I've got a character over on the PTR now, and I can confirm (if it hasn't been already) that Shattrath Flasks do not appear to include Sunwell raid instances.

What I am interested in knowing is if epic gems drop in Sunwell 25. If not.. oh boy.

Edit: the answer is yes.. Worldofraids forums :: BT Gems in Sunwell!

I hope that Blizzard forgot to add this, and will implement this in the live patch. I don't see any reason why the flasks wouldn't be able to be used in the sunwell.

Confirmed that epic gems drop in Sunwell Plateau.

3 new things I haven't seen mentioned here yet:

- You can now link abilities by shift clicking them (i.e.: [Aspect of the Hawk])

- Ritual of Summoning no longer costs a soul shard (not 100% about this one, not a warlock)

- Your backpack now tells you how many free slots you have remaining for all your bags when you hover over it

Great stuff. I input this into open office and ran LINEST (Linear Regression Estimator). The formula I got is

where R is the regen out of combat, S is spirit, I is the intellect and . Note that the regression strength was 0.99 so this formula seems pretty solid.

Someone else said that which does not work out with numbers provided.

The next step would be for someone to keep the value of Int fixed and vary Spirit. We already have and once someone provides the other set of data will we will have and using this we could construct the complete formula.

PS: Apologies to any statisticians out there on my butchering of terminology. I am a mathematician so I don't know the conventions and lexicon of Statistics.

PPS: Bekah, could you also list how much regen you have naked and how much mp5 you are wearing?

Confirmed, ritual of summoning has no reagent cost. I just hope this is actually intentional and not a bug :P.

You had me SO hopeful for a moment, as it would've meant I wasn't dreading the 2.4 patch.

Alas, it still does require a shard.


(edit) to two posts above: I took screenshots before and after. It very definitely used a shard.

(edit2) I did the summon outside an instance. Maybe that's the difference?

Your regression is solid; your assumption about the formula is not. Remember, spirit->regen formula is well known, and we have to stick to it.

(spirit/X + 12.5)*2.5 = OO5SR regen for priests
(spirit/Y + 14)*2.5 = OO5SR regen for druids

Work within that framework, and you should find a logarithmic relationship -- this holds true because anything under ~ 280 intellect REDUCES your regen (I'm working on this area of the curve right now).

Edit: confirmed -- anything UNDER 300 intellect reduces your regen, anything OVER 300 intellect increases it. The relationship is based around a log(int/300) factor.

Could you post some more numbers? I only have the stuff that Bekah gave to work with so I can't prove one way or the other.

It isn't listing a soul shard requirement in the spellbook. I'll try actually summoning to see if it consumes a shard despite not listing it as a requirement.
Edit: Definitely consumed a shard. God, that crushed my dreams.

Beware doing much guild management -- I /gleadered another member of my guild and it didn't "take" so we're GM-less now.

Seeing good work on the int factor here. Since constantius set up a good int -> regen relationship, the next question I have is does level affect the int factor? I'd hope so, at least, given that a low int will lower your regen.

My Dark Riding Talbuk's galloping noise seems to have changed so it's now slower than it was in the past.

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but apparently everyone over a certain level or rep gets the Shattered Sun Staging Area flight point by default.

Does "For Great Honor" gives rep with WSG/AB/AV like old version?

Let's hope the tooltip is correct and they missed changing the actual ability.

• LC Arena Battlemaster has moved:


• You do indeed ride Dragonhawks out of Quel'Danas:


• New Goblin NPC by the cooking pot in Shatt:

I'll reserve judgment until we see what this alleged "badge loot" looks like, but so far that's the one thing I find somehow disturbing. The 2.3 badge of justice loot was about providing a catch up path to get the "behind the curve" guilds moving through SSC/TK and ZA and it worked. Bravo. And it required enough badges that it wasn't entirely trivial yet made the desire to enter and conquer BT and Hyjal strong.

If you can go farm heroics for badges and get better loot than what's in BT, something very wrong will be in place with the incentive structure. Maybe it's me, but the way I saw the structure of the loot in ZA and the badge vendor was "do SSC and TK and don't necessarily over worry about farming Vashj and Kael forever." And then Blizzard, lo, heard the desire for the many terrific items off Vashj and Kael and offered a path more directly to them -- exact path TBD.

Taking out the attuements but requiring the vials for the Hyjal rings? Very fair compromise for incentives. But with adding the extra tier tokens and tuning Sunwell for Tier 6, I thought the whole pitch was "do BT and Hyjal" and then go beat Sunwell. And there is time quite frankly for guilds just starting out in Tier 6 content. There is a good 4-6 months before the expansion can drop under the optimistic scenarios. That's time enough to beat the game.

I'm confused as to why any meaningful badge of justice rewards higher than those that just recently dropped in 2.3 should be added at this time. I'm confused as to why Karazhan farming should be encouraged over Black Temple farming to beat Sunwell. I hope whatever Drysc was speaking about is highly limited in scope (very few items, very few slots) and very expensive badge-wise. Overly cheapening endgame vs. making it accessible is a fine line. So far, my guild 4./5 Hyjal, 2/9 BT fairly recently hasn't felt like it's been too cheapened. We only beat the nerfed Kael, but it was still enough of a challenge. We had some people in new heroic loot, but mostly farmed the crap out of tier 5 and ZA. We are enjoying the relatively easy early Hyjal/BT bosses. It'd be nice to care about the loot in BT and want to get everyone full tier 6, rather than have the same "let's kill Illidan once or twice" attitude many people took towards Kael.

Here's my current model for Intellect -> Spirit regeneration.

First off, assume it doesn't matter whether you are a priest or a druid: the modification is made to the SCALING FACTOR. Everything you compute must be based on that fact.

Druids:
(spirit / x + 14) * 2.5 = regen OO5SR from spirit

Priests:
(spirit / x + 12.5) * 2.5 = regen OO5SR from spirit

If you're computing anything, take off static Mp5, ignore every factor but intellect, spirit, and regen ignoring static factors.

Now, having said that, I used Bekah's numbers for priests for the majority of my high intellect computations, and numbers that Shadowed and I (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ecrown&n=Mayen) came up with using his character transferred to the PTR. I'm not going to post all the details for now; I have a spreadsheet I'll try to clean up and post later.

Basically, here's the conclusions:
1) Relationship of intellect to spirit is logarithmic. If you have under 300 intellect, you will LOSE regen. If you have over 300 intellect, you GAIN regen.
2) Relationship of factor is quadratic in scaling, to prevent over-scale at the high end.

To find your regen, do the following:

L = - log (int/300)

Factor = Base_factor + (6 L^2 + 7.2 L)

Then (spirit/factor+12.5)*2.5.

I'm not completely happy with the regression curve at the moment, but I'm almost 100% positive that the factor WILL be -log(int/300). The only question is how that factor merges into the actual conversion from your base spirit factor to your actual PTR spirit factor.

The only way to get it more precise is to get a *ton* more data in the range around 300 intellect and down. We need a couple of hundred points in the 110 -> 330 intellect range. Go go.

Kinda weird having Kalecgos as first boss when the blue dragons at Brutallus ask where Kalecgos is :S

That corpse in the 2nd pic isn't Kalegos. It's another blue dragon.

Come on Kalegos...live... -_-

Madrigosa, as you can see in the screenshot!

He's dead though.

I moved the Spirit<->Int stuff to its own thread. Please add your inputs there so we can track them and don't lose them in the fluff.

http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t21280-i...rycrafting_hq/