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03/14/08, 9:00 AM
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#601
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Stormrage
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I don't have "Mains" on this server, this is kinda a test to see how fast I can get completely new characters up to 70.
I do have assist as well as follow macros, I bind them to the numpad.
Also thanks for the great advice on downtime regarding healers and melee, you would have thought after the first ten levels I would have caught on having to wait for mana or drink after a few mobs.
I do know who is going to be set to assist now.
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03/14/08, 9:41 AM
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#602
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Stormrage
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Originally Posted by ZeroWashu
It sounds like your ghetto-boxing, not dual-boxing. The difference is use of tools to have keystrokes shared between sessions and having the macros to back it up. Just using two PCs side by side or two sessions doesn't cut it. You have to connect them with a keystroke forwarder/clone and good in game macros
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I have done my research on the topic, before I posted here, I just was missing a few things that you guys actually clued me into. I truely appreciate the feedback and as far as ghetto boxing goes, that is not the case. I did for a while but I have had twoboxtoolkit (I believe that is the mod) and keyclone for about a month now.
I also use the new lightheaded mod and strictly avoid crappy drop rate quests.
Thanks again for the feedback.
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03/14/08, 10:22 AM
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#603
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Banned
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Originally Posted by shezmu
I have done my research on the topic, before I posted here, I just was missing a few things that you guys actually clued me into. I truely appreciate the feedback and as far as ghetto boxing goes, that is not the case. I did for a while but I have had twoboxtoolkit (I believe that is the mod) and keyclone for about a month now.
I also use the new lightheaded mod and strictly avoid crappy drop rate quests.
Thanks again for the feedback.
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Well make sure to check out Multiboxing - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft and its related pages. I put the links to each associated page at the top of the multiboxing articles; as in, yeah I wrote these for wowwiki.com because the original page someone provided was a cluttered mess filled with personal views instead of concerned with how to.
The real key is macros, specifically using macros with modifiers. One caveat, you cannot set focus to another player who is not grouped with you but you can drop group after establishing focus. Focus will then only be lost if that character moves out of range of the other or uses a portal effect.
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03/14/08, 5:35 PM
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#604
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by Karoo
I don't see how it's any different than using voice command.
I'd be at my computer hitting keys to get the paladin to heal me except I wouldn't have to click his WoW window to do it. I could do it from my Warlock's WoW Window. It basically just eliminates 2 mouse clicks and nothing else.
I am still deciding what spell he needs to cast and when he needs to cast it. Not an algorithm.
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It's entirely different in the mind of Blizzard and I urge you to understand the hair-splitting difference. If you are talking to one PC from one another you are giving it a command. They've deemed this behavior acceptable. You are telling character B what to do via voice. You might be handicapped for all Blizzard knows and banning this behavior would be highly questionable on their part.
If you use whispercast to automate box b's actions, allowing box b to play autonomously, then you are botting. That's been how the rule has been for a while. You can't automate the WoW client on a second machine, altho you can control it. In fact, that's why whispercast doesn't do anything interesting without user input.
A ridiculous example to illustrate this point is Advanced Trade Skill Window. You can queue up multiple potion combines say 40 Adept's Elxirs and 40 Major Magebloods. You make the first group but you have to hit a hit a key to make the next group. You can't not hit the key in between or the mod would run afoul of the "user intervention rules".
You want to hack whispercast to make it a botting tool, you should feel free. But if you still with cross-computer macro-binding or voice commands you will stay on the right side of the rules. If you start changing the client -- via addons -- to take actions, you won't.
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03/14/08, 6:26 PM
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#605
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Mideci
But if you still with cross-computer macro-binding or voice commands you will stay on the right side of the rules. If you start changing the client -- via addons -- to take actions, you won't.
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That last sentence is what I see as the real distinction between legal multiboxing and botting: It stays legal to send keypresses to multiple computers or to other windows; it is not legal to have something inside of WoW that takes an instruction and changes it into a keypress. In fact, the way I see it, whispercast as it is is very close to breaking these rules, but slides by only because it cannot be used for combat actions. I would definently check on that one though, because it seems like a very similar application. The main abuse that I see of it would be creating a macro that whispers yourself and does an action, because this would automate said action indefinently. Other than that, I don't see how a combat-usable whispercast would be any more abusable than voicecommand or something that sends keystrokes to other windows.
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03/14/08, 11:25 PM
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#606
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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Wasn't whispercast changed a -long- time ago to require a keypress?
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03/15/08, 8:01 AM
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#607
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Great Tiger
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If you read the post I responded to, it sure appears the goal is to use whisper cast to send a command to another wow session and have it do something in combat. I suspect whisper cast isn't configured to cast a flash of light for a reason, but regardless, you just don't want to be running mods or modding mods to automate WoW functions.
If you can send a command to another box via voice or through a keyboard that can send commands to two different places, you are much less likely to run afoul of Blizzard. Why take chances?
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03/16/08, 7:08 PM
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#608
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Bald Bull
Trouble
Blood Elf Druid
No WoW Account
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Just wanted to share my experiences power leveling a mage up. We started at level 28 with about a day and a half played. I didn't do anything special to 28, it was just a character to fool around on and AOE. Our goal was to hit 70 in as short a time as humanly possible. Ultimately it took us a week of playing to go from 28 to 70 (3 days /played roughly). When I hit 70 my total was 4 days 16 hours /played, including the time wasted prior to level 28. Here's what we did:
From 28 to 42 Scarlet Monastary Cathedral DoT powerleveling. The 70 was a Warlock in arena gear. 13k hitpoints, SL/SL, 1050 spell damage fully buffed with consumables and whatnot. Could have gone to Zul'Farrak at 40 but the warlock hated the zone with a passion.
From 42 to 45 your only option is Zul'Farrak. Pulling stuff while mounted it wasn't too bad, but still painful.
From 45 to 55 we did BRD. Having tested other instances and power question, I'd recommend staying in BRD until 56. Even though the XP per mob drops off quick past 53 or so it's still faster than any other option. 54-56 will be 40-50 minute levels which will be slower than you're used to, but again there is nothing faster. Need the Shadowforge key, pulling the level 51-52 melee guys and fire guys through the locked gates. Avoid the Highway.
From 55 to 58 we power quested through WPL and EPL. Just stacked up all the kill quests and had the warlock killing the mobs as fast as possible. Definitely the low point in enjoyability, but still managed hour and a half levels or so, maybe two hours. Extra XP was gained by doing all five sets of cloth quartermaster turn ins and the Light's Hope Chapel tier 3 armor turn ins. All combined these turn-ins are worth about a level when you're in your mid 50's.
At 58 we went to Outlands and powered through Hellfire quests in the same manner. I ultimately ended up following Jame's Horde Leveling guide to 65 because it makes sure you're maximizing your time and not missing any quests. Had to do a half level grinding session from 61.5 to 62 due to coming to Outlands early. This completely sucked and was very slow.
We did a few instances with level 70 guildies. Doing instances like Mana Tombs with 2-3 70's is probably your fastest source of XP assuming you don't care about rep. Rep is important though so we mostly power quested all the way to 70. Having the warlock to power through kill quests more than made up for XP lost from mob kills. You can usually make up for lost XP by powering through group quests that you might normally skip due to not being able to find a group. The two of us could do pretty much any group quest up until the Netherstorm 5 man ones. We finished all the quests in Hellfire, Zangar, Terrokar, and Nagrand. Skipped Blade's Edge entirely. Did everything in Netherstorm aside from the Manaforge Ultris hub quests and the 5 person group quests. Hit 70 by burning through the easy Shadowmoon quests.
We wasted a decent amount of time along the way figuring out that certain things didn't work. Things like wasting time in Scholo realizing that it sucks for DoT powerleveling. Using what we learned along the way, I'm pretty confident we could power a character from level 8 (starting in Ragefire, then Wailing Caverns at 12, then Razorfen Kraul at 15, then SM at 20, not sure where we'd start as alliance) to 70 in 3.5 days /played.
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03/16/08, 11:56 PM
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#609
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Piston Honda
Draenei Shaman
Windrunner
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Originally Posted by Trouble
At 58 we went to Outlands and powered through Hellfire quests in the same manner. I ultimately ended up following Jame's Horde Leveling guide to 65 because it makes sure you're maximizing your time and not missing any quests. Had to do a half level grinding session from 61.5 to 62 due to coming to Outlands early. This completely sucked and was very slow.
We did a few instances with level 70 guildies. Doing instances like Mana Tombs with 2-3 70's is probably your fastest source of XP assuming you don't care about rep. Rep is important though so we mostly power quested all the way to 70. Having the warlock to power through kill quests more than made up for XP lost from mob kills. You can usually make up for lost XP by powering through group quests that you might normally skip due to not being able to find a group. The two of us could do pretty much any group quest up until the Netherstorm 5 man ones. We finished all the quests in Hellfire, Zangar, Terrokar, and Nagrand. Skipped Blade's Edge entirely. Did everything in Netherstorm aside from the Manaforge Ultris hub quests and the 5 person group quests. Hit 70 by burning through the easy Shadowmoon quests.
We wasted a decent amount of time along the way figuring out that certain things didn't work. Things like wasting time in Scholo realizing that it sucks for DoT powerleveling. Using what we learned along the way, I'm pretty confident we could power a character from level 8 (starting in Ragefire, then Wailing Caverns at 12, then Razorfen Kraul at 15, then SM at 20, not sure where we'd start as alliance) to 70 in 3.5 days /played.
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As far as outlands and rep building, what about power runs through instances? With the lower rep requirement for heroic's now you can get the key for the hellfire heroics at 60 probably. I'm not sure what the lockout level is for heroics, and it would require you to have more than one friend/guildy helping though.
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03/17/08, 10:15 AM
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#610
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Banned
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A fun thing to do at lvl 67-69 for alliance (the horde counterpart probably works too) is go to SMV and do the quest for spectracles, then go to the inn.
You can grind on the 6 mobs there inside the inn and gain rested exp while you grind 
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03/17/08, 10:30 AM
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#611
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Banned
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Originally Posted by Howard Roark
A fun thing to do at lvl 67-69 for alliance (the horde counterpart probably works too) is go to SMV and do the quest for spectracles, then go to the inn.
You can grind on the 6 mobs there inside the inn and gain rested exp while you grind 
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oh that is hilarious. They have normal drops from I remember as well. Granted your XP will out run your rested its just too fun. Its not like you have to worry about adds either.
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03/17/08, 1:58 PM
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#612
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Banned
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Originally Posted by ZeroWashu
oh that is hilarious. They have normal drops from I remember as well. Granted your XP will out run your rested its just too fun. Its not like you have to worry about adds either.
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Yep they drop the usual 10-20s each and a few cloth every so often. I did it for a while today and did eventually, uhh, overlap my rested exp so every kill started getting only 25 bonus exp. But hey, better than nothing- and it's no worse than any other grinding spot.
Works especially well if you're playstyle is like mine was today, working on something else and just alt tabbing in and out every minute or so. Not optimal for focused grinding sessions, but absolutely zero risk of anything going wrong.
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03/19/08, 6:00 PM
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#613
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Von Kaiser
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I am currently working on an alt warrior, at 66, full rested, having just starting the northern caravan quests above the Auchidoun in terokkar. My goal is to have all of smv and netherstorm untouched at 70. Should Nagrand+BEM quests + rested kill xp be enough to hit that, or am I going to need to instance?
On a related note, this char is aldor, and I will want to AOE grind for that on my mage, is there a great place to aoe for aldor, say better than Mana Forge B'Naar in Nether for Sun Furies or will I be better of grinding sunfuries and trading?
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03/19/08, 6:42 PM
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#614
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snow hook
Fiddler Asmik
Orc Warrior
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by magnetic
On a related note, this char is aldor, and I will want to AOE grind for that on my mage, is there a great place to aoe for aldor, say better than Mana Forge B'Naar in Nether for Sun Furies or will I be better of grinding sunfuries and trading?
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Legion Hold in SMV has a good aldor mage grind spot.
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03/19/08, 8:20 PM
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#615
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Piston Honda
Daigo
Dwarf Priest
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by magnetic
I am currently working on an alt warrior, at 66, full rested, having just starting the northern caravan quests above the Auchidoun in terokkar. My goal is to have all of smv and netherstorm untouched at 70. Should Nagrand+BEM quests + rested kill xp be enough to hit that, or am I going to need to instance?
On a related note, this char is aldor, and I will want to AOE grind for that on my mage, is there a great place to aoe for aldor, say better than Mana Forge B'Naar in Nether for Sun Furies or will I be better of grinding sunfuries and trading?
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My shaman just hit lvl 68 with just Exarch quests from the camp in SW Terrokar left, and I have all of Nagrand/BEM/Netherstorm/SMV quests untouched. I took the opposite approach of what you're planning since I tried instancing as much as I can when I had rested xp, then questing when LFG doesn't get me a group.
I think there is roughly 1.5 level's worth of xp from questing in Terrokar, 2 level's worth of xp in Nagrand, and 1.5 level's worth of xp in BEM so you should be able to quest right up to 70 and probably have much of BEM untouched if you have full rested.
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03/19/08, 8:31 PM
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#616
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by magnetic
I am currently working on an alt warrior, at 66, full rested, having just starting the northern caravan quests above the Auchidoun in terokkar. My goal is to have all of smv and netherstorm untouched at 70. Should Nagrand+BEM quests + rested kill xp be enough to hit that, or am I going to need to instance?
On a related note, this char is aldor, and I will want to AOE grind for that on my mage, is there a great place to aoe for aldor, say better than Mana Forge B'Naar in Nether for Sun Furies or will I be better of grinding sunfuries and trading?
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With full rested at 66 and still not even in Nagrand yet you will definitely not need to touch smv or netherstorm at all to hit 70 so long as you do all the elite quests in Nagrand. In fact you may not even finish BEM before you hit 70.
Doing instances even just for the quest completions tied to them is worth it though. Makes it that much easier to have more solo quests available to you at 70.
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03/20/08, 7:22 AM
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#617
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Originally Posted by magnetic
I am currently working on an alt warrior, at 66, full rested, having just starting the northern caravan quests above the Auchidoun in terokkar. My goal is to have all of smv and netherstorm untouched at 70. Should Nagrand+BEM quests + rested kill xp be enough to hit that, or am I going to need to instance?
On a related note, this char is aldor, and I will want to AOE grind for that on my mage, is there a great place to aoe for aldor, say better than Mana Forge B'Naar in Nether for Sun Furies or will I be better of grinding sunfuries and trading?
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Leave the Ring of Blood until 70 as well. That and the Elite chain with the dragon rider in Nagrand. Both are much more worthwhile at 70 just because of the gold payouts, its not like any of the items are worth it at 70.
You can also grind up some ogres if you need the patterns/recipes sold by either Consortium/Kurenai. Besides Ogres are a great source of cloth/junk in Nagrand
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03/20/08, 8:20 AM
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#618
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Rogue
Trollbane (EU)
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I've got a question: I've been lvling a druid and at the moment i'm using a Dense Triangle Mace. Now according to a few posts from this thread the best enchant at my lvl is Fiery enchant. Therefore i have enchanted the Mace with Fiery but it doesn't proc. Do weapon/enchant procs not work with druids in Bear/Car form?
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03/20/08, 8:58 AM
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#619
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Soda Popinski
Umph
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Jehryn
I've got a question: I've been lvling a druid and at the moment i'm using a Dense Triangle Mace. Now according to a few posts from this thread the best enchant at my lvl is Fiery enchant. Therefore i have enchanted the Mace with Fiery but it doesn't proc. Do weapon/enchant procs not work with druids in Bear/Car form?
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They don't, as you are technically not using the weapon, but using your paws instead.
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03/20/08, 10:46 AM
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Glass Joe
Draenei Death Knight
Velen
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In regards to the discussion about Outland leveling and reserving zones for cash. I have done three characters now that have had BEM, SMV and Netherstorm free for quest gold. It is fairly easy to do if you come in at 60 and do every quest in Hellfire, Zangarmarsh and Terrokkar. On my last trip up, I tried to do as much instance grinding as possible, but the state of pug availability on Hellscream meant that the only instances I could reliably find groups for were Ramparts and Durnhold. A Blood Furnace group was somewhat common, but the lower level non heroic Coilfang and Auchindoun instances are mostly ghost towns.
If you want to stop to do some grinding, I would suggest combining it with faction grinding of some sort. I would suggest grinding for Firewing Signets if your faction generally controls the Bone Waste as the 5% damage and exp buff is pretty sweet. If you are not going Scryer, the Signets still AH fairly well 50s to 1g if you are lucky. Aldor grinding in Nagrand at the Killsorrow fortress is good as well through the shadow priest/mage pats can be annoying when you are in the central area. Another place to consider for grinding are the boglords in Zangarmarsh. Gather bog lord tendrils for Sporeggar for an alt and Unidentified Plant Parts for CE rep - 320 should take you from 0 Neutral to Honored. I have found the higher level non starving ones in the south to be a bit easier as they do not have that stacking dot/root thing that sucks if you don't have an easy way to clear it.
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03/20/08, 11:28 AM
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Piston Honda
Tauren Warrior
The Venture Co
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World of Raids :: Index just posted this:
Level 70 in 1 day and 2 hours
Yesterday evening, several members of Blizzard team were watching two players, and when we asked them the reason, they told us these players were breaking the speed-leveling record and they managed to do 1-60 in 14 hours.
It turned out that these two players are not totally unknown, they are named Mineva (Stormscale-EU) and Athene (you might have heard of his *videos*), and they have broken the world record in powerleveling (without rested exp) a character to level 70: 1 day, 2 hours and 31 minutes.
This record happened on the European Stormscale realm.
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Screenshot: http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/mar...cordmineva.jpg
The character powerleveled was a paladin: The World of Warcraft Armory
In the screenshot there's a mage: The World of Warcraft Armory
and the legendary paladin, Athene: The World of Warcraft Armory
Both paladins can be seen in steam vaults in the screenshot, mage can be seen on the minimap.
Other than 5999/6000 friendly with cenarion expedition, the powerleveled character appears to have no outland rep, no 2h weapon, not even a shield (same as in the screenshot).
Any theories as to how this powerlevel was pulled off?
Edit: Corrected to worldofraids, not mmo-champion.
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03/20/08, 11:32 AM
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by magnetic
I am currently working on an alt warrior, at 66, full rested, having just starting the northern caravan quests above the Auchidoun in terokkar. My goal is to have all of smv and netherstorm untouched at 70. Should Nagrand+BEM quests + rested kill xp be enough to hit that, or am I going to need to instance?
On a related note, this char is aldor, and I will want to AOE grind for that on my mage, is there a great place to aoe for aldor, say better than Mana Forge B'Naar in Nether for Sun Furies or will I be better of grinding sunfuries and trading?
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I recently got my shaman to 70 without (much) rested experience. I skipped most of the Shat'ar quests in terokkor and never finished nagrand. I did a few instances and ground(?) very little (arrakoa feathers mostly). Although I did do a few quests in netherstorm for gear, it wasnt many. My goal was not to save the quests for money though, just to get to 70 asap. It seems (to me) that there are better ways to make money than finishing out the quest, but they are a nice way to rep up with aldor. 
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03/20/08, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jehryn
I've got a question: I've been lvling a druid and at the moment i'm using a Dense Triangle Mace. Now according to a few posts from this thread the best enchant at my lvl is Fiery enchant. Therefore i have enchanted the Mace with Fiery but it doesn't proc. Do weapon/enchant procs not work with druids in Bear/Car form?
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Nope.
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03/20/08, 11:55 AM
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#624
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Originally Posted by jerry247
I recently got my shaman to 70 without (much) rested experience. I skipped most of the Shat'ar quests in terokkor and never finished nagrand. I did a few instances and ground(?) very little (arrakoa feathers mostly). Although I did do a few quests in netherstorm for gear, it wasnt many. My goal was not to save the quests for money though, just to get to 70 asap. It seems (to me) that there are better ways to make money than finishing out the quest, but they are a nice way to rep up with aldor. 
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Best place is in SMV at the 3 pylons. Killing the necro's for Fel arms, and marks.
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03/20/08, 11:57 AM
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#625
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Originally Posted by rayijin
World of Raids :: Index just posted this:
Any theories as to how this powerlevel was pulled off?
Edit: Corrected to worldofraids, not mmo-champion.
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It would be interesting to see all their their faction levels, that would clue us in on some of it.
There is a list around somewhere of quests you can buy mats off the AH for. I am sure that kill quests could have been used for quick XP here and there.... but I expect lots of logging off and on due to instance resets. Ports and summons arranged to reduce travel times. There are lots of tricks.
62+ would be tag and go kills for quests.
Just some ideas
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