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Old 02/09/08, 11:13 PM   #476
Copernicus
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Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3 View Post
Sunmotes seem to be a way to get more loot out of bosses without expanding the loottable.
I think it's also for the expansion.

Everyone respecs to a DPS spec and still gets to use all their shiny Sunwell loot.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:14 PM   #477
Muggins
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Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
It doesn't quite look like that Oaken. From the ss there there is no hunter loot there. Which means you can't exchange it for it. What it looks like you can do is the following:

Warrior tank >< dps
Pally tank/holy/ret
Shaman resto/ele (no enh loot there)
Druid feral/boomkin/resto
Priest dps/holy
Actually the feral loot shares the rogue sets so its more like:

Warrior tank/dps
Paladin heal/tank (haven't seen any ret gear actually unless you count the warrior dps)
Shaman resto/ele
Druid resto/moonkin
Rogue/Feral Druid
Priest holy/Caster Dps

MIA: Enhancement shaman/hunters

edit: bah beaten, thread is moving too damn fast

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Old 02/09/08, 11:14 PM   #478
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Originally Posted by monkorn View Post
The interesting new mechanic of the nonset loot -> offspec loot is that you can play with the tanking/healing gear now, then the day before the expansion is released swap it out for your desired leveling spec without really wasting any gear.
Unfortunately its one way so you cannot do this for every slot. A boss will drop a moonkin chest. If you want the healing chest you will have to swap it and reacquire the moonkin chest.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:14 PM   #479
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A couple other points of interest: one of the files in the Muru textures directory is VoidGod_Skin. There's also a seperate void god texture directory. Voidgod may be a part of the Muru encounter (read one of my earlier spoilers for a guess as to how). Or not!

There's also a mesh labeled NetherDrakonidBoss. 5 man?

Melador> Incidentally, these last few pages are why people hate lawyers.
Viator> I really don't want to go all Kalman here.
Bury> Just imagine what the world would be like if you used your powers for good.

Clearly law school has done wonders for me.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:17 PM   #480
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Has anyone got pictures from inside the new instances yet?

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Old 02/09/08, 11:20 PM   #481
Muggins
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There seems to be some problems with getting copied characters ingame at the moment. The time i was on i only saw a single level 70 running around surrounded by hordes of lvl 1s that swam across. A general /who didn't bring any more up either, so it might be a while before anyone gets inside and brings back some shots.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:23 PM   #482
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Ya, my characters haven't copied yet. I also logged out, as there was nothing else to check out :p.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:25 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by Kalman View Post
A couple other points of interest: one of the files in the Muru textures directory is VoidGod_Skin. There's also a seperate void god texture directory. Voidgod may be a part of the Muru encounter (read one of my earlier spoilers for a guess as to how). Or not!

There's also a mesh labeled NetherDrakonidBoss. 5 man?
If you take the Voidgod screenshot and the M'uru screenshot and compare them side by side, you can see that the structure attached to the Voidgod is identically shaped to part of M'uru's structure.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:29 PM   #484
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WOW, they just posted JC BoP neck pieces and the melee one is outrageously good.
MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies
Sample:

42 Stamina
Yellow Socket (4 Attack power bonus)
Equip: Improves Haste rating by 29
Equip: Increases attack power by 58
Equip: Your attacks ignore 150 of your opponent's armor.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:30 PM   #485
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Either I'm blind or no one posted the graphics for new tabard yet:

Shattered Sun Offensive tabard

Really nice design imo (for once!), it's become somewhat of a habit to collect all the nice-looking tabards in-game and this'll be a worthy addition.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:39 PM   #486
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The implications for dps casters seem clear: Pick up +hit on your cloak/rings/neck/trinkets/weapons.

Sigh, now I have to go get a [Tempest of Chaos].

Second, the tailored BoP Sunfire Robe is incredibly superior to anything else in the game.

Last edited by Krazen : 02/10/08 at 12:08 AM.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:41 PM   #487
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Originally Posted by Comic Book Villain View Post
Either I'm blind or no one posted the graphics for new tabard yet:

Shattered Sun Offensive tabard

Really nice design imo (for once!), it's become somewhat of a habit to collect all the nice-looking tabards in-game and this'll be a worthy addition.
Wow, maybe time to finally retire my old [Tabard of the Protector].

I'm really curious to see how this new loot turn-in system works. It has the potential to offset the terrible luck inherent with the RNG system, but in the end it could be just as bad if you keep getting the same piece over and over again. Should be something to watch though.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:46 PM   #488
Vulkaire
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Originally Posted by Switchblade View Post
WOW, they just posted JC BoP neck pieces and the melee one is outrageously good.
MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies
Sample:

42 Stamina
Yellow Socket (4 Attack power bonus)
Equip: Improves Haste rating by 29
Equip: Increases attack power by 58
Equip: Your attacks ignore 150 of your opponent's armor.
Those necks are pretty nice. The spell damage one requiring 2 Crimson Spinels is just wrong though. Of all the gems to pick...

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Old 02/09/08, 11:46 PM   #489
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
You're misreading my post. SSC being made irrelevant doesn't affect me at all -- I consumed that content and moved on long ago. Content didn't start being disposable until TBC, but I think people accepted the need for that sort of "reset" to fix the gear gap, to make it remotely possible to tune the expansion for Naxx raiders and brand new 60s alike, etc. What has emerged over the past 6-8 months, however, is rapidly accelerated cycles of obsolescence. It's not just the idea of standalone expansions that replace what came before and will eventually be supplanted by the next expansion; it's the fact that Blizzard almost seems to be making this up as they go along. It feels clumsy. They created a blue-->t4-->t5-->t6 progression model that made sense for PvE, but then they've completely disrupted it with little regard for the elegance that it initially entailed. It leaves me with a general feeling of uncertainty and discomfort with the state of the game at any given time, sort of a "why do anything, if everything becomes irrelevant in a matter of months?"
The philosophy behind this is more of a season than of a permanent advantage. If I remember correctly some Community Manager or other blue poster wrote something about the introduction of competition in PVE progression. If the next saison or the next raid instance is patched in the race starts anew. Only the difference will be much smaller.

While I am absolutely in favor of closing or tighten the gear gap regulary I cannot see the points about titles. Why isn't a title like "Hand of Ad'al" only granted to people that downed Illidan before patch 2.3 hit for example. What they are doing right now is like giving a Gladiator title for everyone that can collect the full Season 1 set.

Raiders should get their status symbols, but I love the idea of closing the gear gap every now and then. So give the raiders the titles, the mounts and some weeks of dominance with their new toys and then close the gap again.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:46 PM   #490
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Originally Posted by Krazen View Post
The implications for dps casters seem clear: Pick up +hit on your cloak/rings/neck/trinkets/weapons.

Sigh, now I have to go get a [Tempest of Chaos].
Still hit on the belt, but yeah I noticed that too. Might be why the new staff has such a high amount (50) of +hit on it.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:50 PM   #491
Illundai
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Worldofraids forums :: Raid boss? Inside or out?

That's where I went inside the Dead Scar, I was just too amazed to screenshot what was going on .

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Old 02/09/08, 11:52 PM   #492
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Originally Posted by Comic Book Villain View Post
Either I'm blind or no one posted the graphics for new tabard yet:

Shattered Sun Offensive tabard

Really nice design imo (for once!), it's become somewhat of a habit to collect all the nice-looking tabards in-game and this'll be a worthy addition.
I think the last tabard I bothered wearing more than a day was Argent Dawn's, from naxxramas opening event. It looked pretty similar to this one too.

As for the items, there sure looks to be a lot of good stuff. My warrior will be able to get a new crafted neck assuming the mats drop from the 5man or something, and not from the 25man, and that healing neck at exalted might replace my S3 pvp neck for my pve gear(depending on the proc, but the only neck that's a clear upgrade currently ingame seems to be the spell crit one from BT, and that sure is a lot of wasted points for a druid).

Well well, seems there will be some stuff to do on the PTR tomorrow, or next week depending on when it goes up again and stays up for a decent amount of time. They also seem to have kept the whole sunwell base progress event stuff out of ptr, since you start at the beggining. I guess they'll keep it for live servers, like the AQ event. Means a lot of hotfixes as they find bugs in their stuff ^^.

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Old 02/09/08, 11:53 PM   #493
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From MMo-champions:

Tailoring: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/.../newtailor.jpg
Leatherworking: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herworking.jpg

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Old 02/10/08, 12:02 AM   #494
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Looking at that crafted BoE stuff (and presumably BoE patterns for the BoP stuff) I get mega $$$ in my eyes. Wow. Our guild bank will be extremely more rich than it is now once all guildies have that stuff.

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Old 02/10/08, 12:05 AM   #495
Xav
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I don't understand why the items coming out of Sunwell are equal or LOWER iLvL than the T6 items in those same slots. The warrior tanking shoulders, legs, and chest are lower ilvl than Onslaught. However, some are better just due to better itemization - but still. Are only the last few bosses going to be higher ilvl, or something? I don't know how to do it, but just by looking, it appears the new T6 items (wrist/belt/boots) are indeed higher item level.

Maybe I misread the blue posts about Sunwell, but I thought they said it will start off equal to T6 level, and then go higher from there, so seeing items that are lower is weird.

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Old 02/10/08, 12:05 AM   #496
Pamine
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So the tailored items:

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/.../newtailor.jpg

Either the patterns have to be 25-man sunwell rare loot, or those mats make no sense.

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Old 02/10/08, 12:06 AM   #497
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Since it hasn't been posted, the Blacksmithing stuff too.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...blacksmith.jpg

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Old 02/10/08, 12:06 AM   #498
Playered
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Originally Posted by Pyros View Post

Well well, seems there will be some stuff to do on the PTR tomorrow, or next week depending on when it goes up again and stays up for a decent amount of time. They also seem to have kept the whole sunwell base progress event stuff out of ptr, since you start at the beggining. I guess they'll keep it for live servers, like the AQ event. Means a lot of hotfixes as they find bugs in their stuff ^^.
There are areas on the map which when you go over them stated "Held by the enemy", which means its not unlocked I believe.

It would be funny if you need to unlock the last 3 bosses of Sunwell to make the badge vendor spawn (provided its BoJ), thats a pretty good incentive for casuals to really help out :P


The leatherworking chest is a 17healing, 7mp5, 5~sta/int upgrade over T6 (provided 3x Spinel in both), nice.

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Old 02/10/08, 12:08 AM   #499
♦ Praetorian
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Originally Posted by Pamine View Post
So the tailored items:

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/.../newtailor.jpg

Either the patterns have to be 25-man sunwell rare loot, or those mats make no sense.
Duh, it's just like the existing raid recipes.

Sunmote = Heart of Darkness

You have patterns to make BoP items using simple mats, and patterns to make BoE items using rare raid mats.

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Old 02/10/08, 12:10 AM   #500
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Idol of the Crescent Goddess - Equip: Reduces the mana cost of Regrowth by 65(33)
Idol of Feral Shadows - Equip: Increases periodic damage done by Rip by ?(4) per combo point.
Idol of the Raven Goddess - Equip: Increases the healing granted by the Tree of Life form aura by 44(20), adds 20(9) critical strike rating to the Leader of the Pack aura, and adds 20(9) spell critical strike rating to the Moonkin form aura.
Idol of Ursoc - Equip: Increases periodic damage done by Lacerate by ?(3) per application.
Idol of the White Stag - Equip: Your Mangle ability also increases your attack power by 94 for ?(12) sec.

Libram of Absolute Truth - Equip: Reduces the mana cost of Holy Light by ?(27).
Libram of Divine Purpose - Equip: Increases the damage done by your Seal of Righteousness and Judgement of Righteousness abilities by up to 94(63).
Libram of Mending - Equip: Your Holy Light spell grants 22 mana per 5 sec. for 30(10) sec.
Libram of Righteous Power - Equip: Increases the damage dealt by Crusader Strike by ?(19.8).
Libram of Souls Redeemed - Equip: Increases the benefit your Flash of Light and Holy Light spells receive from Blessing of Light by ?(105).
Libram of Wracking - Equip: Reduces the mana cost of your Exorcism and Holy Wrath spells by ?(30).
Tome of the Lightbringer - Equip: Your Judgement ability also increases your shield block value by ?(93) for ?(4) sec.

Totem of the Pulsing Earth - Equip: Reduces the mana cost of Lightning Bolt by 27(25).

Couldn't sniff them all as people hadn't logging in with them. (You no longer get disconnected this way.. the tooltip just displays 'waiting for server...')

These are quite substantial buffs to the relic slots.

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