• Bellise

So yesterday we finnaly managed to have really good and focused Timed Event run.

Raid setup:

Group 1:

Protection Warrior
Feral Druid
Restoration Shaman
Combat Rogue
Affliction Warlock

Group 2:

Shadow Priest
Holy Priest
Arcane Mage
Destruction Warlock
Restoration Shaman

Killing order: Eagle -> Bear -> Dragonhawk -> Lynx

This was our 1st time when we managed to keep everyone up for the whole run, so with 0 deaths we finished the Lynx with around 7 minutes left on timer.

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I really wonder if switching 1 healer for dps would do some noticable good for us and maybe delay the timer significantly more so we can kill the Hex Lord under the timer?

Who we are is but a stepping stone to what we can become.

 

Tojara

I find this kinda cheap, and perhaps not really in the spirit of the threadhowever...

I would recommend to those who are lacking slightly on DPS to finish the ZA timed run to do the following. You hear this most common with how some guilds achieved 'x' kill or whatever by using alternate Warlocks and mass soulstoning the raid.

Anyways, have two paladins from your guild or alternate characters from the ones doing the timed event be present in the raid group but offline in group 3 or whatever. Have them bless your raid with the missing blessings that the paladin(s) present in your group can't cover. If you run one paladin for the timed event you're missing out on quite a bit of pontential DPS, this is especially true if you run more melee heavy. The extra blessing or two will surely grant an extra few minutes in the grand scheme of things. It probably won't last the duration of the run, but having them for atleast the first 28~ minutes is going to save you some time.

 

Vhad

What's the point? You've won when you get the bear, if it works with 3 healers for you why change anything?

What!?

 

• Bellise

The point is pushing it further, doing it faster, trying new things, having fun.

Who we are is but a stepping stone to what we can become.

 

Volshebnik

We completed the timed run for the first time last night. We had 3 minutes left on the Eagle -> Bear -> Dragonhawk -> Lynx order. This was with two DPS DC'ing during trash.

The group composition was:

Group 1
Feral Druid (MT)
MS Warrior (Arms)
Rogue (Swords)
Warlock (Affliction)
Shaman (Enhancement)

Group 2
Shaman (Resto)
Priest (CoH)
Priest (Shadow)
Mage (Fire)
Paladin (Prot)

The Paladin healed on any fights that he was not needed to tank. He also picked up the Dragonhawks in Holy gear.

I think it is interesting to note that we completed the event with rather poor gear. The Warlock was in Frozen Shadoweave/Karazhan gear. The Enhancement Shaman had one piece of Hyjal/BT gear. Myself as the MS Warrior am significantly below Hit cap and with rather low AP. Indeed, there were only two people in the raid (Feral Druid and Resto Shaman) that were more than 3/5 T6.

The conclusion I'm reaching is that while the event is certainly tuned for T6 geared people, it is not imperative that you be fully kitted out to complete it. Smart play, organization, and a few consumables go a long way.

 

Lansky

This is indeed true. Our alt ZA's have come close to having enough time to kill the Lynx within timer (Dragonhawk down with 10-12 minutes remaining is rather routine now). The only gear these characters have is Kara/ZA with a smattering of T5 on a select few. Proper execution is more important that any other variable as long as the group is anything close to servicable balance wise.

 

• Amera

Other than a ridiculous destruction warlock, the raid we completed it with today didn't have jaw-dropping DPS or insane gear. We had two shamans and a priest all switch to off-specs (enhance, elemental, and shadow) from their normal gear set, an alt hunter (t4 gear), a t4/t5 prot tank, and a t6 feral OT. No one had bad gear, certainly, but we weren't absolutely bleeding edge with gear on DPS, either. I think only one person used a flask, and we ran with 3 healers (resto druid, me, CoH priest) and still had 2 minutes to spare with several deaths/fuckups. Two of the DPSers only pulled about ~800DPS for the entire thing.

So yes, it is definitely doable without a raid stacked with T6 gear, especially if you can manage with 2 healers. Planning and coordination are really the most important things.

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Rithny

We finished it our first try with a heavy physical group

Group 1:
Prot Warrior
Feral Druid
Rogue
Rogue(Fury Warrior second bear)
MS Warrior

Group 2:
Holy Pally (Me)
Resto Shammy
BM Hunter
Spriest
Warlock

It really simplifies everything when your direct damage is enough to take away the need for aoe. The healing is only really hard with two healers on eagle boss where we use the 3 camp strategy so no one has to move, or the occasional aggro pull on trash when BoP isn't up. Dragonhawk was suprisingly easy since our DD kills the majority of the birds before they get out of the gate. The bulk of the healing on that fight is the entire dps getting flame breathed which is just dumb on our part =P

First attempt we finished with 5 minutes remaining with fairly bad chain pulling, second time we improved that massively, although we lost 2 minutes on Eagle when a pack came running in during the fight somehow, but still improved by 1 minute ending at 6.

Honestly I'd say 2 healers is the way to go. I did slam about 10 pots but the intensity of the healing is not high at all and I could probably bring it down to 2 or 3 pots if I actually cared about it that much to sit and drink every now and then. With 3 healers you're obligated to chain pull, and although it really isn't that difficult to keep going for obvious reasons, it would seem more rushed.

 

Phantasie

[OffTopic]Has anyone tried to do the timed run, then invite alts to the raid in order to get the loot from the boxes after your all finished? After doing ZA several times on our mains it's pretty much a DE fest.[/OffTopic]

http://armory.mmo-champion.com.nyud....it&s4=&s5=&v=2

 

• Nfariessence

This works fine. With alts and buyers.

 

• Chicken

Just keep in mind that the alts/buyers need to enter before the chest is looted. As soon as the rolling window has appeared the loot is locked to the people inside of the instance at the time.

 

◊ Malan

What sort of prices are you guys charging for the timed loot? I don't think we need anything from the first 2 boxes, I'd be willing to find some buyers if we can attract them.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Eylirria

Confirmed Exception: Nalorakk's chest. We were able to give an umbral shiv to a rogue alt after we had seen the loot, and the alt in question was still outside the instance and logged out (not even part of the raid group) at the time.

 

nataku

Yeah, Nalorakk's chest is the only chest that doesn't trigger a roll window for whatever reason, and is just a container anyone can open and loot from similar to how the old chess event chest worked.

 

Stinkerbelle

Interesting. Does the looting player need to be in the raid (e.g. group 3) before the chest is opened to see what's inside?

 

Eylirria

No. Our alt rogue was parked outside of both instances and raid. He was offline, even.

 

Vaeys

As a note to anyone thinking about it, it looks like it's on Blizzard's todo list to fix:

from the Known Issue List.


Wowhead shows that chest being a footlocker, instead of a container, which might be why it's different.


On a different note, are there any WWS logs around from non-tier 6 guilds doing the timed event for at least three chests? Curious to see what sort of group composition and DPS figures, at (hopefully) a vaguely similar level of gear.

 

Charsi

Last night we completed our second successful timed run of ZA (thanks to the advice in this thread). Unfortunately after we completed it we brought in alts for the usual box opening ritual - but none of them even got a "use" gear on any of the boxes, nor the group loot roll box when it popped. The loot, which was discovered by someone who had been there for the kills, could not be given to any of the alts.

I'm wondering if it's because the original group popped the bear box before changeups, or because we had it on group loot, but it looks like they hotfixed it along with Mojo. It's quite irritating, since nobody needs any of the other loot, and handing it out to alts was pretty much one of the ways we made running the place worthwhile.

 

◊ Kalman

We actually had an even worse issue - we went in for a first attempt at a timed run and the DPS staff came out of the bear chest - however, the priest who wanted it for DPS gear, who had been there for the kill, didn't get a Use icon on the box and couldn't loot it.

edit: This was last night on a realm that got rebooted on Sunday, so if any hotfix went in, we'd most likely have it.

http://mmorchive.net

The WoW forums, explained:

 

Juli

I have personally looted items from the eagle chest (and watched raid members loot both eagle and bear chests) with an alt that was neither online, inside the zone, nor in the raid group when we opened the chest. We use master looter and despite the lack of a "gear icon" to open the chest upon first zoning in sometimes (sometimes you can just zone in and loot, not sure what the exact mechanic is), we have always been able to loot by monkeying around with relogging/re-assigning the item via master looter/the master looter opening the chest again with the alt present. This worked as recently as last week.

 

Cybelirrae

We finally organized for this last night. I guess we have a lot of room for improvement as some of these clears above with lesser gear are certainly impressive we went with:

G1
Prot Warrior (Our MT in full t6 with Bulwark)
Feral OT (full t6 great dps gear too)
Rogue (sword, warglaive set)
Enh Shaman
BM Hunter (full t6, Arch bow)

G2
CoH Priest (S3 healing mace, mostly t6)
Holy Pally (offtanked some AoE mobs and dragonhawks) (full t6)
Ele Shaman (full t6 resto shaman, has a part t6 ele set; offhealed during more healing intensive parts but mostly dpsed)
Shadow Priest (full t6, skull of guldan)
Destruction Warlock (mostly t6, s3 dagger)

Was pretty relaxed the whole way ended with 5 minutes left. I rotated heroisms into my group for most of the bosses. I put the hunter in the shadow priest group on the trash for mana, but then put him in my group for the heroisms. His pet went insane. Also recklessness on the bosses was a large dps increase with all our physical damage.

There were definitely places we could have mounted and pulled faster. Also we had split dps on a fair amount of trash pulls which was unhelpful. Everyone was flasked (or mageblooded), Druid offtank had Assault flask rather than Fortification. I guess we will see our time improve. Was really fun, however.

 

• Falk

Suggest Major Agility. :3

/2cents

 

Cybelirrae

He mentioned that might be a better way but then when I said I already purchased an Assault for him, he just went with that. Good to think about for next though.

 

Eylirria

Wow Web Stats -- 1h35m clear of the zone. The only 2 people with any raid gear are Nosh and Ceras, everybody else is in pure karazhan/heroic/ZA gear. We got 3 chests, but with almost no timer left to try for 4th (5mins left, maybe?)

Wow Web Stats -- Same. Clear took us longer because of a break after Lynx and wipes on malacrass/zul'jin... This is missing Akil'zon and most of Nalorakk (I forgot to start combatlog logging at the start, doh)... but this has been our best attempt so far, as we've had 11minutes left on timer as dragonhawk died. We're hoping to get our amani bear soon, as we were very close on it this last weekend, and we definetaly still have points where we can improve to squeeze in extra time.

On the parses, Snoe is a balance druid who dpses on trash and heals on bosses.