• squiffy

Unless they plan on un-nerfing it, TF doesn't break cc anyways, as the jumping proc is non-damaging.

 

Copernicus

Whoops. The patch notes said [Thunderstrike]. There was also [Masterwork Stormhammer] as the only other item listed. I'll edit my post.

 

• squiffy

Aw damn, I'd rather they un-nerfed TF to be honest

 

Roywyn

Whenever our survival hunter is online, his multi shots account for the majority of broken sheep ...
Never remember huge issues with cleave/WW, but Thunder Clap broke quite a few sheep too. Still far beyond multi shot :o


Edit: Aha. Multi shot is on the official list, but not on mmo-champion. My bad, didn't double check.

 

Sapa

One of reasons is travel time
Many times when I fired MS on trash I saw mob getting sheeped when arrow was at its face already.

http://sig.gamerdna.com/quizzes/INFL...jerks/Sapa.png

 

◊ songster

Can someone on the PTR check out whether the changes to cleave etc. also affect Blade Flurry? It's not listed in the patch notes but that could be an oversight.

 

Anaram

My guess is that all non-tanking abilities will keep breaking sheep. Cleave can be used for DPS purposes as well as for tanking, but seeing how no abilities used exclusively to DPS were included, I think it highly unlikely they'd change those.

 

• Chicken

If it's intended to break only on non-tanking abilities it's a bit odd Consecration would be excluded. It's a bread and butter tanking ability for any Paladin.

Though on the other hand I can't say I mind, I hate people that try CCing in my 5-mans.

Edit: Ah it's for chaining abilities, Avenger's Shield is changed. I guess I'll just have to aim for Sapped mobs from now on.

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- to reduce or deaden the force of

 

Cavein

Regarding the change to cleave in the current ptr build, I would appreciate it if anyone who has a chance to test this would share any details.

For example, if there are three mobs with one sheeped does cleave hit the two remaining mobs or is there a new message like if you try and cleave a banished mob (immune: banished).

I hope that this change may include sweeping strikes eventually.

 

• dragon12

Considering that Multishot (and to a lesser extent Felguard Cleave and the weapons) are on the list as well, it seems unlikely that tanking abilites are their focus.

As someone else alluded to a few posts back, it looks like the change is in the code that chooses secondary targets for abilities (ie whatever code decides what other mobs apart from the current target will be targetted by MS). This is why we're not seeing the change for any area-based aoe effects.

 

Prinsesa

Wouldn't that make tanking a little TOO easy? CC as much as you want AND get to stand wherever you want WHILE putting out as much TPS as before (on single targets)?

I've hardly had any issues with Consecration breaking CC when I didn't want it to - it's all about training the Mage to Poly immediately after the AS. If it walks into my circle of tanking, I get to keep it.

"We do want Sanctuary to be the tanking seal"

- Ghostcrawler

 

• Chicken

No, it'd make tanking too hard. You need damage to get mana!

I was more responding to someone mentioning it being aimed at tanking abilities, not seriously suggesting that Consecration should not break CC.

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- to reduce or deaden the force of

 

Anaram

If indeed multi shot is on the list, then quite clearly the change is NOT aimed only at tanking abilities, but that's not something I have information on presently.

 

• dragon12

From patch notes:

 

• Daboran

An apt quote from one my guildies on our guild forums about the cc breaking changes:
I mostly agree with this sentiment - honestly, how hard is it to drag your tanked mob away from a cc mob? In my opinion it's one of those many small things that seperates your good tanks from your bad ones.

 

• Gros

Errmmm..this is a huge change. I can understand the frustration for some classes, but the interest of the cc is getting lost with this.
Hope they will remove it (unless it's a needed change for some sunwell boss).

 

Prinsesa

It's not always that simple - Avenger's Shield is thrown prior to the pull - if the pull is less than four targets, AS will hit all the mobs. You can't Sap prior to the the AS because the AS will break it afterwards. You can't Sap after the AS because you'd already be in combat.

The Felguard's Cleave is a significant part of its DPS, and having to turn it off to avoid breaking CC can be quite the loss. Yes, one could always move the target, but a pet by itself already garners enough attention without having to involve the tank (assuming Cleave is only problematic ability, that's a lot of work for just the pet).

Multi-shot is a little along the same lines: Powerful enough that skipping out on it can cost you some DPS, with a coned targeting shape and large range that makes it difficult to just "aim away from the CC'd mob".

Granted, I'd consider Swipe to be like Consecration such that it's your own damn fault if you unintentionally break CCs with it, but the inclusion is probably based on mechanical similarities rather than practical usage ones.

"We do want Sanctuary to be the tanking seal"

- Ghostcrawler

 

• Daboran

Unless there's some Sunwell encounters that require masses of crowd control I just don't see the point. There's been no raid instances yet that require more than 2 or 3 mobs controlled at any one time and I don't know of many raids that run with less than two mages, 2 warlocks and a hunter. I can't remember that we have ever asked for a Sap on a raid mob.

Of course, my above statement could be the very reason it's been changed, and we could be due to see a tight corridor with no room to space out and 10-mob trash pulls of which 8 need to be crowd controlled Oh joy.

 

Fugazor

There are people out there playing 5-mans too. Make it work for TC, WW, sweeping strikes and blade flurry. Please!
Or maybe it is already working for those, just not in notes. Anyone care to check?

 

• Maels

It's a great Felguard change, warlocks have had to turn cleave off when doing arenas/heroics with a mage if they wanted to be effective, but cleave is a huge part of Felguard dps.

 

Mordekhuul

The AS change will be quite nice on trash pulls in ZA. Pulling with AS while mages try to get sheep down before the mobs close won't be dangerous anymore.

Edit - Now that I think more, it may or may not help. If AS takes flight just before sheep hits, will it still bounce to the sheep, or not? I'm thinking it will. We'll have to test it.

Also, looks like Blizzard is using some internal data on class prevelance in arenas to justify not nerfing warlocks (and not buffing shaman perhaps).

 

Darkrenown

I dunno, previously our AH has always had a lot of cheap green gems. I've been levling a JC alt so I've been browsing the gem section a lot recently. Suddenly, just after the brilliant glass patch, they're almost all gone and the ones left all cost over a gold. It could be coincidence, but I doubt it.

 

ZeroWashu

If going by guild chat were an indication, people just vendor them unless the resident JCs can be bothered to cut one that might be useful on a pre 70 item for a guildy. Now that there is some possible value I will have to stockpile a few of each, like 2 stacks or so

 

Hylo

I believe the change is indeed targetted to 5-mans where some pulls can be quite tricky if you are running with a slow mage for example.

In raids one tank usually handles only 1-2 mobs but in 5-mans you can end up tanking up to 4 different mobs - something that is easy for a paladin but trickier to other tanks. Looking to the tank-situation these days I can't see it a bad thing to help 5-man tanking a bit

 

• Jamor

I would say that TC amounts for a good amount of broken sheep while raiding in my guild. Although we do run mostly warrior tanks (one feral, no pally <yet>).