2.4 PTR and Patch Notes - Page 54

Arrozay · 02/15/08, 1:47 AM

Latest patch fixed the NE model glitches, no longer a 50% chance for me not being able to fit through a doorway.

Anyone who has done Kalecgos on the latest version notice if the floor is still glitched for pets and such?

Deris · 02/15/08, 1:53 AM

Originally Posted by flyingtoastr

Actually, combined with the new 4-piece arena bonus and the fact that wearing resil is good for paladins now, I can see Holy Shock coming into its own finally in PvP, at least for an emergency heal. In PvE... still less than worthless.

Still going to wear 4pc T6 in 5v5's, and probably same with 2's/3's.. The amount of mp5 lost is huge, considering that mp5 is now our only real form of mana regen with the drinking nerf. The holy shock change just points out the problem that we're going to go oom even faster, and have no organic method of actual mana regen without spending mana.

Illundai · 02/15/08, 1:59 AM

Without going into specifics, can you elaborate a bit on Brutallus? Is the fight significantly redesigned, or? Is it just a tweaking of some of the fights' variables?

Emeraude · 02/15/08, 2:03 AM

Originally Posted by Illundai

Without going into specifics, can you elaborate a bit on Brutallus? Is the fight significantly redesigned, or? Is it just a tweaking of some of the fights' variables?

The Praetorian Ultimatum has stayed my hand.

Delete if necessary.

Diskordia · 02/15/08, 2:05 AM

Don't forget the enrage is still 6 minutes.

Illundai · 02/15/08, 2:09 AM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

HP increased from 7.3mil to 11mil.
Saber Lash Removed, replaced with Meteor Strike.
Meteor Strike, hits for 2000 dmg (1st, debuff is placed after dmg). Increases fire dmg taken by 75%. 3 stacks = 20k dmg instant gibs tank.

Nice, sounds a lot better at least.

Beren · 02/15/08, 2:13 AM

so you will need over 30k raid dps to win. That's 16 dps'ers doing about 2k each.

Sounds hard, but not impossible.

NanoHaxial · 02/15/08, 2:17 AM

Originally Posted by Beren

so you will need over 30k raid dps to win. That's 16 dps'ers doing about 2k each.

Sounds hard, but not impossible.

You aren't going to have 16 people doing 2k DPS, especially with a least 2 tanks, a fair numbers of healers, and hybrid DPS.

Gokey · 02/15/08, 2:18 AM

Does anyone know how much armor he has?

NanoHaxial · 02/15/08, 2:21 AM

Haven't seen a post on it yet, but Commendation of Kael'thas dodge bonus has been nerfed as per MMO Champion, quite heavily. 20% to 8%.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...ionchanges.jpg

Prinsesa · 02/15/08, 2:24 AM

Can I get confirmation that the Crusader's Scaled Battlegear (blue PvP Ret set) also has resilience?

Krazen · 02/15/08, 2:39 AM

Originally Posted by Beren

so you will need over 30k raid dps to win. That's 16 dps'ers doing about 2k each.

Sounds hard, but not impossible.

1 spriest
1 affliction lock
14 destro locks

Either that or obtain 10 sets of warglaives.

Good luck.

Emeraude · 02/15/08, 2:40 AM

30k DPS is ridiculous no matter how you slice it.

They could extend the Enrage timer and turn it into an endurance fight of sorts, though I'm not entirely sure how that would work.

Or they could reduce the HP to make it fit into the 6 minute entimer, much much tighter.

Gokey · 02/15/08, 2:45 AM

I'd rather it be seemingly impossible

soadapop · 02/15/08, 2:53 AM

They are probably still not finished with the second half of the instance, maybe Blizzard is just throwing out the old progression block while they tune the rest.

Axl_Stukov · 02/15/08, 2:57 AM

This could be a possibility, the 1st Gate is almost open on the US PvE server, though I'd rather they come out and say: It's not ready yet instead of plunking down another C'thun 1.0 type deal.

◊ Praetorian · 02/15/08, 2:58 AM

Wouldn't the best way to tune the fight properly be to give it a shitload of extra hp and then carefully monitor how low the very best guilds can actually get him on their very best attempts with full buffs and hours of practice, then peg his health a touch below that level?

Veng · 02/15/08, 3:04 AM

I don't get how people can be annoyed at the fact that they buffed Brutallus pretty significantly. It seems clear that they are trying to find a good balance between extremely hard and impossible. I mean, really, what other way could you balance a gear check like this other than some trial and error regarding his HP?

PsyBomb · 02/15/08, 3:07 AM

Praetoran, I hadn't thought of it like that, but you have a point.

As for the DPS requirements, 30k raid DPS spread among 16 people works out to 1875 apiece, this discounts incidental damage from healers and tanks (minimal, I know, but those groups together almost make another DPSer). I am no expert, but if 2k sustained for 6 minutes is reasonable to ask from each of your best, then the timer is actually quite doable, though very tight.

NanoHaxial · 02/15/08, 3:07 AM

I would have expected them to have some sort of expected/acceptable healing/DPS level for guilds that have been in BT/Hyjal for quite some time, and balance accordingly.

Not to mention there's been quite a few guilds and kills of Brutallus already, which could have been used to determine the kind of DPS output possible by these guilds.

Not that it necessarily matters, considering he's only on the PTR.