Sums it up well.

Sure - as others pointed out - some classes, some specs can find a use for the trinkets (ranging from amazing to gimmicky/situational at best). But lets compare this to the Sunwell Tailoring drops, Engineering Goggles, which dominate their slot and suddenly our profession perk looks silly by comparison, when you consider we have to give up a very good item (eg Hex head/icon) to even use it.

People just want more flexibility, more options instead of 4 pre-set trinkets which might appeal to a few. Id prefer alchemists stone (trinket slot) was changed to Alchemists Pendant (neck slot). Leave the trinket slots alone, unless they want to make them best in slot - and that means better than Hex head/Icon/Darkmoon and approaching Skull.

Before anyone else gripes about the new alchemist trinkets...


1. They are still on the PTR, so nothing is final.

2. You are right, for someone who is end game raiding, they are NOT a trinket worth having outside of dedicated healers. That trinket will be fabulous for folks who have leveled up alchemy, can acquire the mats, but have not and may never see Hyjal or BT or the sunwell.

However, you don't need to raid any of that high-tier content to acquire an Icon or a Hex Shrunken Head - and that's the point being made, really.

Everyone realises and appreciates that Blizzard is taking a (long-awaited) step to helping the profession-perk, but that the opportunity shouldnt be wasted on lacklustre, uninspired or gimmicky items.

Given that its very likely Blizz is going to read our feedback on these very forums - its a great place to get all the ideas/critisicms/suggestions out in the open for thorough discussion to help them create something 'final' that more people will appreciate.

Give alchemists an "enchant" where we can add the 40% from potions to any trinket = problem solved

Anyway, these trinkets are surely a step in the right direction, if they had been out from the beginning of TBC, they would have been pretty nice.

In that case you'd be better off making it so that being either a transmute, elixir or potion master will also increase the effect of any potions you use by 40%. It'd end up being the same thing.

Exactly. People are comparing this to enchanting rings, but bear in mind: enchanting 2 rings with 24 heals, while a nice buff, is no gamebreaker. For the sake of round numbers, at around 2k heals that a 2.5% buff to your +heal stat. I think that, as it stands, the alchemy stones present a pretty fair buff that doesn't force any class to go alchemy.

The current healer stone appears to be doing that, albeit it's just a trinket but you're still getting a major amount of Mp5 and a pretty extreme amount of healing for that particular slot. If, as was previously stated, they made the defense stone affect Ironshields I'm fairly sure every single serious endgame warrior or Protadin would be hedged into using it for the 1000 extra armor. Even the T2 engineering goggles which seem pretty damn overpowered have a noticeable upgrade later in the Sunwell, but nothing would ever compare to a static 1000 armor boost from a trinket slot of all things.

I think that although the 40% heal/mana buff is right, it's not quite universal enough for most classes; if instead you decreased the cooldown on potions by 15-20seconds, although it wouldn't be gamebreaking it would definitely make the trinkets more appealing. Doing the math ... you gain an average of 2400 mana from using a potion every 120sec. (100mp5); by reducing the cooldown by 20 seconds we have 2400 mana every 100sec (so 20 sessions of mp5); you gain a 20mp5 boost from that; no small thing.

The potential value I see in the alchemy caster trinket might be as a fairly easy to obtain crutch item for making the transition from all our spellhit heavy BT/Hyjal gear to the lower spellhit Sunwell upgrades for the cases where the RNG jacks with your upgrade path. That said, it certainly doesn't compare well to the tailored robe or JC neck so complaints from Alchies are understandable. But if a version of a spellhit trinket were to show up on the badge vendor, I'd probably buy one just because I haven't lucked into a Skull yet and wouldn't mind the extra options as the gear swaps commence.

What part of "to me, these new items are too much work for too little reward" is hard to understand? Yes, I *can* make two stones. (Heck, 3 if I want to use the original Alchy stone from time to time). I can certainly afford it. But I don't want to, because the new stones do not excite me.


They don't have to excite me, but that's my feedback as an alchemist, and I'm not the only one who doesn't care much for them.

I would argue that it's still fairly useless for a shadow priest, though. Especially a draenei shadow priest. I can easily get 10 hit from talents while still maintaining everything useful (I say useful since some things like imp ve are situational due to threat, inner focus, etc). So I mean, if I needed all 10 pts from talents for +hit, that'd be 13/0/48 and I'd lose out on a bit of VE healing which I could regain for dropping mindblast crit or whatnot. Basically, you can achieve 16hit as a priest so easily that even without a skull - it's a fairly useless trinket overall. Sure that mana is nice from pots - but outside of a fight like council (where you incur mana loss through higher resists) - what fights are shadow priests still having to pot on? I think I pot on Illidan once per fight just to be safe in case my mana dog dies early - but that's about it. The higher regen from our spirit will help even more on top of things as well as shaman mana spring buffs, etc.

We'll see - but I don't think any shadow priest will have any issues reaching the hit cap (even without a skull).

10% from talents, 1% from head enchant - (1% if draenei or with a shaman) means only 4% needs to be found, which in reality is rather low. Worst case scenario, find 5% hit from your current gear/sunwell gear and drop inner focus. Not a huge deal even with all the gear swaps.

I giggled loudly @ this. You aren't wrong, but the truth is worth giggling @ to some extent.

I don't understand the: "All of the Alchemist Stone's "upgrades" are one stat. 54 crit/tank/spellhit rating, or 100~ of +heal. For non-hybrid classes, that's probably better. For me, it isn't."

Where you seem to prefer Hybrid gear. It's my impression that we've all long since moved on from Hybrid gear, and people want gear that benefits a very specific role very well, and if you have multiple roles then bring multiple sets of gear. No one's criticizing the stone because thy pigeonhole the user into 1 role.

And certainly no one's said that the healers should be underwhelmed by the new trinket.

Are we seriously complaining about "OMG CASUAL EPIX" regarding a *trinket* that is essentially the sole benefit to actually being an alchemist *and* requires you to chain-chug mana potions to get the effect?

No but I wouldn't mind complaining until the physical dps version either becomes a trinket with dps stats equivalent to at least WSC or Tsunami Talisman or the +% to pots includes something better then a heal/mana pot. The healer trinket is awesome, right on. Now make the rest comparable.

If you did more than scan my post for the word "casual" and start crying you would understand that my point was that the trinket is on par with something from Illidan for practically no cost, yet people are complaining it isn't good enough for their specific class/spec.

Also, if you're an alchemist you can burn through Mad Alchemist Potions for next to nothing. That's not a valid reason to complain.

In other news, Karazhan has had it's attunement requirement removed.

Right, the Redeemer's Alchemist Stone is one of the best trinkets available for probably all healing classes. It's got the highest amount of passive +healing you can get on a trinket (same as Memento and Glimmering Naaru Sliver) and a powerful mana-return effect. As an alchemist you may be using Mad Alchemist potions anyway, and then the 40% effect becomes even better since it applies to the health return as well. I'd say that between Mad Alchemist potions and the Redeemer's Stone, healer-alchemists will be very satisfied.

The complaints have by and large come from DPS classes that would like to see something that competes with the extremely powerful trinkets that are available to them.

Then option one, either that or it's completely useless outside healers, the odd extremely well geared dps caster and maybe a hunter (?). 54 crit rating puts it right about on par with the hourglass from BM.

haven't seen this mentioned yet.

up on the notes on MMO

I was wondering when they were going to do this. Good day for a lazy man and his alts. I wonder if this creates a bigger PUG community.