What is the correct way to use the resistance option? Since it the input values only range between 0 and 1, how much would I enter for a target that has for example 200 fire resistance?
I would guess that it is asking for the percentage resistance that it has, not the actual number. So if it has 25% resistance, for example, you would put .25. However, I'm not entirely sure of this.
What is the correct way to use the resistance option? Since it the input values only range between 0 and 1, how much would I enter for a target that has for example 200 fire resistance?
1 is immune, for others the conversion is 350 resistance = 0.75, so 200 would be ~0.43.
- Rawr now includes a Retribution model, built by Anarkii! Since it's our first Ret release, it may have some bugs, so please report anything you find wrong with it, and welcome to Rawr, Retadins!
- Added an Optimizer feature. The Optimizer works by looking at different combinations of gear that you have available (mark items as available by clicking the diamond next to the item in the charts), and finding the best possible set of gear. There's lots to see in the Optimizer, so give it a try, and let us know how it works. One known issue with the optimizer: Unique gems may be used multiple times; best to just not mark any unique gems as Available for now.
- Added a Status dialog that will show the status of all pending network operations (like loading items from the Armory). Note that there's still no way to cancel these operations while they're in-progress, but we hope to have that in a future update, soon.
- Improved the performance of loading and saving cached items, and performing some common item stat calculations, and fixed several bugs with the item editor.
- Items with class restrictions will not show up for other classes.
- Items will now display a Location, of where to get them. The data for this is still vague or non-existent in some cases, since it's loaded from the Armory, but for the most part it should be useful.
- All DPS models' DPS rating is calculated in terms of plain DPS (as opposed to DPS*100);
- Downloads from the Armory should be more resilient now, retrying whenever random failures occur, and correctly supporting more types of proxy servers where needed.
- The current character name and filename will appear in the title bar.
- Tooltips are now shown for buffs on the buff selection tab.
- Buffs and Enchants will now combine the built-in lists with what's in your itemcache, so that you can preserve customizations between versions.
- Rawr.Bear: Added all missing 2.4 items/enchants to the default ItemCache, resist enchants are now correctly counted, there are now debuffs for Sunwell Radiance and mobs that don't crush.
- Rawr.Mage: Added more AB-AM cycles, now shows a tradeoff coefficient for all spells, improved rotation and trinket optimization, improved performance, now tracks threat, auto selects Mage/Molten armor,
- Rawr.Moonkin: Removed the Mana Efficiency rating, since it was already contained in the total damage rating, improved the accuracy of several calculations, added set bonuses, updated mechanics for 2.4, now shows several different damage-related calculations similar to the spreadsheet.
Glad to have the Retribution module integrated into Rawr formally
Changeset 17413 was the last build I had tested with yesterday, so hopefully the changes after that to optimizer and handling of 2H weapons didn't break anything in Ret!
Just a few coments about Rawr 13 concerning Moonkin :
- some items are missing (or, at least, they didnt show up for me) :
Shattered Sun Pendant of Acumen
Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone
Idol of the Unseen Moon
Ivory Idol of the Moongoddess
- there is no modelization for the balance arena 4-piece set bonus (Your Wrath casts have a 15% chance to reduce the cast time on your next Starfire by 1.5 sec)
Thanks for the good work and i hope you ll manage to fix what i reported
Comments/questions refer to Rawr.Retribution specifically, though many are likely to touch on multiple classes.
Add Elixir of Demonslaying. It gives 265 ap vs demons, Battle Elixir. At 145 more ap than a flask, it is the only real option for the dps benchmark, Brutallus. It also leaves open a Guardian Elixir slot.
How are Drums of Battle modeled in Rawr? I don't see any option to stack them, we have 4 sets in our melee group to provide a 100% uptime.
Does Rawr.Retribution make any attempt to model mana regen/time til OOM?
Is there any way to have the gear list ignore every item gemmed with Agility? Strength is better in every scenario for Paladins, and it just seems to clog the listings with 20 different gem possibilities. Perhaps if only the highest "dps point" gem combination was listed.
I use a Thinkpad T42 with just the usual Thinkpad services running, spybot teatimer, avast, and trillian.
If I run rawr for 30+ minutes, my thinkpad just shuts off. No blue screen, and it's not an overheating issue. It just straight turns off, and only happens with beta 13. Let me know if any additional info would be useful, although I obviously can't get you any runtime info.
Edit: I just patched the .NET framework, maybe this will help.
Comments/questions refer to Rawr.Retribution specifically, though many are likely to touch on multiple classes.
Add Elixir of Demonslaying. It gives 265 ap vs demons, Battle Elixir. At 145 more ap than a flask, it is the only real option for the dps benchmark, Brutallus. It also leaves open a Guardian Elixir slot.
How are Drums of Battle modeled in Rawr? I don't see any option to stack them, we have 4 sets in our melee group to provide a 100% uptime.
Does Rawr.Retribution make any attempt to model mana regen/time til OOM?
Is there any way to have the gear list ignore every item gemmed with Agility? Strength is better in every scenario for Paladins, and it just seems to clog the listings with 20 different gem possibilities. Perhaps if only the highest "dps point" gem combination was listed.
Will add Elixir of Demonslaying. Drums of Battle currently assumes just 1 drum in the group, this can and will be made configurable in the future. I posted about mana regen in the Retribution thread. Since spiritual attunement can't be modeled, and it forms a very significant portion of mana regen, any time to oom modeling without spiritual attunement is very inaccurate. But I'll model mana for the sake of it in the next release.
Regarding agility gems, if you really want that, you can just delete the agi gems for now manually from the itemcache.
Getting an error when trying to run Optimizer in Rawr.mage:
************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Mage.CompiledCalculationOptions..ctor(Character character)
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationsMage.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem, Boolean computeIncrementalSet)
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationsMage.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem)
at Rawr.CalculationsBase.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.Calculations.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.FormOptimize._worker_RunWorkerCompleted(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnRunWorkerCompleted(RunWorkerCompletedEventAr gs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.AsyncOperationCompleted(Object arg)
I pondered that it may have something to do with the known bug on unique gems, so I made sure I had no unique gems and then selected "known gemming only," but got the same error message.
Just a few coments about Rawr 13 concerning Moonkin :
- some items are missing (or, at least, they didnt show up for me) :
Shattered Sun Pendant of Acumen
Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone
Idol of the Unseen Moon
Ivory Idol of the Moongoddess
- there is no modelization for the balance arena 4-piece set bonus (Your Wrath casts have a 15% chance to reduce the cast time on your next Starfire by 1.5 sec)
Thanks for the good work and i hope you ll manage to fix what i reported
SSO pendant is not modeled yet, nor is the Alchemist's Stone. The idols aren't getting pulled in by the "update from armory", but for an unknown reason; if you manually add their item ID's, they work. No, I haven't modeled the 4-piece set bonus on the arena set yet, I realize now that a lot of moonkin use that set so I'll work on that for the next release.
[edit] Also, Timbal's Focusing Crystal is not modeled in Rawr.Moonkin either. I'll have that before beta 14 as well.
Last edited by thedopefishlives : 04/07/08 at 10:28 AM.
Reason: Forgot something
I loaded up 13b for bears and almost fell out of my chair when I saw a "new" chest item that was rated almost twice as high as anything else. The problem is that bears can't wear plate.
Getting an error when trying to run Optimizer in Rawr.mage:
************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Mage.CompiledCalculationOptions..ctor(Character character)
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationsMage.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem, Boolean computeIncrementalSet)
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationsMage.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem)
at Rawr.CalculationsBase.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.Calculations.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.FormOptimize._worker_RunWorkerCompleted(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnRunWorkerCompleted(RunWorkerCompletedEventAr gs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.AsyncOperationCompleted(Object arg)
I pondered that it may have something to do with the known bug on unique gems, so I made sure I had no unique gems and then selected "known gemming only," but got the same error message.
Getting
************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Retribution.CalculationsRetribution.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem)
at Rawr.CalculationsBase.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.Calculations.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.FormOptimize._worker_RunWorkerCompleted(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
I'm getting what looks to be the same error for the bear optimizer option.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.CalculationsBear.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem)
at Rawr.CalculationsBase.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.Calculations.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character)
at Rawr.FormOptimize._worker_RunWorkerCompleted(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnRunWorkerCompleted(RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.AsyncOperationCompleted(Object arg)
I am getting this error whenever I try to either switch to mage from the toolbar or load my mage from the armory, after it crashes out, the program can not be run again till after a restart. version b12.1 has been running without any problems.
************** Exception Text **************
System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Core, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified.
I'm able to reproduce the error reported above with the Optimizer. It's not related to models as far as I can tell, so I'm hoping Astrylian can look into it soon.
I'm able to reproduce the error reported above with the Optimizer. It's not related to models as far as I can tell, so I'm hoping Astrylian can look into it soon.
Got the same error when I switch to mage from the toolbar.
Says:
Rawer (Beta 13.0)
Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately.
Could not load file or assembly 'System.Core, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. This system cannot find the file specified.
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
************** Exception Text **************
System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Core, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified.
File name: 'System.Core, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationsMage.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem, CompiledCalculationOptions calculationOptions, String armor, Boolean computeIncrementalSet)
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationsMage.GetCharacterCalculations(Character character, Item additionalItem, Boolean computeIncrementalSet)
at Rawr.Mage.CalculationOptionsPanelMage.character_ItemsChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.EventHandler.Invoke(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at Rawr.Character.OnItemsChanged()
at Rawr.FormMain.set_Character(Character value)
at Rawr.FormMain.Calculations_ModelChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.EventHandler.Invoke(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at Rawr.Calculations.OnModelChanged()
at Rawr.Calculations.LoadModel(CalculationsBase model)
at Rawr.Calculations.LoadModel(Type type)
at Rawr.FormMain.LoadModel(String displayName)
at Rawr.FormMain.modelToolStripMenuItem_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEventInteractive(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
WRN: Assembly binding logging is turned OFF.
To enable assembly bind failure logging, set the registry value [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Fusion!EnableLog] (DWORD) to 1.
Note: There is some performance penalty associated with assembly bind failure logging.
To turn this feature off, remove the registry value [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Fusion!EnableLog].
************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.
When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.
I think I've got it fixed, but really need some help. Anyone who got the optimizer to crash, please send me an IM on MSN (cnervig@hotmail.com, even if it says I'm offline), AIM (Astro tSD), or come message me on EJ Chat (Astrylian)!
Beta 13.1:
- Fix for several Optimizer crashes. If you can get the Optimizer to crash still, please e-mail me your character file (cnervig@hotmail.com).
- Fix for Rawr.Mage requiring .NET 3.5.
Sorry for the broken b13, guys. This should fix the crashes, PLEASE let me know asap if you can still get it to crash!
Anarkii, can you or some other Rawr developer fix the duplicating of items when updating from armory? Quite annoying to see some items 5 times already.
Are you seeing multiple gemmings of the same item, or actually duplicates with the same gems?
I'm seeing some items as many times as I have updated from armory, some of them have no gem slots, mostly neck pieces.
Btw, can't you import talents from armory aswell?
Looks like we're posting tracebacks here. I have one more crasher:
1. Start Rawr
2. Tools > Edit Items...
3. Fill Sockets...
4. Click on the gem slot in the popup
5. Traceback
Traceback:
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.ItemButton.ItemButton_MouseClick(Object sender, MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
Also a minor issue, the chart for Ret Main Hand weapons isn't scaling beyond 10 for me, so all the weapons are off the chart. Everything still seems to be calculating correctly.
04/05/08, 11:10 AM
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