One melee spec you left out was feral druids who really need some help in every bracket. They can find a minor niche in 5s as dps/cc/heal contributor but pretty much that spot should go to another class to make a stronger team. Some 2s teams work to about 2k.

Hopefully this paves the way for druids being able to use WF/FT totems. Blizzard already is letting us get the full effect of weightstones but not letting us have FT with this debuff attached would be pretty heinous. WF affecting bear form tanking would make threat go up by a significant amount while having only a minor effect on cat dps.

Doesn't flametongue operate like a spell? Chance to crit for 150%, chance for resists? Does the debuff apply if FT is resisted? (Assuming FT can be resisted at all)

It looks like (from the screenshots) it is physical, which means BoP does remove it but is is not dispelable.

EDIT: Beaten.

Is the trash to Eredar Twins bugging out for anyone else too? Let's say that after a wipe we keep getting into combat.

There should only be one summoner active. Right now all of them engage.

Thanks for explaining this better than I can. Anyone arguing "casters don't melee lol" is not really grasping the full meaning of this change in high end arena. 5v5 is very messy, 3v3 can be at times as well, if we're focusing someone and I see a holy light being cast and I have no way to interrupt it, the next thing I'm going to think about is hitting the guy with my healer mace if I'm in range. This can be easily done with some situational awareness, I'm not going to charge headfirst into melee range but if someone is running past me and I see his nameplate at 50% you bet I'm gonna whack him with FT just like I'll kill a random totem whenever I'm able to.

Flame tongue also doesn't have any of the drawbacks of the other healing debuffs. Mortal strike has a 6 seconds cooldown and will sometimes get dodged/parried, you can also disarm the warrior to prevent him from using it for a short while. Aimed shot has a 6 seconds cooldown and a casting time. Wounding Poison has to be stacked 5 times to be fully effective and can be dispelled in multiple ways.

The more I think about the shaman buff the less I see how it can get "abused" on caster groups. Its a buff to all enh shaman makeups and a decent addition to other builds (although much less so, as WF is still excellent for bursts).

Last I heard, spells that are natively instant do not reset the swing timers, but spells made instead by any means (including buffs and talents) will reset it. In terms of clutch Flametonguing, this is good for blink and bad for ghost wolf.

Wasn't the case for us. The next summoner would only engage if you went close or if the current one died.

It's actually a combination of both depending on class.

For Shamans and Paladins, spells that are baseline instant will not reset the swing timer. Spells that become instant through talents in any way will.
For other classes, instant spells will always reset the swing timer, regardless of whether or not the spell is baseline or talented instant.
Obviously the excepted classes don't tend to spend much time meleeing anyway.

This only applies to spells obviously; otherwise I'd need to include Rogues, Hunters, Warriors and Druids in a Feral form too, whom follow the same basic mechanic as Shamans/Paladins do. You could view it as that instant spells for Shamans and Paladins are effectively treated as instant melee abilities for purposes of swing timer reseting.

Do whirlwind and cleave currently transfer damage from non-weapon effects? Blade flurry only does the weapon damage to the second target - any poison procs or weapon enchantments like fiery only apply to the original target and it only counts as a single attack for determining whether a proc occurs. I suppose it is possible Flametongue and whirlwind or cleave would behave differently, but that seems unlikely.

And then they updated the PTR patch notes ....

Well MMO champion's latest posted patch notes says that it does. I will try and check the behaviour of flametongue with cleave/ww tonight when i get home.

Because it DOES proc off the flametongue totem weapon enchant, according to the revised patch notes.

Ah I didn't see that sorry.

The quote on top of mmoc says otherwise.

Same thing applies to warriors - slam resets timer.

At least the very least a long time ago things like mindflay and arcane missiles would frontload the timer reset so when you're soloing if the mob is on top of you you get to staff it after you're finish channeling and before casting another spell.

For ghostwolf - that means your swing timer starts when you start casting ghostwolf, so if it takes you longer than your weapon speed to run to the guy you want to whack you'll whack him right away.

I wonder if all the dropping of attunements is basically to make it easier to let warlocks summon players into instances? Perhaps it simplifies the implementation. Why on earth drop Kara attunement from a gameplay perspective? Besides heroics, will any outland instance require attunement anymore? And are they silently dropping attunements for old-world content like Naxx etc (which actually makes a lot more sense than dropping kara)? Hmm.

Clearly having to buy the non epic flying mount was just too much for some people. Also BM is next to impossible apparently.

Have you tried to run regular Arcatraz lately? Unless you're 5 boxing you could spend hours or days looking for a party (Hint: I know this because my fiancee is currently stuck in this position). The attunement to Kara is far outdated. I'd say it should have been removed when the SSC/TK attunement was removed. It's completely pointless now and serves no purpose. Especially with the release of ZA, small guilds trying to gear up people to progress through there also have to go back to multiple level 70 five-man instances for a simple key fragment. It's a waste of time.

They're making things more alt-friendly. They've explained this in the past -- attunements work well as a pacing mechanism at the outset and to require people to both prove their experience and their gear are adequate to survive certain content. But late in the expansion's life cycle, more and more people are hitting 70 as alts and rerolls, finding nonheroic instance groups can be tough (my warlock did all of his Kara attunement via heroics, starting at 69, fwiw), and they really just aren't serving the same goal. A player who knows every pull of Kara by heart and has taken the time to get good crafted and questable gear on his alt, and knows he can walk right in with a group of established friends and do just fine isn't going to particularly enjoy having the roadblock of a bunch of instance runs before he can do so. Also it used to be that the only way to really gear up for Kara was to run a bunch of instances at 70, just as the only way to gear up for SSC and TK was to do a bunch of t4 content and heroics. The attunements also led people down the proper progression path. Now you can start getting t5 and even t6-equivalent gear the moment you hit 70.

The ideal solution would be to have attunements be account-specific. I think I've read that Blizzard one day hopes to implement that.

A guildie of mine literally had to pay people to run his new toon far enough to get his Kara attunement. Going back to the old instances non-heroic is a very undesirable thing to do with content being as spread out as it is now.

I recall reading something similar, though my memory recalls a server-specific solution. Either way, it'd be a really graceful way to handle attunements. Ultimately, the risks of someone's alt or reroll bypassing the lower tiers of content and being carried through the end-game by his/her guild has no implications on the intended lifespan.

Hopefully we'll see that sort of thing sooner rather than later.