Retro weapons - Nightfall - Page 2

mmartinx · 12/20/07, 10:07 AM

We have an enhancement shaman that breaks out [Nightfall] when he's threat capped.

Shadewalk · 12/20/07, 10:19 AM

My memory of ravager is that it was used to achie ~5.5k dps in some vid to clear SM cathedral in 1 pull by a level 38 warrior, was lvl 60s pulling an healing though. Fun to watch and did make me think, surely this has a use in raid enviroments, but sadly now the best I can think of is the phase 3 neth zerg, but really any place its ok-ish involves very weak mobs to AoE anyway, but still reasonable dps output on cloth, so the best thing a prot warrior can do is slow and taunt things off still.

Another weapon I've seen is the [Manual Crowd Pummeler], at 500 haste rating for 30 seconds I wonder if it would be worth using as a near 0 (well 29) 2H dps weapon, but with the on use haste bonus could still out dps a top end current epic until its over then swap in the usual weapons, this thought could apply to any arms warrior potentially. The major problem though is that the use has just 3 charges, so you would have farm the crowd pummeler boss in gnomeregan quite a lot to actually have enough to do anything, ultimately making this nothing more than a gimic even if the dps it does is good.

I also remeber there being 1% chance for an extra hit trinkets in game, though never in the slightest bit really looked at them and know whats happened to them since, but those were very popular at 60 with rogues and warriors.

Sitezem · 12/20/07, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Shadewalk

I also remeber there being 1% chance for an extra hit trinkets in game, though never in the slightest bit really looked at them and know whats happened to them since, but those were very popular at 60 with rogues and warriors.

Hand of Jutice
Hand of Justice - Items - World of Warcraft

Still ok even in 70 lvl.

Wodahs · 12/20/07, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Sitezem

Hand of Jutice
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Still ok even in 70 lvl.

Its not ok at 70, its proc rate scales on level and it barely procs at lvl 70. Its a waste of a trinket slot.

Edghar · 12/20/07, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Wodahs

Its not ok at 70, its proc rate scales on level and it barely procs at lvl 70. Its a waste of a trinket slot.

It scaled down to 1.33% instead of the old 2%. Depends on your definition of OK.

Zurgat · 12/20/07, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Edghar

It scaled down to 1.33% instead of the old 2%. Depends on your definition of OK.

Yes but your weapon also does about 30% more damage per attack.
Still, there's better trinkets out there obviously.

Malan · 12/20/07, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by mmartinx

We have an enhancement shaman that breaks out [Nightfall] when he's threat capped.

A much better solution would be an investigation into *why* he's threat capped. Changes in our talent tree made threat almost a non-issue recently.

Lookit · 12/20/07, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Shadewalk

Another weapon I've seen is the [Manual Crowd Pummeler], at 500 haste rating for 30 seconds I wonder if it would be worth using as a near 0 (well 29) 2H dps weapon, but with the on use haste bonus could still out dps a top end current epic until its over then swap in the usual weapons, this thought could apply to any arms warrior potentially. The major problem though is that the use has just 3 charges, so you would have farm the crowd pummeler boss in gnomeregan quite a lot to actually have enough to do anything, ultimately making this nothing more than a gimic even if the dps it does is good.

I recently got the [Manual Crowd Pummeler] on a warrior alt, and my first thought was "Could you activate the haste bonus and then immediately switch to another weapon?" 500 haste rating for 30 seconds would be incredible even at 70. Additionally, it drops off a boss that is very near to the rear entrance of Gnomer, so farming it would be extremely easy.

ObservingLife · 12/20/07, 12:48 PM

Heresay from other sites says that the haste buff disappears when you switch weapons. This is ~2.1, but I see no reason why Blizzard would've changed it.

Still, the time investment to farm it is pretty minimal, if people wanted hard evidence.

Natural · 12/20/07, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by Overhead

First I'd like to point out that this will kill the dps of whoever uses it. That said, we're talking about the OT (prot warrior?) so that point isn't quite as valid.

1556 Prot warrior DPS: Wow Web Stats

The only situation I think can be considered is when a prot warrior needs to DPS with tanking gear on (Illidan, RoS P3 as backup tank, etc).

Solomir · 12/20/07, 2:28 PM

Not every guild has tanks with full fury gearsets, or extra enhancement shamans to give to their off-tanks in single tank fights. Your WWS is an exception, not the rule.

It's similar to having bears in kitty form. With a full gear swap and the knowledge of proper dps rotations, it's possible to get a spot on the meters. With half-tanking gear, half-dps gear, a feral isn't going to do much better than a prot warrior in a similar getup. At the very least, the druid can still provide FF, LotP, and a rebirth, as well as the option to shift out to Tranquility in a pinch. A prot warrior at most can provide BS to the melee if they're lacking a fury/arms warrior. By using weapons like Nightfall, they can still provide some measure of raid utility.

That being said, there's probably some inflection point for the number of casters in the raid required before using a Nightfall is a worthy investment. Also, how does having additional tanks swinging them increase the debuff uptime.

Farstrider · 12/20/07, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by Solomir

It's similar to having bears in kitty form. With a full gear swap and the knowledge of proper dps rotations, it's possible to get a spot on the meters. With half-tanking gear, half-dps gear, a feral isn't going to do much better than a prot warrior in a similar getup.

That is just plain silly. This thread is bad enough without you coming in here and saying crazy things. It is perfectly possible for a feral druid to output over 1k dps in gear that would be perfectly fine for tanking doomguards at Azgalor, off tanking Supremus, or whatever.

• Rezarel · 12/20/07, 8:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lookit

I recently got the [Manual Crowd Pummeler] on a warrior alt, and my first thought was "Could you activate the haste bonus and then immediately switch to another weapon?" 500 haste rating for 30 seconds would be incredible even at 70. Additionally, it drops off a boss that is very near to the rear entrance of Gnomer, so farming it would be extremely easy.

Just tested, the buff is canceled when you switch weapons.

• Fogbug · 12/20/07, 10:24 PM

I can't remember any of the numbers, but I'm pretty sure the contribution from nightfal narrowly failed to make up for my lost DW DPS even in Naxx, even with 10+ casters in the group. Now granted, DW fury was really really good in naxx, but I just can't see it being nearly as good as it was then

xiaoxin21 · 12/20/07, 10:32 PM

Nightfall is good for RoS p1 when resto shamans can swing it with windfury. They cant really do much dps then anyway during the time and it is a boost to all the rest of the nuking classes