2.4 PTR and Patch Notes - Page 45

Axanor · 02/12/08, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by Enova

I'm not sure that people are bothered with items being ilevel 141.
It's more a matter of 25 man raids not dropping badges and thus forcing people to do heroics/kara/Za, that they outgear in order to get the said badge items.
Or, having to do said content for badges or farm arenas in order to get a viable piece of kit that isn't available in 25 man content.
Ideally, if there was, say, an enha shaman/fury warrior weapon drop off Illidan or Archimonde, people who are directly interested in it would welcome the now famous badge fist weapon as an alternative for a low drop rate piece of gear, rather than a band aid to a hole in the current itemisation.

I'd much rather see future 25-mans have badge systems in place so that the rewards are "tiered" and reward players who've gotten unlucky with drops. However, I can't blame the devs for keeping everything inside the current system due to how late in the expansion's lifecycle they're adding this gear. It definitely seems like they're listening to us about loot distribution issues. An alternative to PvP weapons was badly needed, and I was absolutely floored to see that they'd tokenized bracers, boots and belts again. Hopefully that's a change they keep in place moving into the expansion.

Leica · 02/12/08, 5:46 PM

Originally Posted by Argium

It'd seem a bit silly for BoP recipes to be in the stash so I'd assume there'd only be tradable patterns.

I believe the patterns were all BoE. They also seemed to be Hyjal Patterns? At least some of them were. It's also interesting to know that of the 3 Essence I turned in, I recieved 3 Leatherworking patterns. I'm Leatherworking/Engineering so it's possible you can control what type of patterns you recieve.

I'll log in test later and double check the BoE/BoP status of the patterns, just to confirm. I got no dialog boxes so I'm assuming BoE for all of them, but with the new BoP confirmation changes, it's possible some were BoP.

Pyros · 02/12/08, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by Leica

I believe the patterns were all BoE. They also seemed to be Hyjal Patterns? At least some of them were. It's also interesting to know that of the 3 Essence I turned in, I recieved 3 Leatherworking patterns. I'm Leatherworking/Engineering so it's possible you can control what type of patterns you recieve.

I'll log in test later and double check the BoE/BoP status of the patterns, just to confirm. I got no dialog boxes so I'm assuming BoE for all of them, but with the new BoP confirmation changes, it's possible some were BoP.

Well they also made it so you don't get a confirmation box when only you can loot the item in 2.4, which I assume works on containers you open, so yea better double check.

Pamine · 02/12/08, 6:26 PM

I still haven't see any badge item other than the 3 that were posted (2 cloaks, 1 trinket). All that "new badge loot" discussions is based on 1 CM post. I wouldn't be surprised if he made an error and there is nothing new as far as badge items go.

Kasi · 02/12/08, 6:43 PM

The CM posting was Drysc, so I'm pretty sure it is legitimate. I believe what was said earlier in the thread was whats happening, that the latter part of sunwell has to be unlocked by the server before the badge rewards come out.

Copernicus · 02/12/08, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Pamine

I still haven't see any badge item other than the 3 that were posted (2 cloaks, 1 trinket). All that "new badge loot" discussions is based on 1 CM post. I wouldn't be surprised if he made an error and there is nothing new as far as badge items go.

There will be multiple phases to unlocking the Sunwell Plateau's town. The new badge vendor will need to be unlocked at some point.

Wowwiki seems like the best bet for keeping up with the dailies and the stages of progression - Shattered Sun Offensive - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Vihermaali · 02/12/08, 6:46 PM

As the "war effort" progresses, so does the camp/buildings? My guess is, better vendors and stuff will only come after unlocking things further.

Valerian · 02/12/08, 6:49 PM

Hmm if they are all BoE patterns that means the gloves and other recipes that make BoEs would also be able to be sold. Granted I think sunmotes are needed for all the BoE gear but they arnt soulbound from what I heard either are they?

Finnien · 02/12/08, 6:55 PM

Originally Posted by Vihermaali

As the "war effort" progresses, so does the camp/buildings? My guess is, better vendors and stuff will only come after unlocking things further.

Yes, it does. The first step was to capture the Sun's Reach Sanctum, I believe, and that gave you a tradeskill vendor and three new dailies. One of the dailies is out of Shattrath, and involves opening the portal from Shattrath to the Isle of Quel'Danas. The other two involve capturing the Sun's Reach Armory. It is a reasonable guess that by capturing the Armory, you will gain access to the rumored heroic badge vendors.

gia · 02/12/08, 6:56 PM

A lot of BoP patterns have been popping up on the Wowhead latest additions page.

Where are they coming from? The new dailies? Which one?

Villeraz · 02/12/08, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by gia

A lot of BoP patterns have been popping up on the Wowhead latest additions page.

Where are they coming from? The new dailies? Which one?

Is it possible that these are the new recipe rewards from the Cache, but in BoP form? It's possible that they've put a lot of the world drop recipes into BoP form into these caches, which spawn them based on your profession. And there seem to be new versions of many of those recipes on wowhead now.

Zulah · 02/12/08, 7:16 PM

There are actually 3 Gates in the Sunwell Plateau.

Essence of the Immortals - Items - WOWDB lists under "Objective of":

Agamath, the First Gate

Rohendor, the Second Gate

Archonisus, the Final Gate

That will be one loooong grind...

Glynn · 02/12/08, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by gia

A lot of BoP patterns have been popping up on the Wowhead latest additions page.

Where are they coming from? The new dailies? Which one?

I got the Enchant Boots: Cat's Swiftness from Kael'thas, in non-heroic MT last night. Looks like they wanted to make some of the rarer world drop recipes a bit more common.

Rasputin · 02/12/08, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by Zulah

There are actually 3 Gates in the Sunwell Plateau.

Essence of the Immortals - Items - WOWDB lists under "Objective of":

Agamath, the First Gate

Rohendor, the Second Gate

Archonisus, the Final Gate

That will be one loooong grind...

I wonder if each gate is more powerful than the last, requiring more Essences?

cladnin · 02/12/08, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rasputin

I wonder if each gate is more powerful than the last, requiring more Essences?

Another thing to wonder is if they auto complete over time on their own (ie: AQ gates). If not, 80 kills of each boss will take some servers over a year - quite unrealistic.

Machinator · 02/12/08, 7:32 PM

Originally Posted by Zulah

There are actually 3 Gates in the Sunwell Plateau.

Essence of the Immortals - Items - WOWDB lists under "Objective of":
Agamath, the First Gate
Rohendor, the Second Gate
Archonisus, the Final Gate

That will be one loooong grind...

This seems odd, are the essences the only thing so far that help progress the gates? This seems like it could be a block for guilds on smaller servers which I cant see being intended.

Boneitis · 02/12/08, 7:34 PM

Have we confirmed or denied that Essence of the Immortals only drops off of Sunwell bosses? There are rumors circulating that they might drop off Archimonde, Illidan or even Vashj / Kael.

Benegesserit · 02/12/08, 7:37 PM

Originally Posted by Machinator

This seems odd, are the essences the only thing so far that help progress the gates? This seems like it could be a block for guilds on smaller servers which I cant see being intended.

If someone would please go kill Kael/Vashj/Illidan/Archimonde (even possibly Gruul and Mag) and verify if the essences drop that would be REALLY nice because this is going to be brought up an annoying amount of times.

EDIT: What Bone said

Eylirria · 02/12/08, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by Benegesserit

If someone would please go kill Kael/Vashj/Illidan/Archimonde (even possibly Gruul and Mag) and verify if the essences drop that would be REALLY nice because this is going to be brought up an annoying amount of times.

EDIT: What Bone said

Would it be unrealistic to try and set up an EJboard/Friends raid on the PTR to go around killing some of these bosses and confirm/refute possible sources of the Essence? With the changes to SSC/TK at least, it would be very easy to check those instances out.

Benegesserit · 02/12/08, 7:46 PM

Originally Posted by Eylirria

Would it be unrealistic to try and set up an EJboard/Friends raid on the PTR to go around killing some of these bosses and confirm/refute possible sources of the Essence? With the changes to SSC/TK at least, it would be very easy to check those instances out.

I'm also hoping they might try Magtheridon, as he got nerfed again, for whatever reason. That can serve as a two-fold discovery (though I wouldn't put money on essences dropping from him, but it's a very fast check compare to clearing to Vash/Kael).

LiquidHAL · 02/12/08, 7:51 PM

Originally Posted by Benegesserit

I'm also hoping they might try Magtheridon, as he got nerfed again, for whatever reason.

does anyone know how exactly he was nerfed? i heard someone say they just removed the cubes and clicking and he doesn't blastwave. Seems a bit over the top to me.

Dukanull · 02/12/08, 7:52 PM

Kinda superficial, but does anyone have a picture of the new Stormstrike icon?

◊ Bryne · 02/12/08, 7:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dukanull

Kinda superficial, but does anyone have a picture of the new Stormstrike icon?

Stormstrike - Spells - World of Warcraft - Wowhead is generally good about keeping up on PTR updates and changes.

Rokh · 02/12/08, 8:01 PM

Originally Posted by Eylirria

Would it be unrealistic to try and set up an EJboard/Friends raid on the PTR to go around killing some of these bosses and confirm/refute possible sources of the Essence? With the changes to SSC/TK at least, it would be very easy to check those instances out.

I'd be in for this, but it's almost certain they drop from tier 6 level instances. On my server for example, there will be 2 guilds running Sunwell when it's released. If both guilds get all 3 bosses down the first week (doubtful), then it will take 15 weeks to unlock the 4th boss. And who knows how long after that to unlock the 5th boss.

Emeraude · 02/12/08, 8:21 PM

• Shattrath Flasks now work inside the Sunwell Plateau raid instance.
• Reputation requirement for Caverns of Time teleport reduced to Revered.
Upcoming 2.4 change.