Nezralix

Evidently the obvious bears repeating, if you still don't get it.

 

Garanthir

So how would you define when testing is complete? What criteria do you use? What is "fair"? How do you define the "competitor" list? There will always be haves and have-nots.

 

demonen

I did a quick test on lifebloom coefficient changes.

With my regular 8/11/42 build and 1758 healing a full stack was healing for 644, compared to 700 on live servers.
So a bit less then a 10% nerf I guess.

 

Sayessa

That's what bothers me also. If you play in a low-rated team with a high PR, you can effectively play against highrated teams without fear for consequences. You lose, doesn't matter, it's just 5 points. You win, great, you just got 27 points from a high ranked rival.

 

heel

Stamina has been removed from all T6 belt/bracers/boots (except for the tanking sets) and replaced with more of other stuff. Those three pieces are apparently now all ridiculous for damage/healing/whatever. Stats are forthcoming.

 

◊ Kyth

Kalecgos may be down, but as of right now his trash is still up.

Makagish> If the LHC chooses to kill me alongside all of humanity.. who am I to judge its actions?
Makagish> Thats awesome science in action. Sometimes it kills you and everything you know.
Makagish> And sometimes it makes Blizzard open PvE to PvP transfers.

Sunwell strats: http://strats.fusion-guild.org/

 

KrinKer

Just tested what % the coefficient nerf to lifebloom is

before the patch 808 a second

after the patch 736 a second

about 9 % nerf.

To me it seems like a HUGE nerf to trees in pve (i don't really care about pvp to be really honest). I'm wondering what other druids think?
I'm also thinking that druids are going to go back to Ht spamming.

Anyway, I'd like to have some people's opinion on that one.

 

◊ Praetorian

Ha. I'd guess that is specifically to punish people for trying 4pc t6 4pc Gladiator setups in PvP.

 

heel

My thoughts exactly - hats off to the developers. Sidenote: for offensive casters, apparently T6 now has spell hit!

 

◊ Praetorian

In what odd universe is 9% "huge"? Trees are still good, they'll still be fine. Lifebloom is just a part of druid healing, and with the spirit changes in PvE they can use regrowth much more aggressively without running into mana issues. This is a HPS nerf to druids of a few % at most, and when you combine it with buffs like the spirit change, it's a net buff in 2.4. Relax.

 

Caligula

Why would they do that? LB still brings something that no other spell does, a hot that ticks every second. It may be a PvP nerf that affects PvE, however, saying that druids will go back to HT spamming is akin to when people said Shadow priests would all have to go spec holy because of the 5% nerf to Shadow Weaving. That's just silly.

 

• Xaviera

Hm, maybe it's not linked. Reminds me of SSC on release. Hope it's fixed before it goes live, and isn't a "feature"! (Then again, I haven't seen any trash past the 2 pulls before Brutallus, maybe it's just not populated yet, but it would be interesting if that was the only trash in the zone, the stuff before kalecgos)

 

• Whiteknight

Restricting the players who can test the content to just the top 5-6 guilds is precisely counter to what QA is attempting to achieve. You want a broad range of testers. With different styles, gear, class makeup, etc.

Just to give an anecdotal example - I'm willing to bet the top 5-6 guilds don't use a protection paladin as a tank. When they started on Kalec, they'd throw their warriors at it, and maybe a druid or two.
We tried it for about 2 hours using a prot paladin. We filed our feedback that we thought paladin taunt restrictions made it unnecessarily hard. They changed paladin taunt. I'm not conceited enough to believe that they did it in response to our ticket - bliz has known about the issue for a while. It's a real problem in hyjal, among other places. The point is, we went in and did it how we'd likely be doing it on live - which is perhaps a little different from the top 5-6 guilds. And we filed our QA feedback. 'Ping - remember this taunt issue? It's a problem for Sathrovarr too...'

We weren't able to kill him in the short time we had to try him, but we were able to give meaningful feedback. And convince ourselves that, though it's a challenge, it's certainly doable for our raid group. I'm disappointed I won't be able to actually kill him on the PTR, but that's much more about getting a taste of new content after being bored for months.
Disabling Kalecgos on the PTR now means that the non-frontrunners will get to look at Brutallus next. And ensure that he's not overtuned for guilds that don't have 'Nihilum' in their names. It's goodness.

I think folk would be a lot less stressed and frustrated if they just accept that world firsts on most of sunwell - or even server firsts - are simply meaningless this time around. There'll be another day for those. Just step back and look at the content - it's really good. The 5man is awesome, the raid bosses are challenging. The quests are cool, the event is cool. There's new content!

 

◊ Cadfael

I was just on EU PTR PVE.

Combatlog has changed, there are no more red buttons, only text and it fades out.

Kalecgos is still visible and there when I did a quick Mind view voyage. No idea if this is intended or yet to come. So go, get him if you must.

 

heel

Priest sets attached. Yes, that is spell hit on the healing bracers.

For the damage set, it's a loss of 90 stamina for a gain of 24 crit (~5 damage), 20 hit (largely unneeded), and 16 haste (~16 damage).
These are terrible tradeoffs, and all three items (maybe not the bracers) are far worse than before.

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KrinKer

Lifebloom is still a good spell, and i might have come off not the way i wanted it to be. What i meant was if it would not be more interesting to go dreamstate then tree now. Yeah, I realise that my first message was not what it should have been.

 

• Chicken

Base healing of a fully stacked Lifebloom is 128 per second (With Gift of Nature specced). That means 690 of your healing per second came from gear before the change, 608 after the change. Your gear has 2233 +healing. That means before the change the per tick coefficient of a fully stacked Lifebloom was 30.9%, after the change this is 27.2% instead. A 12% relative decrease in the coefficient.

buff /bʌf/ Pronunciation[buhf]
–verb (used with object)
- to reduce or deaden the force of

 

Pasco

Edit: Too late, please delete.

 

KrinKer

Tested it outside of tree of life.

 

• Chicken

Edited my post to take that into account.

buff /bʌf/ Pronunciation[buhf]
–verb (used with object)
- to reduce or deaden the force of

 

• sadris

Strange that they would remove stamina from casters' T6 given that no caster would consider dropping below 400 resilience in arena. Anyone have feral stats?

edit: changed priest -> all casters

edit2:
feral changes---
waist -stam, +23 crit rating
wrist: -stam 26 crit rating
boots: unchanged

Last time I checked Ferals tanked stuff and were terrible at PVP, time to submit petitions

 

Trouble

Yes all I ever wanted was for them to trade all my stamina for SPELL CRIT.

 

Metrosexuelf

Wow those changes are horrible. It's not as if stamina is totally irrelevant for raiding. This is a pretty poor reaction to all the people complaining about the lack of +spell hit and/or the Arena issue Gurgthock suggests. PvE nerfs resulting from PvP issues is really getting old. Couldn't they just simply find a way to 'disasble' PvE set bonuses in Arena? It never ceases to amaze me how horribly tailored and hamfisted their solutions are to specific problems.

 

Pyros

I just posted some numbers with pvp and pve gear on live/PTR in the tree thread on class forums. What's weird tho is that since Empowered Rejuvenation now affect final heal of lifebloom, you end up with a more efficient 1stack lifebloom, which was already extremly powerful in pvp for those situations when you were low on mana, and at the same time, a nerf to continuous lifeblooming, which is mostly a pve nerf. It might not sound like an huge nerf, and it's definitely not the end of druids, but it's still a pretty severe nerf considering rolling lifebloom is around 2/3 of our healing in raids.

4T6 is still 5% to healing touch tho.

 

jeeebus

Here's the new Tempest items: