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Old 03/11/08, 9:51 AM   #586
ZeroWashu
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Originally Posted by pref View Post
Ive started my second mage, and im level 25 atm with 2 days played time. Im thinking of frost aoe grinding and was wondring if anyone has done it from 30-70 and has a /played they can share?

Im aware of it maybe being less viable since the exp changes, but questing can be pretty boring, and aoe grinding could still be faster.

Any experiences shared will be greatly appreciated
First, don't bother. Do the quests. AOE grinding looks cool but is a sure fire way to get aggravated. Bad pulls, other people showing up, all those things will make it not worth your time.

Your talent focus, if your doing this work solo, should be to put down the most damage as fast as possible. Combine with buying all the "wrath" gear you can get... wrath or +damage. Wizard oil when you have a level 35+ weapon. Don't bother with enchants other than speed enhancement. You could put +spelldamage on a staff but I would wait till you get the vexxing cane from ZF for that, it will last till you get your outlands gear. (getting the staff may be a bear as I have done it 12 times without it dropping and haven't heard of others getting it either).

Once your 40 and have a mount it becomes even quicker with just quests. The key to using quests to level and cut your played time (your excessive at 25) is to know where to go and when to go there. Its not a play style issue, your leveling speed is directly controlled by your knowledge of the game and how you use it.

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Old 03/11/08, 12:54 PM   #587
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Obviously there are a lot of quests that require you to kill mobs that cannot be aoed that well. However, one of the things that does keep me sane when I think about questing and grinding is to switch my mental set back and forth. by this I mean, if I'm killing mobs for a drop quest it can certianly get really frustrating. However, when I realize all of a sudden that I could just be grinding right now, so why not just "grind" on these guys. Then, after a half an hour, or hour, or whatever I'm either done with the quest of very close, so now I've gotten in some good grinding and on top of it gotten a quest to turn in as icing on the cake.

I think the main thing that people might be frustrated with is all of the riding around to get to the various quest/mob areas. People have listed mods that will help with that problem a couple pages back in the thread. Personally, I've used Jame's guide a couple of times and that does a good job of listing a quest order that doesn't leave you riding past mobs you need to kill only to back track later. However, after having used Jame's guide a couple of times I feel like I have a good idea where the mobs are for all the different quests in a given zone and I just prefer to keep it more free form.

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Old 03/12/08, 9:47 AM   #588
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I have access to a friends Paladin and wanted to use him for out of group healing on my warlock to power level.

I know it's not optimal since paladins have to stand and cast to heal but the bigger concern I'm having is that Whispercast doesn't seem to have options to whisper for a Flash of Light or Holy Light. It seems I can only whisper for cleanses and buffs.

I'd rather use whispercast than some of the other programs mentioned here (since it's a mod and not third party software) is there any way to customize whispercast to add more spells to it's repetoir or am I going to have to download one of these other programs to be able to do this?

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Old 03/12/08, 4:39 PM   #589
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I'm about 100% certain that if you could whisper to another toon and it would auto-cast a heal on you, that'd be consider bot-ing. Since you'd be not controlling another character and it'd be doing things for you.

I don't know how you are setting up the dual-box set, but you can make a macro on the paladin box that targets the warlock and casts an appropriate rank flash of light. And you can mash the key when you need it. There are some programs that would allow you to do this from your main keyboard of your warlock box. Perhaps someone could recommend one here.

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Old 03/12/08, 5:40 PM   #590
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If I were you, I would use VoiceCommand, since all it really does is hit keys on your computer one at a time when you say them. The other reason that it isn't really considered botting is because its slow. If I say something, it takes about a half a second to a second before the other character registers it, so its not like I could use it to automate anything that needs to have good timing. Finally, I still have to actually stay there and say things, so its not automating.

As far as whispercast goes, I know it doesn't have the functionality to cast anything other than buffs by default, but you could probably hack a version of it that did that. I don't know how, but I might take a look at it since I would use that if I could instead of or in addition to voice command.

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Old 03/12/08, 7:22 PM   #591
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I just wanted to throw this out there as an idea. It would really nice to turn this thread into something akin to the other guides on EJ (e.g. Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I or Shadow Priest 101: How to Melt Faces Effectively, etc.) where the first post is the summary of collected knowledge else where in the thread. I'm thinking that a brief outline might look something like the following:

Power leveling solo
Gear Tricks
White Enchanted Gear
Tuxedo Pants and Simple Black Dress
Prot Pally and Shield Spike
Warrior's and Whirlwind Axe

Power leveling using two or more accounts
Dot and run technique
How to
Instance progression
Out of party healing
Mods/Programs two "two box" on one Comp
voice command
whispercast

I'm happy to go through the thread and flesh out each of these sections. I haven't done any dual boxing though, so I'm sure other people would be better qualified to do those sections.

Kir, are you still around to modify your original post as people flesh out sections? Do other people think that this would be a good idea? (I just think having a good front page is a much better resource for the community and it also allows the thread to move forward instead of getting stuck in circular discussions.)

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Old 03/12/08, 8:45 PM   #592
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Originally Posted by Macblade View Post
I just wanted to throw this out there as an idea. It would really nice to turn this thread into something akin to the other guides on EJ (e.g. Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I or Shadow Priest 101: How to Melt Faces Effectively, etc.) where the first post is the summary of collected knowledge else where in the thread.
If I were you, I'd wait a week or two for Boe to roll out some stuff that's been getting prepped behind the scenes. Same idea, (IMO) better format, everybody wins.

Questions? Answers.

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Old 03/12/08, 9:59 PM   #593
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Originally Posted by Merrack View Post
If I were you, I'd wait a week or two for Boe to roll out some stuff that's been getting prepped behind the scenes. Same idea, (IMO) better format, everybody wins.
Who or what is Boe?

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Old 03/13/08, 2:22 AM   #594
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Originally Posted by Macblade View Post
Who or what is Boe?
The who is http://elitistjerks.com/members/1769-boethius/
The what is a mystery to us all. (He's the guy who gives us fun forum features to play around with.)

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Old 03/13/08, 6:07 AM   #595
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Originally Posted by Macblade View Post

I'm happy to go through the thread and flesh out each of these sections. I haven't done any dual boxing though, so I'm sure other people would be better qualified to do those sections.

Kir, are you still around to modify your original post as people flesh out sections? Do other people think that this would be a good idea? (I just think having a good front page is a much better resource for the community and it also allows the thread to move forward instead of getting stuck in circular discussions.)
Dual boxing is covered in good detail on wowwiki.com, just look up multiboxing. The information spans 3 or 4 pages.

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Old 03/13/08, 4:34 PM   #596
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Originally Posted by Mideci View Post
I'm about 100% certain that if you could whisper to another toon and it would auto-cast a heal on you, that'd be consider bot-ing. Since you'd be not controlling another character and it'd be doing things for you.

I don't know how you are setting up the dual-box set, but you can make a macro on the paladin box that targets the warlock and casts an appropriate rank flash of light. And you can mash the key when you need it. There are some programs that would allow you to do this from your main keyboard of your warlock box. Perhaps someone could recommend one here.
I don't see how it's any different than using voice command.

I'd be at my computer hitting keys to get the paladin to heal me except I wouldn't have to click his WoW window to do it. I could do it from my Warlock's WoW Window. It basically just eliminates 2 mouse clicks and nothing else.

I am still deciding what spell he needs to cast and when he needs to cast it. Not an algorithm.

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Old 03/14/08, 6:18 AM   #597
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Not sure if this topic has been covered. (I am too lazy to do a search)

I am a dual boxer, when not raiding on my main, I am currently leveling a shaman and druid combo, what is the best spec for dual boxing these class?

I have been doing it as boomkin and elemental, which seems to work fine. I wanted to try out feral and enhancement solely because of the dmg that you would be able to put out, however, I have come to find out even auto attack will pull the other character off follow.

If anyone has any suggestions or tips that would be great.

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Old 03/14/08, 7:09 AM   #598
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Originally Posted by shezmu View Post
Not sure if this topic has been covered. (I am too lazy to do a search)

I am a dual boxer, when not raiding on my main, I am currently leveling a shaman and druid combo, what is the best spec for dual boxing these class?

I have been doing it as boomkin and elemental, which seems to work fine. I wanted to try out feral and enhancement solely because of the dmg that you would be able to put out, however, I have come to find out even auto attack will pull the other character off follow.

If anyone has any suggestions or tips that would be great.
One heal, one dps seems to work fine for me. When dualboxing, hots are so amazingly nice. Resto druid, enhancement shaman should work well. Got my druid to 65 in 5 days player with him being feral, and a holy priest on follow.

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Old 03/14/08, 7:47 AM   #599
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Thanks for the reply, also leveling dual pallies that should be fun

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Old 03/14/08, 7:48 AM   #600
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Originally Posted by shezmu View Post
Not sure if this topic has been covered. (I am too lazy to do a search)

I am a dual boxer, when not raiding on my main, I am currently leveling a shaman and druid combo, what is the best spec for dual boxing these class?

I have been doing it as boomkin and elemental, which seems to work fine. I wanted to try out feral and enhancement solely because of the dmg that you would be able to put out, however, I have come to find out even auto attack will pull the other character off follow.

If anyone has any suggestions or tips that would be great.

The rule is..

The class being leveled can be of nearly any spec, but tend towards damage delivering talents.

The tag along is heal based. Preferably with HoTs.

Really, it doesn't matter when dual-boxing where your trying to level only one character. When doing more than one I prefer to run three sessions of WOW to get the group bonus. The problem with more than two is making sure to avoid the really horrible collection quests; the ones where drop rate is so low as to be non-existent.

I dual boxed my Priest to 70 and the used him to dual box other classes to 70 to minimize down times. Since he is always out of group he cannot shield the character he is healing.

Try any talent build on the main you want, the healer reduces downtime which is the hardest thing to overcome. Too bad with mages there isn't' a good MOT :P My melee classes can fight non-stop but the escorted mages still need to sit.


As for your dual-boxing woes... you need to have a key/macro set up to resume follow. Also it would be best to allow for the follower to set the other character as focus or write heal macros targeting him directly. It sounds like your ghetto-boxing, not dual-boxing. The difference is use of tools to have keystrokes shared between sessions and having the macros to back it up. Just using two PCs side by side or two sessions doesn't cut it. You have to connect them with a keystroke forwarder/clone and good in game macros

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