Searix

Wish i knew more i was heading out to check the status. Btw, when it happened we were doing brut trash but stopped with server shut down.

 

◊ Praetorian

Ok, back to "stfu about Life Tap because we know nothing":

 

◊ Praetorian

How did this turn into the "everyone throw out their pet idea for buffing paladins" thread?

Anyway, the new patch for 2.4 PTR is available. Looking forward to seeing the new/changed skill/spell MPQ entries.

 

radiante

All the gates are down in the PvE PTR.

 

rochan

The lifetap tooltip now says that it converts 5% max hp into 5% max mp, however, it is still doing 5/15% as before.

edit: It was hotfixed like 15 mins after the server came up and only does 5% mp

 

• sadris

Do you have imp lifetap?

Feral T6 belt had its crit rating swapped back to hit rating.

'[The main argument against gay-marriage] always revolves around ... "the gay agenda"... Apparently all these gays only want to get married so they can adopt children, turn the children gay (probably using their mystic gay voodoo, passed gayly down from one gay generation to the next), and perpetuate their gayness.'
-- rantingkitten

 

Sayessa

In addition, the rank display is back, so the values are for rank 1. Checking out the warlock trainer now to see if there are more ranks.

Update: No new ranks available. This has to be a bug, 5%/5% is way too low to be useful at all.

 

NanoHaxial

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9...8210221pu6.jpg

Reports of Flametongue having an MS effect on the PTR. Doesn't seem spec related from the screenshot.

 

• squiffy

Confirm it's not spec related, my shaman on PTR was getting that debuff on a mob in Terrokar with Flametongue weapon with no talent points spent.

Also, Flametongue weapon now scales with weapon speed. Pretty sure that's new yes?

 

HaklePrime

4 Second duration.

Red debuff, icon similar to Rag's fire debuff thingie.

I'm very perplexed by this change.

Brutallus appears to be disabled once again.

 

Chirality

The surprises continue. This would be even crazier if it applied to Flametongue Totem. Drysc (or was it someone else) said they were looking to make enhancement viable for arena. . .

 

Moos3d

It looks like a 15 second duration, it shows 4 seconds remaining with a tiny bit more than 1/4 duration left. Could be a way they're attempting to buff enhancement in PvP. Not sure how flametongue got changed but it's still most likely a significant DPS loss from windfury.

 

flyingtoastr

Wow.....

Just wow...

If I ever see a shaman complain again there is going to be pain.

 

Furio

Re: Life Tap

To confirm, the tooltip says 5% Max HP-->5% Max Mana, but it actually returns 15% Max Mana. Also, Improved Life Tap 2/2 returns 18% Max Mana. There are no additional ranks on the trainer.

Something is clearly bugged. I guess we continue to wait with baited breath for the "real" change.

 

Sapp

It's done that since before 2.1.

I think their goal with every enh-related change was to try and get enh shamans to switch from WINDFURY EVERYWHERE to windfury mh and flametongue / frostbrand oh, and they've never managed to get the tuning right.

 

darkhorse

World of Raids has a screenshot of Rank 3 Life Tap. Showing 20%/20% anyone know where that came from ?

 

panny

Anticipation is also reported to give 10% snare duration reduction per point up to a max of 50%. Enhancement seems wildly overpowered at the moment.

Fix Spirit Wolves not responding to commands.
DK/Rogue

 

• squiffy

Ah, my bad. Shaman has been resto for like 2 years so I've not really kept track of changes to weapon imbues that closely.

 

NanoHaxial

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...-toughness.png

It's on Toughness.

 

Chirality

Reply Flametongue Weapon:

I just tested it on PTR with a random shaman I saw....and it doesn't seem to have that effect, at least on my First Aid.

Combat log looked like:
You are afflicted by Flametongue Attack
You First Aid heals You for 808 Physical
Flametongue Attack dissipates You
You First Aid heals You for 425 Physical


and another time

You are afflicted by Flametongue Attack
You First Aid heals You for 425 Physical
Flametongue Attack dissipates You
You First Aid heals You for 425 Physical


I have no idea what happened between those two tests--or how my bandage healed for double the amount that's normal....


Also, flametongue TOTEM does not leave this effect.

 

slant

The flametongue 50% healing reduction alone should go a long way towards making enhance shamans pvp viable. Assuming a fast offhand, the shaman gives up a fair chunk of damage in exchange for a very useful debuff.

The shamanistic rage changes are a moderate PvP buff and large PvE nerf. They halved the duration and doubled mana gains but made it undispellable.

The toughness change is just weird. It's great that the devs are trying to make what is perhaps our worst talent useful for something, but spending 5 talent points for a 50% snare duration reduction (the armor is entirely useless) doesn't seem remotely worthwhile. Either the base talent's benefit should be redesigned or the investment lowered, likely to 2 points.

Edit: Yes, the FT debuff is currently broken. It appears to increase healing by 50% for now.

 

Pyros

Well overpowered is rather subjective. There's probably still margin to bring them on par with warriors, so until then I'm not sure. I mean, they still lack a solid snare(rather long cooldown, dispellable, resistable, not very powerful, no "root" proc), they trade intercept for *gasp* instant ghost wolf, they can't sunder(but a part of their damage is magic and they can purge), the MS viability has still to be demonstrated, does flametongue proc a lot, can it be used only as off hand, is it actually dispellable(the screenshot seems to show it's not but well). The big positive point is they have their mini shield wall thing if they get assisted, which is much better than spell reflect+intervene out imo.

But in the end the question is would you take an enh shaman instead of a MS war? If the answer is no, then they're not overpowered, at the very best they're viable, in worst case they're a subpar choice but not as subpar as currently. If the answer turns out to be yes however, I could see some things adjusted a bit ^^.

 

Furio

I'm on the US PvP PTR right now. I have no idea where this is coming from.

 

thevidon

I dont think that forcing us to spend 5 talent points on a talent that will have little substantive effect makes us overpowered. The talent will not let us get away from a warrior who is spamming hamstring on us, it wont get us out of crippling poison, it wont stop frost novas....I really feel like it is only marginally useful, and pretty sucky for 5 talent points.

 

NanoHaxial

Some Warlocks have Rank 1 which shows 5% health and 5% mana, which actually gives 15% mana, and others have the rank 3 version. You can't train the ranks either.