Rawr (v2.3.23 released on 9/12) - Page 102

Astrylian · 12/14/08, 4:37 PM

There's a 3.0.4 (3.0.8) mode in Bear, but it's not totally accurate. It's a good ballpark value for all slots except back. (It doesn't know the difference between base and bonus armor yet, multiplies it all)

Muatmessmoko · 12/14/08, 7:00 PM

First off i would like to say. Holy crap. This program is amazing. I thank you so much astrylian for spending the amount of time you have on this. It's mindblowing how complete it is. I was referred to it by a friend and i am in love with it now haha. But i have a problem.

Now i know i probably am i complete 100% Idiot for not being able to find this, but how do i switch between the different rawr templates. I.E., Rawr.Bear and Rawr.Tree and Rawr.Moonkin? I Feel ridiculously dumb for not being able to figure this out lol.

Thanks for any help I may get on this.

Farook · 12/14/08, 8:12 PM

I do have two, quick questions:

1.) When updating to a new version, is it safe to extract the new files to the existing Rawr-folder and overwrite the old files, or should one always create a new folder and start all over again? And/Or is is safe to load previously saved files with a new version, or may I run into troubles when doing that?

2.) Sometimes it happens that an item I'm looking for is not in the database. I can easily add the item manually, but for some reason not equip it. It doesn't show up in the list, though I just added it to the DB. What am I doing wrong?

PS: Thanks for all your efforts again!

Astrylian · 12/14/08, 9:58 PM

Originally Posted by Muatmessmoko

Now i know i probably am i complete 100% Idiot for not being able to find this, but how do i switch between the different rawr templates. I.E., Rawr.Bear and Rawr.Tree and Rawr.Moonkin? I Feel ridiculously dumb for not being able to figure this out lol.

Near the top of the Stats tab are dropdown for Race, Class, and Model. Model is what you're looking for.

Originally Posted by Farook

I do have two, quick questions:

1.) When updating to a new version, is it safe to extract the new files to the existing Rawr-folder and overwrite the old files, or should one always create a new folder and start all over again? And/Or is is safe to load previously saved files with a new version, or may I run into troubles when doing that?

2.) Sometimes it happens that an item I'm looking for is not in the database. I can easily add the item manually, but for some reason not equip it. It doesn't show up in the list, though I just added it to the DB. What am I doing wrong?

PS: Thanks for all your efforts again!

1) Yes and no. If you have problems, starting from a new folder is the first thing to try, yes, but *most* of the time, you should be able to use your old data xml files.

2) An item needs to be 'relevant' to the model, and not be filtered out, in order to show up. Relevant means it has any stats that are considered useful by the model. The filtering is more likely your problem. I released 2.1.4 with BC and Classing items turned off by default; in the top right of the charts is a dropdown to turn on or off filters. You can edit those filters in the Tools > Edit Item Filters.. dialog.

dlanod · 12/14/08, 10:57 PM

I'll add a note that I copied over the top of my Rawr directory with a new one and it wiped out the custom filters I added from a few pages ago.

Astrylian · 12/14/08, 11:01 PM

Correct, those are in the ItemFilters.xml file. (However, there are now WotLK filters in the latest default ItemFilters.xml, best to start from there, probably)

• frmorrison · 12/15/08, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Cat: Adjusted base miss rate to 8%

Can you add that to the Ret module?

Astrylian · 12/15/08, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

Can you add that to the Ret module?

*cough* Zurm?

Muck · 12/15/08, 7:23 AM

Don`t forget to update your sig

loos · 12/15/08, 10:32 AM

If you're a druid (and reading these forums) you've heard about the inherent ranking 'problem' with the polar set. It's got tons of stamina and since stamina is very good for druids all three pieces are ranked highly by Rawr -- and other programs.

Since most the posts I've read concerning this discrepancy say 'gear for stamina until you have enough' perhaps Rawr could implement the idea of enough stamina as an option. This could be done by adding another text box to the Options tab that gives a level of HP at which to stop valuing stamina. Or are the formulas for bear not that simple?

From what I've read it would seem that 35k HP (or perhaps 45k HP since Rawr counts all the raid buffs as well) might be a good default setting for such a box.

Thanks again for such a wonderful tool!

Astrylian · 12/15/08, 11:51 AM

Muck: Dang, I forgot again! Thanks.

loos: Way ahead of you. Read back a few pages about soft capping survivability.

Pharmacon · 12/15/08, 2:30 PM

In buffs:

Scrolls of agility and strength are still stacking with totem of strength. Scroll of protection stacks with Mark of the Wild. These don't stack in game. Also you cannot have more than one active. If I use a scroll of strength it will overwrite my scroll of agility for example.

Also missing options for DK (de)buffs (Horn of Winter and others), not a huge deal but would make it more clear.

killets · 12/15/08, 5:47 PM

Astrylian, I know it was mentioned many pages ago, but the bug with Druid.Bear Cloak Armor Calculation is still wrong, as far as I know, esp with the patch live on PTR now.

Example, switching from [Drape of the Deadly Foe] to [Flowing Cloak of Command] results in a +2603 armor bonus (even with the 3.0.4 armor selection checked).

I think this has existed since the 3.0.4 option was put in 1-2 revisions ago, and I think I saw you respond saying that you fix it after PTR goes live. For the time being, it might be more realistic if we simply made the cloak armor calculation additive instead of scaling it with bear. Unless I've read it wrong, I'm under the impression that the back/cloak armor slot will not be multiplied in Bear form, so if there is any scaling to be done on the cloak, it will only be from inspiration, 2% meta gem, and thick hide. So at most, the armor calculation would be off by maybe 50-100, instead of in the thousands. It would paint a more accurate cloak comparison, instead of now, where the cloak comparisons for Bear are pretty much meaningless with the 3.0.4 armor option selected.

Thanks again for the great application btw. It lets me play around with gear at work.

Astrylian · 12/15/08, 5:59 PM

Rawr 2.1.4 was made before the PTR went up. The next version will include accurate 3.0.8 armor calculations.

• Adoriele · 12/15/08, 7:00 PM

Astryl, I'm getting an unhandled exception trying to do an update from Wowhead:

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Wowhead.GetItem(String gemmedId)
at Rawr.ItemContextualMenu._menuItemRefreshWowhead_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEventInteractive(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Character.xml that throws the error is attached, though I'm not sure how that's affecting it.