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Old 02/22/08, 10:20 AM   #2501
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Originally Posted by Playered View Post
Its about spike/burst damage on people which generally a level of <x>HP is required to *most often* survive, this is not to be confused with endurance (ie: Regeneration) to which higher DPS tends to make up for a lack of it.
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Re: Inkm
The issue is more burst damage as someone said above, you simply need a certain amount of hitpoints to not get insta-gibbed by some scenarios in certain fights.
Sorry about being a bit unclear there, the whole thesis was based on that whatever given total HP you'd have would be enough to sustain these bursts. If you (you as in any given member of the raid) dip bellow that in any significant way it would be fairly silly.

 
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Old 02/22/08, 11:27 AM   #2502
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I wonder if blizzard might actually plan gem transmute to be something with the line of "nerfing of content" thing:
Living Ruby + 3 Primal Fire -> Crimson Spinel
Nightseye + 3 Primal Water -> Shadowsong Amethyst
 
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Old 02/22/08, 11:32 AM   #2503
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I'd imagine that's what we're going to see, yes. With a significant cooldown, it won't be the end of the world, and the gems are going to be mudflated into irrelevance in Lich King, anyway. We'll also be seeing a lot of alt (or main, for the truly burnt out on BT) raiding Najentus/Shade to proceed with a full week of trash farming, so no matter what, epic gems are going to be devalued.

edit: AFAIK there is no non-raid source for epic cuts (yet), so this is actually a pretty nice moneymaking opportunity for raiding jewelcrafters.

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Old 02/22/08, 11:48 AM   #2504
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Speaking of trash farming, how hard is the trash in Sunwell? (My guid isn't very far raiding wise, only in SSC/TK).

And can you get exalted in Shattered Sun without hitting the 25 man instance?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 11:55 AM   #2505
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You get SSO rep for doing dailies, as well as from Magister's Terrace, it's quite easy to get exalted (and the rewards reflect that).
 
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Old 02/22/08, 12:27 PM   #2506
 Falk
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@Copernicus:

There you go. Not something I would do on live (The 1000g, not the Exalted rep :P) and yes, it does come from that guy. I didn't see the other quest (Charitable Donation) quest on him though... is the monument already done?
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Old 02/22/08, 12:28 PM   #2507
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Originally Posted by mek View Post
~snip~ it's quite easy to get exalted (and the rewards reflect that).
Thats why those necks are so... weak? but yes the reputation is not ment as a raiding reputation like Scales of the Sand, its more like Lower City or so.


nb: the weak part was sarcasm, they are looking quite over-strong sofar.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 12:35 PM   #2508
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The necks are okay-ish, I'd say they are around t5-level despite having an ilvl of 115. To reiterate, they seem to all have a 15%ish proc chance and the healer neck doesn't proc off HoTs.

Also important distinction is the fact that they are quartermaster vendor items, not a mutually exclusive reward chain like Karazhan/Hyjal.

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Old 02/22/08, 12:49 PM   #2509
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Originally Posted by Sokia View Post
Looks like the developers got tired of waiting for the next stage of the new town to open up; the harbor is now open.

A new daily to open up an alchemy lab, with interesting flavor text suggesting that they're adding alchemical gem transmutes.

Toss in something that can't be done on non-raid alt (ie perk for having a T6.5 alchemist) and it sounds good. Certainly better that what it is now. But no different from someone taking a greens alt and repping them up and doing the same thing.

Progress is still progress! Interesting to see where they go with this.

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Old 02/22/08, 12:53 PM   #2510
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Originally Posted by falkon2 View Post
@Copernicus:

There you go. Not something I would do on live (The 1000g, not the Exalted rep :P) and yes, it does come from that guy. I didn't see the other quest (Charitable Donation) quest on him though... is the monument already done?
The Charitable Donation questgiver is down in the middle of the town, at the crossroads. Her name is Anchorite Ayuri.

The main reason I'm wondering is that I was convinced that the "A Maganimous Benefactor" quest could only be done during the building the statue phase, but if that is completed so quickly I guess anyone can get it when they reach Exalted. Which is slightly dissapointing - I was hoping for a reward that reflected someone contributing to the storyline of retaking the city (which an Exalted reputation at that point would reflect).
 
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Old 02/22/08, 1:02 PM   #2511
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Originally Posted by Dryssa View Post
And the random charge/knockback, and the AOE silence.

There really isn't an "ideal" fight at the moment in TBC for benchmark DPS.
Yes, hence the "sort of". But he's probably the nearest thing to a straight tank-and-spank there is.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 1:09 PM   #2512
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
The Charitable Donation questgiver is down in the middle of the town, at the crossroads. Her name is Anchorite Ayuri.

The main reason I'm wondering is that I was convinced that the "A Maganimous Benefactor" quest could only be done during the building the statue phase, but if that is completed so quickly I guess anyone can get it when they reach Exalted. Which is slightly dissapointing - I was hoping for a reward that reflected someone contributing to the storyline of retaking the city (which an Exalted reputation at that point would reflect).
Ah, you may be right about the Benefactor quest needing to be done before the statue is completed. I went back and doublechecked... Anchorite Ayuri says the monument is 13% done at the moment. (I didn't have a blue exclamation mark over her head - probably why I missed it)

If that is the case, I -may- actually consider forking out that 1k gold on live since it's sort of a once-it's-gone-it's-gone-forever deal. WTS OCD.

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Old 02/22/08, 1:20 PM   #2513
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Originally Posted by rhea View Post
I wonder if blizzard might actually plan gem transmute to be something with the line of "nerfing of content" thing:
Living Ruby + 3 Primal Fire -> Crimson Spinel
Nightseye + 3 Primal Water -> Shadowsong Amethyst
I think far more likely is:

[Living Ruby] + [Primal Nether] = [Crimson Spinel]
or
[Living Ruby] + [Nether Vortex] = [Crimson Spinel]

etc for all the six gem types. The more I think about it the more I think that this would be a solid addition all round.

It would give casual players an expensive way of getting Epic gems, give raiders something to spend excess Badges on, and gives the Gem market a little boost too. This also seems more in tune with their desire to have Badges be more useful as well.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 1:24 PM   #2514
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
The main reason I'm wondering is that I was convinced that the "A Maganimous Benefactor" quest could only be done during the building the statue phase, but if that is completed so quickly I guess anyone can get it when they reach Exalted.
Can you say where you got this from?
Don't think it's the first time I see someone mentioning this, but i have failed to find any official or "official" information of any kind regarding this.

I'm with Falko on this, if it's a one time thing, put me down for 1000G for the poor blood elf and draenei widows.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 1:28 PM   #2515
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
The Charitable Donation questgiver is down in the middle of the town, at the crossroads. Her name is Anchorite Ayuri.

The main reason I'm wondering is that I was convinced that the "A Maganimous Benefactor" quest could only be done during the building the statue phase, but if that is completed so quickly I guess anyone can get it when they reach Exalted. Which is slightly dissapointing - I was hoping for a reward that reflected someone contributing to the storyline of retaking the city (which an Exalted reputation at that point would reflect).
If you can't do the quest anymore when the statue is complete, it would be unwise to do the daily quests, just run MT over and over until you reach exalted, because you'd probably want to delay the building of the town as long as possible or you risk losing your only chance of gaining the title.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 1:35 PM   #2516
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Originally Posted by Sayessa View Post
If you can't do the quest anymore when the statue is complete, it would be unwise to do the daily quests, just run MT over and over until you reach exalted, because you'd probably want to delay the building of the town as long as possible or you risk losing your only chance of gaining the title.
There's a very short time span when you can get the title specifically to keep it uncommon. It was the same for Scarab Lord, it was the same for the old PVP ranks, it was the same for Merciless Gladiator. It's just a case of a lot shorter span here because, let's face it, 1000 gold and a rep requirement are nowhere in the same league as a the AQ chain, the 14 rank ladder, or even as the arena rating ladder.

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In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
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Old 02/22/08, 1:56 PM   #2517
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Originally Posted by tmagalhaes View Post
Can you say where you got this from?
Don't think it's the first time I see someone mentioning this, but i have failed to find any official or "official" information of any kind regarding this.

I'm with Falko on this, if it's a one time thing, put me down for 1000G for the poor blood elf and draenei widows.
There is no official or "official" information for it.

It was a guess I made based on the quest descriptions of the three quests - Your Continued Support - Quests - World of Warcraft A Charitable Donation - Quests - World of Warcraft and A Magnanimous Benefactor - Quests - World of Warcraft

The quest descriptions are vague enough that it seems like it's possible to aid the cause of funding the widows and orphans. It just doesn't feel right compared to helping build a giant statue. But if the memorial is already over 11% with very few people actually being able to contribute to it (due to late night completion), then it's probably just an option at any time.

And if it's a one-time thing, it's not for the poor little orphans. It's for building a giant statue to reflect the alliance between the Scryer and Aldor factions. If it can be done any time, it's for building a giant statue... and the poor little orphans and widows who will be getting regular 1K donations until WotLK comes out. I wonder if they'll get an epic flier from that money...

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Old 02/22/08, 2:14 PM   #2518
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Eh, don't forget that PTR completion/questing rates may not be final. We'll find out once and for all once the statue hits 100%, I guess.

(Assuming there are other exalteds out there - I can't be the only crazy one)

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Old 02/22/08, 3:24 PM   #2519
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Eh, read the quest text. All the donations (both the daily 10g donation and the one-off 1000g) are to go to building a memorial for the fallen. Anything "leftover" is said to go to the widows and orphans. Presumably the the statue gets build once $X gold has been acquired from all sources - daily and one-off combined. The line about leftovers is there to allow them to continue the daily even after the statue is built.

It'll be interesting to see if there's any effect of the statue other than cosmetic.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 4:30 PM   #2520
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A change at some point in the PTR, compared to live: all of the original epic engineering helms ([Furious Gizmatic Goggles], [Surestrike Goggles v2.0], etc.) were changed to have level 62 equip requirement.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 4:32 PM   #2521
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Originally Posted by Cuer View Post
A change at some point in the PTR, compared to live: all of the original epic engineering helms ([Furious Gizmatic Goggles], [Surestrike Goggles v2.0], etc.) were changed to have level 62 equip requirement.
A completely unsurprising development considering the unbinding of Nethers. I can't imagine having a T5-level helm to level with, that would be insane.

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Old 02/22/08, 4:36 PM   #2522
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Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
A completely unsurprising development considering the unbinding of Nethers. I can't imagine having a T5-level helm to level with, that would be insane.
It's still kind of insane though. Get a nether on your main with his stockpile of badges, grind to 350 engineering on your alt, get a T5-ish level head at 62! Seems kind of crazy to me.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 4:38 PM   #2523
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Originally Posted by savernon View Post
It's still kind of insane though. Get a nether on your main with his stockpile of badges, grind to 350 engineering on your alt, get a T5-ish level head at 62! Seems kind of crazy to me.
If they consider this to be a major issue, then they can very easily restrict this helm to 70+, so it's really not a show-stopper.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 4:48 PM   #2524
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Originally Posted by Nezralix View Post
If they consider this to be a major issue, then they can very easily restrict this helm to 70+, so it's really not a show-stopper.
Wasn't saying that it was a show stopper at all. In fact, the nether unbinding + level req change on the helm actually makes it easier to get the helm earlier than 70 than currently. The only thing I am wondering is, for those people who somehow got this helm made on a 59 twink, will the helms not be usable when the patch goes live?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 4:54 PM   #2525
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A completely unsurprising development considering the unbinding of Nethers. I can't imagine having a T5-level helm to level with, that would be insane.
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