Not that it compares directly to the spirit change, but I found the changes to [Libram of Mending] (from 10 to 30 seconds) and [Libram of Absolute Truth] (from 27 to 84) to be pretty significant when raiding on test.

I still want a Bard hero class that you play with the "Rock Band" USB peripherals attached...

I'm not going to say anything sweeping with my limited experience so far, but I will say that Paladins have really lost their luster since the good ol days.

Make it a Portable Alchemy Lab, no need to get back to Shatrah every time someone wants flask made.

A Vashj kill on the EU PTR has produced a Essence of the Immortals.

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...hj-essence.jpg

So that means Kael, Archiminde and Illidan will drop them also I presume. This should make the gates open a bit quicker (as long as your server can kill these bosses).

Paladins are getting weaker by virtue of other classes getting stronger. Right now the main strength of a paladin is tank healing and that's about it. Very little flexibility.

The spirit change is just huge for druids and priests and honestly I can't see it going to live like this. It will get nerfed. I was holy specced for Kalecgos and even with just a humble 525 spirit raid buffed, I found it very hard to go OOM even without a shadowpriest. I used mana pots of course, but it's just amazing what I could do. (PoH my group, CoH other groups, renew tanks, bounce PoM around, still a strong GHeal when needed on tanks) It's a multitude of decisions I get to make every GCD, compared to a Paladin who basically has two options.

The buff to [Libram of Mending] isn't that great. If you were not casting Holy Light once every 10 seconds a FoL libram would have been superior anyway. It is a nice upgrade for pallies using an addon to swap that libram in whenever the buff is off though, but I would be extremely suprise if that was intended by the change.

The change to [Libram of Absolute Truth] is quite nice, especially for fight with a lot raid healing (and not enough paladins for BoL on non-tanks), and FoL isn't enough healing. First doing Najentus in T5 gear comes to mind. Its the libram I use for Kalecgos on test as well.

As long as the libram swapping macros still work in 2.4 there is no reason not to be carrying that libram. Bind it to HL IV or HL V for when you weave in downranks for Light's Grace and bind your other libram to FoL. Continual uptime on the buff won't be a problem anymore.

Could you please explain the maths behind this? If i calculate this by myself it should be like 2000*1,75*1,75*1,75=10718 after 3 debuffs, meaning the fourth meteor strike. This is about the half amount of damage you talked about. Because no one seems to bother, i think my calculation isn´t correct. Please help me get it right.

No it cannot be explained or speculated about , you must find sources outside of the EJ forums or witness the encounter first hand yourself to find the information.

You can answer the question easily without knowing anything about the encounter.
A stacking debuff never works like that in wow, if it adds 75 % extra fire damage per stack, it would add up to 225 % extra taken. So, the conclusion is that at least some part of his statement is incorrect.

I wonder if Gruul drops them as well, or even pre-TBC instances. This would be an interesting way to get people to go back to old-world instances, albeit breifly.

They dont.

and you know this with absolute certainty?

Have the Mad Alch Elixirs stack with flasks.

They don't. Mag has been killed on the PTR and certainly did not drop one. And there's no way Gruul does if Mag doesn't.

Seeing someone killed Vashj on PTR, is there info on how you can skip other bosses?


Oh and first T6 bosses haven't droped Essense.

Walk?

assuming the bridge is up from the start and gates are gone from kael-thas.

Didn't knew that, that’s why i'm asking. Still lots of trash to clear, i was thinking about quest and npc that ports you directly into boss room.

With the lifting of the attunements, there were questions on why they allowed skipping to Vashj/Kael. It seemed a redundant change. Now we know for sure and can safely assume they're the lowest end bosses to drop essence of the immortals.

What bosses are these?
My initial thought would be that bosses that drop T6 items in BT/Hyjal would drop an Essence, but maybe that's a bit farfetched?

One tactic those "one of only 2 guilds on the server that can kill Vashj" guilds could attempt is splitting up into 2-3 teams and taking ~15 of their own and supplementing with ~10 pugs (of classes that stack well for the encounter) who meet some gear requirement achievable via kara/Badges/PvP. Maybe with a pvp rating requirement to weed out those with no twitch skills.

It could potentially be painful and in some ways harder than herding cats, but the effect of seeing deep Sunwell bosses a little less than 3x sooner (no force multiplier on early sunwell bosses) might be worthwhile. If the lucky pugs actually learn something and get interested in PvE raiding (eventually forming more viable PvE raiding guilds), it could be good for the long term health of the server as well.

Organizationally, it would be reminiscent of the "Lottos" some top guilds held during the AQ opening to gather mats faster, rewarding top contributers and one lotto winner with free BWL trips + a Nef head. I'll be surprised if we don't hear about at least a couple servers with Vashj/Kael farming pugs organized by T6 guilds anxious for more content.