Twinking tricks/Leveling alts - Page 29

ZeroWashu · 04/30/08, 5:55 AM

Originally Posted by Tayluca

In your opinion, with this group makeup, would it be wiser to continue with the group questing as we've been doing with attempts into 3 manning some instances for instance quests or would a mix of boosting from the higher level toons at our disposal be more effective in terms of speed leveling? Our original goal was to level the lower toons to 70 together but if there is a phenomenal way to do it otherwise so that we can play together at 70 sooner, I would love to hear it.

Do all your overland quests together.

When it comes to instances I would not suggest attempting to three-man them. Instead I would suggest taking two low levels and one of the high levels. This means the pally will likely get run twice as the rogue isn't sufficient but the hunter & paladin from other accounts is). this leaves catching the druid up, you could always pull him through on a spare day to make up.

Try to keep all the characters within one level.

I cannot suggest AOE with your mage at your level, perhaps by 27 or 28 which is where I think frost aoe starts to work. With three accounts though you would probably be faster having all participate in combat and just pull mobs in singles and pairs as fast as you can tag them.

Cranberry · 05/03/08, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by ZeroWashu

Do all your overland quests together.

When it comes to instances I would not suggest attempting to three-man them. Instead I would suggest taking two low levels and one of the high levels. This means the pally will likely get run twice as the rogue isn't sufficient but the hunter & paladin from other accounts is). this leaves catching the druid up, you could always pull him through on a spare day to make up.

Try to keep all the characters within one level.

I cannot suggest AOE with your mage at your level, perhaps by 27 or 28 which is where I think frost aoe starts to work. With three accounts though you would probably be faster having all participate in combat and just pull mobs in singles and pairs as fast as you can tag them.

I started AOE grinding on my mage at 14 on gnolls in Westfall. Round them up spamming AE, frost nova, keep spamming. They die before they can kill you, typically.

Nizghalad · 05/05/08, 6:28 AM

A guildie of mine who has 5 lvl 70 toons advises PL'ing in Sunken Temple from lvl35-50+, because of this mob : Zolo - NPCs - World of Warcraft.
He says Atal'ai Skeleton Totem - Spells - World of Warcraft is really good if you have a warrior to dps the skeletons continuously.
Does anyone have more information about this? I unfortunately don't have any means to test that myself now.

Ja7us · 05/05/08, 6:59 AM

He summons totems that churn out skeletons every few seconds. Presumably you park your fury warrior 30 yards away and just mop up the skeletons as they spawn.

Amril · 05/06/08, 2:55 AM

Why a fury warrior? Would a mage work?

Anedris · 05/06/08, 7:29 AM

Mana.

(Which the warrior does not run out of.)

A warrior is also unaffected by pushback and takes comparatively little damage (I assume Zolo would be beating on the skelly-killer the entire time).

Though I don't know how many hit points the skells have or how many spawn at once. Depending on how fast they move, how much pushback they cause, and how much damage they do, it's also probable that other classes could manage.

Fulkin · 05/07/08, 9:23 AM

I found a little bug last night that is important so ill share it, I was using a low level staff (th one mages start with) enchanted with +30 spell power to increase my spell damage on my new toons. My mage and priest have both used it and it was all good.... until I sent it to my new shaman. I equipped it and started leveling away, after an hour or so i decided to log on my priest and do a few levels on him and BAM! the staff had become soulbound! I got no warning of it so I contacted a GM, he basically said tuff shit its soulbound, when I asked why it happened he said it was because of my low level which cant be true so i asked if it was a bug with the race and he said thats probly it so if your swapping items around dont send it to the TBC races (well dreanei anyway)

Serik · 05/07/08, 9:40 AM

Did you check to see if you had a shaman weapon buff on it when you tried to mail it? Rockbiter, Flametongue etc. will make weapons soulbound for the duration of the buff, but they *should* become transferable if the buff is clicked off or expires.

ZeroWashu · 05/07/08, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Serik

Did you check to see if you had a shaman weapon buff on it when you tried to mail it? Rockbiter, Flametounge etc. will make weapons soulbound for the duration of the buff, but they *should* become transferable if the buff is clicked off or expires.

Have to agree its something other than a bug as I swap some tux pants with spellthread on them all the time and I nothing but expansion race characters low enough to use them at this time

Prinsesa · 05/07/08, 11:58 AM

AFAIK, applying Rogue poisons will cause even white/grey weapons to soulbind to the Rogue permanently, and I would expect the same to happen to Shaman weapon enchants.

Quickshiv · 05/07/08, 2:09 PM

I checked out Zolo last night just to see how viable it would be. I was on my lvl 70 rogue. The skeletons spawn about one every 2 seconds or so. Very fast. I just stood back and watched them pop a while and it was like a snake trap going off eventually. I didn't think to check how many hit points they have but they are 46-49 non elites. I think you will have to let a few spawn then kill the totem then kill the skeletons and wait for another totem. I only killed a couple of the skeletons and it seemed like they were on par with what a normal 46-49 mob would be. Zolo hit me for about 95-98 damage and I fully resisted all of his magical attacks. After about 30 seconds of fighting the skeletons I was down about 4000 HP. I think you would need a healer even with a warrior if you wanted to sustain the farming indefinitely. Demoralizing shout will also help out a lot. If one of the lower levels is a healer that should be enough as long as they don't pull ago.

The 35+ should be able to stand up the stairs out of the way and still get xp. It should be a nice setup.

Serik · 05/07/08, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

AFAIK, applying Rogue poisons will cause even white/grey weapons to soulbind to the Rogue permanently, and I would expect the same to happen to Shaman weapon enchants.

Granted, I'm not inclined to go through the expense of enchanting the weapon just to see if it makes a difference, but upon removing the poison, the weapon is no longer soulbound. You do indeed get a message stating that it will bind to you when you try to apply the poison. There is no such warning for shaman applying a weapon buff, but just the same as with the rogue, the weapon "unbound" upon clicking off the buff. I tested today with a 70 BE Rogue + white dagger, and a 34 Troll Shaman + white 2H axe. I'd love to see the results of someone testing with an enchanted weapon, but I'm fairly confident that it makes no difference.

fip · 05/07/08, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by Quickshiv

I checked out Zolo last night just to see how viable it would be. I was on my lvl 70 rogue. The skeletons spawn about one every 2 seconds or so. Very fast. I just stood back and watched them pop a while and it was like a snake trap going off eventually. I didn't think to check how many hit points they have but they are 46-49 non elites. I think you will have to let a few spawn then kill the totem then kill the skeletons and wait for another totem. I only killed a couple of the skeletons and it seemed like they were on par with what a normal 46-49 mob would be. Zolo hit me for about 95-98 damage and I fully resisted all of his magical attacks. After about 30 seconds of fighting the skeletons I was down about 4000 HP. I think you would need a healer even with a warrior if you wanted to sustain the farming indefinitely. Demoralizing shout will also help out a lot. If one of the lower levels is a healer that should be enough as long as they don't pull ago.

The 35+ should be able to stand up the stairs out of the way and still get xp. It should be a nice setup.

How much XP is the alt getting per kill? I guess that's the real question, because a 70 killing 46-49 non-elites and having a 35 grouped doesn't sound like amazing xp to me. What would your time-to-level be with this method?

Ele · 05/08/08, 5:53 AM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

AFAIK, applying Rogue poisons will cause even white/grey weapons to soulbind to the Rogue permanently, and I would expect the same to happen to Shaman weapon enchants.

I can confirm it's exactly as you say: I thought it'd have been quite an oversight otherwise. My shaman got a vendor white weapon that I intended to enchant with windfury and trade it to an alt, of course I wasn't able to (it's have been too good, wouldn't it?).

Fqubed · 05/08/08, 1:49 PM

Originally Posted by Quickshiv

resisted all of his magical attacks. After about 30 seconds of fighting the skeletons I was down about 4000 HP. I think you would need a healer even with a warrior if you wanted to sustain the farming indefinitely. Demoralizing shout will also help out a lot. If one of the lower levels is a healer that should be enough as long as they don't pull ago.

Rather than a war a shield wielding class, most any lvl 70 will have 100 block and thus take no damage from the skeletons. While I'm also wondering how much exp you would get to be able to make it really worthwhile.

ZeroWashu · 05/08/08, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by Fqubed

Rather than a war a shield wielding class, most any lvl 70 will have 100 block and thus take no damage from the skeletons. While I'm also wondering how much exp you would get to be able to make it really worthwhile.

There is a minimum damage you take from anything. While they won't hit you much you will take damage. Now a maximum evasion warrior/rogue/etc should simply end up dancing but I suspect they will take a few hits. There is a formula somewhere which showed the hits. Heck even my level 70 mage can be tagged by lower level mobs, as in single digit level mobs

As for XP gained, look to this page for the math Formulas:Mob XP - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

edit #2: Maximum damage reduction is capped at 75%. Meaning if they can hit you you will take damage. Per this page Formulas

amage reduction - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

doogless · 05/08/08, 3:41 PM

That 75% maximum is the max reduction from armor, not block. Read the page you linked yourself. Also read this - Formulas:Block - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Fqubed · 05/08/08, 3:43 PM

Thats from high armor values, armor mitigates how big a hit you take, block value means you can fully block attacks for 0 damage taken. If you have a warrior with enough avoidance to be at passive uncrushable (or pally) against low levels as long as you face them they do not touch you, you just block everything.

Xunwael · 05/08/08, 3:44 PM

The only risk a shield-wielding class with sufficient block faces against mobs that hit for less than he blocks is his shield breaking. Which it will - eventually... though it takes ages. My prot warrior managed to solo SM cath in one pull by equipping the sporeggar honored shield and standing in a corner while using the shattered halls trinket every cooldown (some of the mobs hit for way more than anybody in non-epic gear can block). Anyway, even that didn't break the shield but it got it yellow.

I suppose a protection paladin could just stand there and do concentration at random moments to kill everything.

Aranan · 05/08/08, 3:52 PM

I twinked my shaman out with a +30 spell damage staff that I applied rockbiter and flametongue to at various points. When I upgraded weapons (the 2.0 DPS was slowing me down compared to the +30 damage

) I just shipped the staff off to my level 2 priest who is currently holding it.

So, there's proof that if an item soulbinds from a shaman's weapon enchant buff it isn't permanent. At least it wasn't for me.

fip · 05/08/08, 6:18 PM

Yeah I'm sorry but the information on that wowwiki page is far too dense for me. Could someone who has tried it simply say how much xp the alt is getting from the skellies, and at what level?

Polgarra · 05/08/08, 8:16 PM

Gonna have to try this on my druid in bear form. No shield to worry about, high dodge rate and 20k hps. Oh and Imp LotP should work nicely.

fip · 05/08/08, 9:32 PM

Yeah I would love to use my Druid for it but he's on the same account as the characters I need to PL. Let me know how the XP goes for you.

TheCutlery · 05/08/08, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Quickshiv

I checked out Zolo last night just to see how viable it would be. I was on my lvl 70 rogue. The skeletons spawn about one every 2 seconds or so. Very fast. I just stood back and watched them pop a while and it was like a snake trap going off eventually. I didn't think to check how many hit points they have but they are 46-49 non elites. I think you will have to let a few spawn then kill the totem then kill the skeletons and wait for another totem. I only killed a couple of the skeletons and it seemed like they were on par with what a normal 46-49 mob would be. Zolo hit me for about 95-98 damage and I fully resisted all of his magical attacks. After about 30 seconds of fighting the skeletons I was down about 4000 HP. I think you would need a healer even with a warrior if you wanted to sustain the farming indefinitely. Demoralizing shout will also help out a lot. If one of the lower levels is a healer that should be enough as long as they don't pull ago.

The 35+ should be able to stand up the stairs out of the way and still get xp. It should be a nice setup.

I just went down there, I don't see how this works. Skeletons spawn pretty fast. 1 hit from a stormherald isn't enough to kill them. How does one kill the skeletons that quickly without using some kind of AE attack that would also kill Zolo indiscriminately?

Furthermore, if you're bringing a healer (I can't see how you wouldn't have to, as my warrior died up there when things got out of control and I couldn't get zolo down quick enough after I realized I was in trouble), how do you prevent the healer from getting aggro when you're not damaging Zolo/other skeletons?

On top of that, Zolo ran outta mana pretty quick. I can see the totems lasting a little while, but eventually he's not going to have the mana to keep summoning those.

Best thing I can think of is Prot Pally, do what prot pallies do...except consecrate/Ret Aura/BoSanc doesn't discriminate. Zolo is going to die. If he's going to die, then you have to reset the instance. If you have to reset the instance, it kind of kills the point of doing it.

Touf · 05/09/08, 2:51 AM

Don't know about the mana, but a feral druid, or Bloodthirst+Blood Craze+Syphon should be able to sustain indefinitely.