Krazen

It will be rather absurd (but not unexpected) if that Sunfire Robe pattern drops off trash mobs at the front of the instance. It's far superior to the boss drop.

I just dumped tailoring for leatherworking...looks like I will have to reverse that.

 

Pamine

Yes but sunwell has no attunement. If they drop from trash or some of the first bosses everyone is gonna go get them is what I meant.

 

Hylo

Well it's in line with other craftables; tier2 engineering helm is superior to T6, same with blacksmithing recipies.

I know Blizzard wants the professions to be worthwhile but this is going over the board imo.

 

flyingtoastr

That depends how much trash there is before the first boss. According to the report I read, Brutalicious (or whatever his name is) will be a Patchwerk scale gear check. If there is no trash before him, you can assume that no one except the hardcore progressed raiders will be seeing patterns or sunmotes anytime soon.

 

Baka

Every Caster had some form of a crafted robe at the beginning of TBC-Raiding, and I know of a warrior who gathered an entire Raidgroup for his Stunherald. I don't see where the problem should be nowadays.
It's NOT a bad thing, please focus on news, not rants.

 

jusion

When you use Rating Buster, you get ilvls of 159-164 for all the token gear, 154 for the new t6 pieces. Blizzard must have just changed things up, or they aren't finished, or something.

 

Starfire

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't T3 spread through different levels?

[Ring of Faith] - ilevel 92
[Circlet of Faith] - ilevel 88
[Sandals of Faith] - ilevel 86

So then I ask, if there is past precedent for this before, why would it matter now?

 

Draele

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/.../newtailor.jpg

Makes me wonder if there's a Shadowcloth reagent one for Affliction/Shadow? No crit, extra +DMG, some spirit or mp5 as well perhaps? Anyone seen anything to this degree?

Rantings of the Afflicted, a Warlock blog: http://draele.blogspot.com/

 

jusion

Since TBC (i think), the ilvls of all items were linked to the amount of armor on the items. With this new gear, that's not the case. I'm not talking about having a range of ilvls.

 

Shawn

Am I blind or what? Where did you see those stats? The only thing I saw so far were the reagents for the upgrades.

 

◊ Acustar

It's from MMO. http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...newgoggles.jpg

 

crimsonsentinel

Can anyone look into the new int=>spirit regen change? As in, what ratio does int affect regen, etc.

 

Emeraude

The new crafting items seem to blow away Tier 6 items.

The Blacksmithing Breast Plate is amazing.
+1.03% crit(Roughly 23 crit rating), +8 str, + 154 Armor pen, -16 hit.

And with all the armor pen floating around now, those Gauntlets are an upgrade as well.

 

Pagaen

Yeah, I'm very interested to see where this is going. Will it make mp5 worthless for spi-based healers? I prefer mp5 over spi right now, mostly because Royal Nightseye are over-budget. Will this make +8 spi gems actually worth something? or getting +15 spi over +6mp5 to chest?

This could be huge for druids and priests.

 

rozakk

Has anyone seen or heard of the new badge loot yet from the ptr?

 

Starfire

Consequently, it could be a huge nerf for druids and priests. We really need someone to test this for us. It shouldn't be very hard if the mp5 tooltip updates with fluctuations in spirit/intellect. Posting numbers would be greatly appreciated. (eg x spirit and y intellect = z mana regen... then make a table).

 

caxt

sigh, just don't see how they can justify the leather healing chest from http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herworking.jpg >>>> Thunderheart Tunic - Items - World of Warcraft

Doesn't even require sunmotes. If the pattern for it isn't a bop drop from inside SW25, I don't even know what to say.

edit: even then, an instance that is supposed to carry on the previous tier shouldn't invalidate arguably the most powerful item in the set by such a large margin. its over 20 healing plus around 7 mp5, just like going from T5 -> T6, except T6 still drops in the same instance.

also, it has less armor than T6. Going out on a limb but I'd guess its higher iLvL.

 

Kasi

Like Gurg said on the last page. This is the same as T5 and T6. Easy to make BoP crafted drops from inside the instance and expensive to make boe drops using mats from inside the instance.

 

Lithose

If you look at the onslaught belt, for example..

993 Armor
65 Stamina
One socket
24 Defense rating
28 Expertise rating (wow)
40 Dodge rating
56 Block value.

Compared to Gurtog's belt.

993 Armor
56 Stamina
2 Sockets
19 Defense rating
19 Dodge rating
56 Block value.

I'm not an expert on item formula, but 1 socket =/= 28 expertise, 21 Dodge, 6 defense and 9 stamina

The items all seems to be of a much much higher Ilvl then their 141 BT counter-parts, but their armor doesn't seem to be any higher, strangely enough..

 

katholas

Maybe they are finally breaking their own rule about where item points can come from. Makes sense seeing how close people are coming to the armor cap.

 

thorin5

It really does make sense. And seeing expertise on set gear is a welcome change, especially when it means not giving up avoidance stats just to get it.

 

baghwan2

I'm in the same state of mind as some previously posted, about how the heroic badge T6 equal gear will gradually become available as the offensive comes along. Means raiders are not left out in the dry trying to complete the offensive and will get their boss spawns and casuals have something extremely desirable to work toward, both working together.

Wont be any of this "I'm not going to be raiding AQ40/20, why should I help out farm cloth"

I wonder how long the Offensive will take, will it be having its own official website worthy(aka AQ server gate race) or week or two bonus rep farm(aka Argent Dawn Naxx)

 

Northerner

I'm still puzzled though on why they are featuring spirit on new Mage raiding gear. I wouldn't expect them to go back through old stuff but if this is indeed the expansion's Naxxramus, I have the expectation that they'd nail the itemization. My theory up until now was that the "upcoming spirit changes" would impact all spirit-using classes, while clearly this implementation really doesn't (outside of arcane specced mages of course).

That's honestly not a complaint, as I imagine we'd simply be rebalanced if the iPoints were moved around. It does strike me as odd however. Speaking of things that strike me as odd though:

The bolding is mine. It just struck me as an arbitrary date unless it is just boilerplate from back when.

 

Nathariel

My guess is that it is supposed to be 2007 rather than 2006.

 

Lambach

Its probably 3 months before they plan to officially open US test server. I'm milidy aware that some are open now, but that was probably the date they talked about when they wrote that.

Edit: and yeah, 2007, not 2006.