Mizerok

Kinda makes me wonder how many DPS classes actually have alchemy compared to the number of healers that have alchemy, and if Blizzard simply made the healing one, then said that they simple "had" to make one for anyone else that might have alchemy as well...just so they can't complain...

 

◊ Anias

The issue is that mana potions are vastly better than healing potions, and benefit healers exclusively in the case of the trinket.

As a warlock, I want something that would benefit destruction potions.

As a tank, I want something that would benefit ironshield potions.

As melee dps, I want something that benefits haste potions.

Noone cares about healing potions, as you do not eat them every cooldown in most cases and even if you did you'd probably be looking at greater protection or rejuvenation potions (hi2u loatheb)

The alchemist buff should be inate, instead of a trinket slot - your character is an alchemist, they just get xx% more from potions/elixirs. You can do this by making special "alchemist only flasks/potions" or you can do it by making an enchant they apply to a trinket/neck of their choice. (Enchant Neck: Chani's drinking tap: increases the effects of mana potions...)

Lastly:

Defense without stamina, given the state of the itemization formulas and effective life as they exist, is foolish.
Spell hit without spell damage, given the state of the itemization formulas and the hit cap as they exist, is foolish.

54 spell hit is great, right up until you add it all up and realize you cannot change your excess hit into +dmg. Same deal with defense vs dodge/stamina.

Something to consider going forward: removing caps on stat effectiveness gracefully. It's clearly going to come up again and it's enough of an irritant that it might be worth looking at. Having to get to precisely 202 spell hit is getting old in a hurry.

Math is very easy, explaining math is quite difficult.

 

PSGarak

Will there be a title associated with completing that attunement quest as well? And is the attunement quest a requisite to the inside-Kara quests?

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• GokieKS

FT Weapon I can see. But FT Totem is supposed to give a MS effect as well?

 

Mizerok

From what it looks like, yeah. Just means that rogues/melee DPS will be looking for red totems instead of green/blue totems.

@ PSGarak:

Nothing that I have seen so far would indicate that they would be adding a title, but who knows, could be a cool title as well, or something really, really stupid.

Seems to be that they removed the delay from the returns from drinking unless you are inside an arena, which is nice.

 

Nurru

DPS classes "should" have Enchanting, Jewelcrafting, Leatherworking and/or Tailoring on their mains. The reason being that dps craftables (best in slot robes in t4-t5 content, Sunwell robe), ring enchants, epic gems and drums all increase dps. Alchemy doesn't, especially considering that for most classes they lose dps by using the Alchemist's Stone. For this reason there is/was no reason to keep the profession on a dps raiding main.

< Aislinana> Why would it be my job to sleep with vontre? Don't I have standards?

 

◊ Penguin

The specific note was:
"Players will no longer need the Master’s Key to enter Karazhan. The gates to Karazhan will still require the Master’s Key to be unlocked."

So you'll need at least 1 keyed person to open the door, and I assume that the chaining of quests will remain intact. Doubtful that they would attach a title to it though.

There's not some hidden "but he tries really hard" variable built into the game. -Slake

I always love the "it doesn't fit my style of play" line. There are only two styles of play; Correct, and Incorrect. The only people that ever use this line are people with the incorrect style of play. -Sebudai

 

Mizerok

Right, and as all of us know, anyone can have whatever they want whenever they want, regardless of what class they might be, or spec either. The only plus for DPS classes to have alchemy is the convenience of not having to find someone to make potions for you, well, and now an OK trinket.

@ Karazhan Attunement Title:

Promethean, Is Casual

 

Nurru

Yes, but Blacksmithing has no use for a Mage and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Why does every profession need to be useful for every class and/or role? I could be misunderstanding you.

< Aislinana> Why would it be my job to sleep with vontre? Don't I have standards?

 

Illundai

Felmyst just died on the pull for us. Anyone else?

Yes, Death Knight tanks are/were too good in 3.0.x. Having 38k HP, 76.81% Avoidance (Miss incl.) and not gimping your threat in the first tier of gear is broken. (Yes this is clickable)

 

◊ Penguin

There's not some hidden "but he tries really hard" variable built into the game. -Slake

I always love the "it doesn't fit my style of play" line. There are only two styles of play; Correct, and Incorrect. The only people that ever use this line are people with the incorrect style of play. -Sebudai

 

Douglas

How?

My first thought is: asymptotically. The "problem" with that is, nobody could ever achieve today's success levels. You couldn't ever get your spell miss chance to effectively 0%. You could always add more and get some benefit from that, but the benefit would be less and less with each point added. This isn't necessarily a problem if new content is tuned around this, but finding the gear optimization sweet spots would get a lot more complex.

My second thought is: tie additional effects to the stat. Like, consider defense. A lot of people build it up to get crit-proof, then don't care so much about getting more, but getting more is not useless. It still adds avoidance. Maybe have spell hit in and of itself add a wee bit of crit, or raw power, or tweaked proc rates, or maybe even lowered mana costs, so going over 202 is not optimal, but is also not useless?

What else could work?

 

Illundai

Did anyone actually have enough time to kill/test the new version of her (they did get some new changes in on him btw)?

Yes, Death Knight tanks are/were too good in 3.0.x. Having 38k HP, 76.81% Avoidance (Miss incl.) and not gimping your threat in the first tier of gear is broken. (Yes this is clickable)

 

Mizerok

Doesn't, but people do expect Blizzard to cater to whatever the hell they wanna be, no matter how much it doesn't make sense. I for one don't see why in the hell you would wanna be an Alchemist outside of being a healer, but I am not the only person in the world, and I am sure that some casual dood somewhere is an alchemist...warlock...or something.

 

Skulli

Are the gates on the eu ptr open now? Would be pointless to disable first three bosses without

 

Caligula

"Conquistador of Deadwind Pass" maybe?

As for the Alchemy trinkets. If they're going to stick with each one being heavy in a single stat, it's a bit hard to make them balanced for PvE and PvP, and at the same time not making them 100% far and away best in slot items that would force everyone to take up Alchemy.

I, for one, don't mind the spell hit rating trinket. There is a plethora of spell haste laden items coming out, and even with a talented 10% to hit I'm almost worried that I wont be able to hit the cap. Replacing my T6 with the new Sunfire items alone will drop me to near the cap. If I try to add in a few more haste pieces on top of that I'll be short. I'd rather get all of my hit from a single slot and have freedom to pick and choose other pieces than have to gather every single decent piece of hit gear available just to dance around the cap while replacing the old gear with new Sunwell pieces. Either that or regem every time I get new piece of gear.

As for the crit rating one, what can they do? Change to hit rating? It would be mostly useless for Warriors? Haste rating? Same thing. Without custom tailoring each trinket to each class, someone is going to be disappointed no matter what.

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Touf

What class is actually going to prefer this over WF? Hunters? I guess if you have some weird resto shaman/ret pally combo it might work.

On second thought, this is sometimes better than wound mainhand for rogues...interesting.

 

dr_AllCOM3

Seems like they want to promote Protpalas. Phase 1 was doable for us, you just need the coordination in phase 2. Collect the adds and dodge the breath. Challenging, we liked it .

 

Vhex

Pretty certain that by the time WOTLK rolls around, they'll have given MS to every class anyways so I wouldn't worry too much about it. I've got my money on 2.5 adding a MS effect to fireblast.

I second the motion to make the alchemy stone just grant like +300 hp/mana when any pot is used, and then otherwise itemize them as fairly decent trinkets besides. Though as an enchanter, I'm eagerly awaiting our tradeskill buffs in this patch. WTB: Neck and belt enchants. <3

 

Caligula

Felmyst was significantly buffed last night when we attempted her. We certainly didn't come close to killing her, we had far too few healers online at the time.

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Emeraude

The new Blizzcast is up. BlizzCast Episode 2: Interviews with Chris Metzen, Geoff Goodman, Andy Chambers and Tom Chilton

One particular question caught my eye in relation to 2.4(PvE tokens for PvP gear), and the thought process.

 

tedv

Well the analogies to healing, the trinket people are most excited about, are spell damage, attack power, and stamina. 54 crit rating works out to 108 attack power, 65 spell damage, or 81 stamina. I can see issues with a passive 81 stamina in PvP, but the other two options seem pretty tame Even an 81 stam trinket is just 300 health more than the furies deck, which seems good but not horribly imbalanced in the grand scheme of things.

 

Tianira

The gates to the Twins seem to be open on EU PvE.

 

Wilken

All those complaining about the Defenders version, realize that it is a better version of the hydross trinket without the on use, and that most tanks use 1 stam trinket and 1 avoidance trinket right....

 

Brennik

Eagerly awaiting Shield Slam to receive an MS component. Since MS is kinda mandatory if you ever want to burst anything down it's probably "good" for the game to spread the ability around...

I won't enjoy playing any clothie in any arena bracket though.