2.4 PTR and Patch Notes - Page 13

Emeraude · 02/09/08, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by Illundai

(Item sets) It seems that tier 6 sets now have 8 items ... Set bonuses are the same (2 and 4 parts only) but I really can't confirm this while the PTRs are offline.

source: MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies

Nice, maybe I'll be able to see my 4 Piece Onslaught Warrior bonus after all.

Those pieces will be up against some stiff competition though. [Red Belt of Battle], [Deadly Cuffs], [Dreadboots of the Legion]

Teza · 02/09/08, 6:50 PM

Defense skill line description change (WorldofRaids)

* Old value: Higher defense makes you harder to hit and makes monsters less likely to land a crushing blow.
* New value: Higher defense improves your chance to dodge, parry, and block attacks, makes you harder to hit, and makes monsters less likely to land a critical strike against you.

hannigaholic · 02/09/08, 6:52 PM

My view on the badges is this; it's overkill. Players can already do either no raiding at all or just Karazhan and get end-of-T5 quality armor and in some cases, arguably best-in-slot items. With yet another tier of badge loot coming out I get the feeling that even most of Black Temple can be made obsolete.

I'm 100% in support of accessible content and casual-friendly loot rewards. I think removing the MH/BT attunement was inevitable and I can't see a downside to opening up Kael'thas and Lady Vashj. But, given the absurdly small proportion of people who will have instant access to the Sunwell raid, to give T6 quality loot for zero raiding seems misguided.

If the T6-quality badge loot simply costed significantly more than existing loot it'd be ok. If it needed a different type of badge that only dropped in T5 instances, that would also be fine. The thing is I can't see that being the case. If it is, I'll eat my words, but it feels like Blizz is telling me that I have to keep going back to farm Karazahn for badges in order to be doing the best for my guild pushing through T6 content. It'd be like having to do Zul'Gurub or UBRS again just to maximise your Naxxramas progress. It's ridiculous.

Rannasha · 02/09/08, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by Teza

Defense skill line description change (WorldofRaids)

* Old value: Higher defense makes you harder to hit and makes monsters less likely to land a crushing blow.
* New value: Higher defense improves your chance to dodge, parry, and block attacks, makes you harder to hit, and makes monsters less likely to land a critical strike against you.

This seems to be the wrong way around, but assuming that that's the case, it will mean a significant change for tanks. I'm a bit worried about the changed text not mentioning reduction of chance to be crit though.

Zedd · 02/09/08, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rannasha

This seems to be the wrong way around, but assuming that that's the case, it will mean a significant change for tanks. I'm a bit worried about the changed text not mentioning reduction of chance to be crit though.

I think it is only a UI text change, Defence allready did the stuff described in the new line. IIRC.

Illundai · 02/09/08, 6:59 PM

Originally Posted by hannigaholic

It'd be like having to do Zul'Gurub or UBRS again just to maximise your Naxxramas progress. It's ridiculous.

Uhm, we sure as hell did ZG twice a week for enchants. Not entirely the same thing, but just mentioning it :p.

Teza · 02/09/08, 7:05 PM

Source: Worldofraids forums :: PTR Patch Notes 2.4.0, Pictures, Sunwell

Set Bonuses for new pvp sets

Druid
* Dragonhide Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Increases your movement speed by 15% while in Bear, Cat, or Travel Form. Only active outdoors.

* Kodohide Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Increases your movement speed by 15% while in Bear, Cat, or Travel Form. Only active outdoors.

* Wyrmhide Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Increases your movement speed by 15% while in Bear, Cat, or Travel Form. Only active outdoors.

Hunter
* Stalker's Chain Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Concussive Shot by 1 sec.

Mage
* Evoker's Silk Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Blink spell by 2 sec.

Paladin
* Crusader's Ornamented Battledgear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Hammer of Justice by 10 sec.

* Crusader's Scaled Battledgear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Hammer of Justice by 10 sec.

Priest
* Mooncloth Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the duration of the Weakened Soul effect caused by your Power Word: Shield by 2 sec.

* Satin Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the duration of the Weakened Soul effect caused by your Power Word: Shield by 2 sec.

Rogue
* Latro's Flurry
- 2 pieces: Increases attack power by 30.

* Opportunist's Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Gouge ability by 1 sec.

Shaman
* Seer's Linked Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Stormstrike ability by 1 sec.

* Seer's Mail Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Improves your chance to get a critical strike with all Shock spells by 2%.

* Seer's Ringmail Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Nature's Swiftness ability by 24 sec.

Warlock
* Dreadweave Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the casting time of your Fear spell by 0.2 sec.

Warrior
* Savage Plate Battlegear
- 2 pieces: +35 Resilience Rating.
- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Intercept ability by 5 sec.

Cuer · 02/09/08, 7:06 PM

Defense certainly already did everything mentioned in the new description, at least if you were a Warrior or Paladin or other such class. Druids can't block or parry, so that doesn't apply to them. It looks to just be a cosmetic change, so people understand in game what Defense actually does a bit more precisely.

Umph · 02/09/08, 7:10 PM

Originally Posted by hannigaholic

.. but it feels like Blizz is telling me that I have to keep going back to farm Karazahn for badges in order to be doing the best for my guild pushing through T6 content. It'd be like having to do Zul'Gurub or UBRS again just to maximise your Naxxramas progress. It's ridiculous.

Yes, these additions are clearly intended to force you to go back to farming Kara so you can do a little better whilst doing T6 content - Dev: "Hmm what can we do to make people who are progressing through T6 content go back and farm up badges... I know, new T6 quality badge rewards!". It has absolutely nothing to do with the people who are unable to get anywhere near T6 content and keeping their subscriptions/making the game more enjoyable for them. (Edit: This part is sarcasm..)

If you choose to go back and farm up badges so that you can be a little better at progressing through T6 content then good for you, but it's my opinion that the gear isn't intended for players in your position. It's there to help push lower tier guilds further through content before the next expansion, so that they too can enjoy the content they are paying for. It's there for people who can't get into a large/focused enough guild to get the gear in the first place.

That sounds harsher than I intend, but it gets the point across. Not to mention we don't even know what the items are yet.

Emeraude · 02/09/08, 7:13 PM

Originally Posted by Teza

- 4 pieces: Reduces the cooldown of your Gouge ability by 1 sec.

I'm no Rogue, but isn't that a step backwards?

Zyz · 02/09/08, 7:13 PM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

I'm no Rogue, but isn't that a step backwards?

yes it is

manly · 02/09/08, 7:14 PM

Why are people complaining about badges buying T6 level loot? Sunwell will give better-than-T6 loot anyway.

Alacrity · 02/09/08, 7:15 PM

So the sunwell sets have pvp bonuses?... Im confused

Rasputin · 02/09/08, 7:17 PM

I've not seen a post about this yet, but the US Character Copy page is now accessible and working. During the time that it took me to get through successfully the estimated wait time jumped from 1 hour to 1 day.

orcsgotbooty · 02/09/08, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Umph

Yes, these additions are clearly intended to force you to go back to farming Kara so you can do a little better whilst doing T6 content - Dev: "Hmm what can we do to make people who are progressing through T6 content go back and farm up badges... I know, new T6 quality badge rewards!". It has absolutely nothing to do with the people who are unable to get anywhere near T6 content and keeping their subscriptions/making the game more enjoyable for them.

If you choose to go back and farm up badges so that you can be a little better at progressing through T6 content then good for you, but it's my opinion that the gear isn't intended for players in your position. It's there to help push lower tier guilds further through content before the next expansion, so that they too can enjoy the content they are paying for. It's there for people who can't get into a large/focused enough guild to get the gear in the first place.

That sounds harsher than I intend, but it gets the point across. Not to mention we don't even know what the items are yet.

If the loot is for those who can't/won't play in 25mans what is the point of the t6 level badge loot. I would understand if it cost badges from RAID bosses for raiders who just had terrible luck with the RNG. Yet its the same badges, it is the same question of last patch, why create upgrades just for people to farm heroic mech or kara faster?

Carnivean · 02/09/08, 7:18 PM

I can only agree manly.

Lets just all cool down a bit and wait atleast until the PTRs are up and we can check what kind of loot will be avaible for badges, maybe there are only closing some itemization wholes that exists in todays T6 loot, and even if its T6 loot, the top raiding guilds will get loot clearly above T6...

Enova · 02/09/08, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Umph

Yes, these additions are clearly intended to force you to go back to farming Kara so you can do a little better whilst doing T6 content - Dev: "Hmm what can we do to make people who are progressing through T6 content go back and farm up badges... I know, new T6 quality badge rewards!". It has absolutely nothing to do with the people who are unable to get anywhere near T6 content and keeping their subscriptions/making the game more enjoyable for them.

If you choose to go back and farm up badges so that you can be a little better at progressing through T6 content then good for you, but it's my opinion that the gear isn't intended for players in your position. It's there to help push lower tier guilds further through content before the next expansion, so that they too can enjoy the content they are paying for. It's there for people who can't get into a large/focused enough guild to get the gear in the first place.

That sounds harsher than I intend, but it gets the point across. Not to mention we don't even know what the items are yet.

So why not farm ZA instead? It's on a shorter reset, it's a hell of a lot more of a challenge, and it's still relatively new compared to Karazhan. Not to mention the bear mounts...

Davidson · 02/09/08, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Alacrity

So the sunwell sets have pvp bonuses?... Im confused

Those bonuses are for the blue pvp sets.

Rokh · 02/09/08, 7:20 PM

Originally Posted by Alacrity

So the sunwell sets have pvp bonuses?... Im confused

I'm assuming judging by the bonuses (old Season 1 stuff, iirc), these are the "vendor bought PVP blues" from the various Rep Vendors around Outlands.

Rob · 02/09/08, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Alacrity

So the sunwell sets have pvp bonuses?... Im confused

I'm thinking those are the S4 PvP sets based on those bonuses. The set names fit better with the PvP naming conventions than the PvE naming conventions anyway.

edit: GM/HWL replacement vendor-bought items makes sense as well.

Umph · 02/09/08, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Enova

So why not farm ZA instead? It's on a shorter reset, it's a hell of a lot more of a challenge, and it's still relatively new compared to Karazhan. Not to mention the bear mounts...

I think you may have misunderstood what I am saying - I'm not going to be farming badges for anything :P. I was pointing out that the new t6 gear isn't necessarily aimed at people progressing through t6 content.

Umph · 02/09/08, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by orcsgotbooty

If the loot is for those who can't/won't play in 25mans what is the point of the t6 level badge loot. I would understand if it cost badges from RAID bosses for raiders who just had terrible luck with the RNG. Yet its the same badges, it is the same question of last patch, why create upgrades just for people to farm heroic mech or kara faster?

I have two housemates, both of them are in guilds that are about half way through SSC and their guilds are having trouble on various bosses. Both of them do heroics on a regular basis! Thus they can get some significant upgrades to help speed the progress of their guild.

♦ pewsey · 02/09/08, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gryzemuis

Does anyone know which Outland Reputation vendors sell blue pvp gear ? And what gear exactly, and how much reputation is needed ?

I've been told I need the 2-minute pvp trinket for the Archimonde fight. I rather never step back into any battleground if I can avoid it. So if I could just buy the 2-minute pvp trinket, that would be nice.

I was going to get the 2 min one, but just have the 5 min one. We've now killed Archimonde 3 ? 4 ? times, and I've never died when the trinket would have saved me. Between CloS, using the trinket, and a tremor totem in the melee group, doomfire is just not an issue _for me_

Crazytrucker · 02/09/08, 7:33 PM

PTR Transfers are up.

Edit: Beaten

Astrylian · 02/09/08, 7:41 PM

Originally Posted by Crazytrucker

PTR Transfers are up.

Edit: Beaten

But no realms are up yet.