Well since we appear to be untouchable now.. I think we should try and get negative resists back =)

Did anyone see the new ring from Sunwell trash drops?



What a major let down, a slight upgrade to the Vashj ring and a full raid tier higher at least

Ya it is sorta surprising you only get like 23 stats(mostly stam/int) -2healing out of 16 ilvls.

Or you can take the other view that finally there's an alternative, especially if you didn't want to go back just for Vashj drops. (ironically in 2.4 though that's a lot easier, so...) Anyways it's a trash drop, not all trash drops have to be best in slot. :P

According to the item level calculator here:

http://wow.virakar.com/stats/itemlevel.html

...the new ring is, if anything, overbudgeted, at ilvl 163, compared to the ilvl 139 on the Vashj ring.

When eyeballing item levels, you always need to consider that +healing and, to a lesser extent, stamina, look like they take a much larger amount of the item budget than they actually do, because they appear so inflated compared to other stats. And of course, there's always some favoritism toward +healing and +damage.

Even if +healing is the most important thing to you, the ring is a significant upgrade in its other stats.

I sort of doubt that website is accurate.. We get 3 ilvl too low on sunfire handwraps.. sunfire robe comes in 9 ilvl too high... Leggings of Calamity comes in 9 ilvl too high. Unless blizzard just totally decided to abandon its formulas are randomly add stats to stuff at will.

It's not accurate on items with sockets.

Ilvl is just a guideline. They're not always exact.

While I totally agree with this, when I saw this ring, I was actually happy. Because I killed Vashj twice total, and unless we're gonna farm essences for the gates, which I'm not too sure of, I'll never be able to get vashj's ring, and the alternatives are rather small. Nightbane's ring(no stats but decently high healing), exalted MH ring, MH/BT trash ring(spell haste even in 2.4 is still so-so), some ring from kalecgos that's pretty similar to T6 trash ring, crafted JC ring that's again similar and the ilvl115 ring from kaelthas, which has a red socket pushing it to a rather decent +heal level. If you consider everyone get the MH rep ring, all the other options are still pretty bad, and even accounting for haste buff in 2.4, the haste alternatives aren't so great.

I'm guessing this got hidden under all the lifetap posts.

Does anyone know for sure yet if the title only available before the statue or not?

I think it looks pretty neat myself, with the change to mana regen etc.

Since when? Item level is available as a data point via mods using the GetItemInfo API. It's not in the default UI but is an actual game value assigned to items. Item level is accurate.

The formula for stat distribution that the community uses is the guideline.

It's an approximation based on reverse engineering. Approximation, albeit reasonable most of the time. Blizzard haven't ever put the full formula out, only ever commented on it such as when they stated they had halved the cost of stamina in the item budget for TBC. Items can be over or under, mistakes happen but they are usually pulled back into line with the ilvl assigned as opposed to the reverse.

Well, yes and no.

ilvl is a point items are intentionally set at that supposedly governs what the stat budget is and how good the item in theory can be. Saying that it's infallible isn't correct, though, as many items have been changed over the course of TBC without any changes in item level, [Silent Slippers of Meditation] being the best example I can think of. I don't remember the slippers having any stats added or any change to their ilvl when they just pulled a big pile of crit off them. I'm sure people with a better memory can bring up other items that were changed in the same way.

That being said I agree that the community does not have a full understanding of the ilvl to budget formula and some of the results those calculators give off are just wacky.

Certain items, however, are clearly under-budget when applying the player-derived formula...despite equal iLvl. Ergo, the 'guideline' part.

And some items are overbudgetted. But on that topic, its usually taboo to discuss overbudgeted item for fear they will get nerfed (and some have, in the past).

For Priests this ring is a notable upgrade to the Vashj ring. It may not be massive, but it is certainly non-trivial--at least to the point where it is quite easily the best overall ring in the game--and currently non-unique at that.

I know this is miles off topic, but is it unrealistic for the missing part of the item budgeting to be reflected in the set bonus?
Or, more importantly, is it possible that 2 set of five pieces each have the same total itemization points, while the individual, equivalent items have different itemization points?

I dont understand why blizzard bothered to nerf the lvl 60 blue pvp boots. Its not like GW actually breaks CC or anything. If I am hamstringed and use my instant GW it doesn't matter if it has an extra 15% speed boost because I am going absolutely nowhere.

My personal favorite is [Bracers of Martyrdom] vs. [Wristbands of Divine Influence].

That doesn't seem a very striking example. On one hand you have a socket, on the other you have +9 stam, +1 Int, and -2 healing. Depending on how you value the socket, they come out pretty even, with the [Bracers of Martyrdom] pulling ahead as you use a higher-quality gem.

Well, there is an epic version - [General's Mail Boots]

You lose a boatload of stats even by using the epic ones, but I will admit, I was going to give them a try. It might have made a difference in 2s.

The only real bonus I'm expecting to see from instant GW is quicker runs between the AH and the bank. GW is dispellable and doesnt break CC....I'm just not excited - and certainly wouldnt give up the stats for the 15% bonus that will almost never be useful.