly last levels to 30 was doin with bear aoe - pull 12+ mobs and swipe them to death while getting healed from the leader of the pack.
But i must say the mage alternative is way faster (seen it from the both sides of the group - both follow and beeng the mage).
I am so bored of sm cath that i prefer doing quests or outdoor world warrior cleave farming with a 70 tied on me as dual boxed healer.
On this note, is a Holy priest viable for this kind of thing, or would you need to respec and switch to +dmg gear (still possible, but slightly annoying)
Holy priest is very viable as long as you have +damage gear. I used a holy priest with ~950 damage to get to level DoT run to 40 and it worked out fine.
Holy priest is very viable as long as you have +damage gear. I used a holy priest with ~950 damage to get to level DoT run to 40 and it worked out fine.
My priest is badly geared, so anyone really can do this. It has no pvp gear whatsoever. We are talking monastery here ;-)
Here is the rule:
you need to pull 4 mobs at a time.
Put show nameplates, it will help you select mobs and reapply the DOTs.
The pull:
DOT 4 mobs with pain rank 5 or 6, the idea is after a full run of pain they sit at 40%
Once you dotted the mobs run and stand by the portal but do not leave yet.
Shield and wait for the first round of DOTs to finish. If mobs are hitting too hard, fear to let the DOTs eat them without taking damage.
Wait for the mobs to hit you 2-3 seconds, their nameplate will stop moving around in your screen if you stop moving.
Target the mobs one by one, reapplying the DOTs from the one with most HP to the one with least HP.
Once you dotted the last one, wait for one tick and Fear then leave the instance.
02/19/08, 2:22 PM
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