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Old 06/27/09, 3:51 AM   #2251
Astrylian
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Lormalcar: 99% of the time, when someone asks why the Optimizer returns a result that's lower than their current score, it's because they didn't mark something they're wearing as available.

That's the case here, but it's an interesting twist on it. You have all your equipped items marked as only that specific gemming and enchanting of it available... except for your boots, which you have fully available, and another pair of boots available with a specific gemming/enchanting. However, you have no enchants marked available. When using specific gemming/enchanting available items, that's fine, though.

The boots creates an interesting problem for the Optimizer though; that one specific gemming/enchanting, or the fully available pair of boots, with whatever enchants are available... which happen to be nothing. So the only 2 choices for boots is has are the new boots, but unenchanted, or the old boots, enchanted. The enchant happens to be worth enough that it's better to keep the old ones in that case. So it switches you back to the old boots, which is a 16dps loss from what you currently have.

You'll probably want to mark all the enchants you could get as available, so that the Optimizer has a chance of using any of the fully available items you have.

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Old 06/27/09, 11:21 AM   #2252
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Thank you, thank you. I'd wondered about the enchant side of things but just sort of assumed that it was just keeping the same enchant for all items and not looking in to it further. Now off to fix that.

I really appreciate you looking into this for me, I really love using rawr, it's a great tool.

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Old 06/30/09, 12:35 PM   #2253
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Rawr v2.2.8 Released!

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.2.8

Tour of Rawr Movie! - YouTube - Tour of Rawr

Recent Changes:
v2.2.8.0
- Improvements for handling locale-specific item names
- Reenabled loading possible upgrades from Wowhead PTR
- Fixed some bugs with loading items from Wowhead/Armory. NOTE: Armory *still* isn't returning socket bonus data, however if an item already has a socket bonus (ie, from Wowhead), reloading it from Armory will preserve the existing socket bonus
- Rawr.Cat: Improved the calculation of Idol of the Corruptor
- Rawr.Moonkin: Added a 3.2 mode, improved performance
- Rawr.Retribution: Added a 3.2 mode
- Rawr.RestoSham: Implemented all resto relics with special effects
- Rawr.TankDK: Many calculation fixes and improvements
- Rawr.DPSWarr: Fix for a wide variety of calculation issues
- Rawr.Enhance: Improved GCD conflict calculations
- Rawr.DPSDK: Added a 3.2 mode
- Rawr.Mage: Added 3.2 mode
- Rawr.Tree: Added 3.2 mode
- Rawr.Healadin: Fix for minor rating calculation bug

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Old 07/01/09, 6:07 AM   #2254
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BonusArmor procs don't appear to be working, at least in Rawr.Bear 2.2.8. [Furnace Stone] has the same value with and without the use effect. Editing it to be an Armor proc rather than a BonusArmor proc or giving it a passive 859 BonusArmor both cause it to work as expected.

On a related note, it'd be nice if the default item cache included either all or none of the procs/use effects for the tanking trinkets. I understand that it would be difficult or impossible for it to remove them all given that Greatness is also a DPS trinket, but Greatness is displayed as being incredibly OP by default right now. If they're currently missing because you don't want procs modeled for tanks, an option for trinket handling like Rawr.ProtPaladin has would solve that.

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Old 07/01/09, 6:46 AM   #2255
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The Furnace Stone, I'll take a look at; it's probably just not adding in BonusArmor after the procs are calculated. As far as procs for tanking, I do want random procs included, and optionally Use procs, but only for mitigation, not survival, since Survival means only reliable sources of damage reduction. I probably won't worry about the meager survival gain from agility procs, but I'll try to split out the survival from Armor or something.

P.S. Darkmoon Card: Greatness really is that good. You almost assuredly *should* be using it for tanking.

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Old 07/01/09, 10:17 AM   #2256
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I definitely understand that Greatness is extremely good, it's just that Rawr's default display has it almost twice as good as the second trinket on the list because it's one of the only trinkets with a proc listed. The strength card is listed as #3 for me just because of the proc. Once you factor in the procs from the other trinkets, Greatness is still BiS, but only just.

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Old 07/02/09, 4:22 AM   #2257
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Rawr v2.2.9 Released!

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.2.9

Tour of Rawr Movie! - YouTube - Tour of Rawr

Recent Changes:
v2.2.9.0
- Now supports the new armory data format Blizz just posted. Also fixed several Armory parsing errors
- Rawr.Mage: Fix for procs affecting per-spell damage. Split ignite damage into its own line in the spell damage breakdown.
- Rawr.DPSWarr: Fixed bug in Maintaining Debuffs and added Furry support. Many improvements to Arms calculations
- Rawr.Healadin: Fix for Judgement GCD time.

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Old 07/02/09, 12:24 PM   #2258
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IMPORTANT: Blizz updated wowarmory.com yesterday, which changed the talent format, which is why I released 2.2.9 to fix it.
However, eu.wowarmory.com hasn't been updated yet. I expect it'll get updated today, instead. Until it does, use 2.2.8 for loading EU characters.

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Old 07/05/09, 11:43 AM   #2259
Omidin
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I have somewhat of an issue with Rawr. I'm a feral cat, and ArPen was mathematically proven to be the best stat to stack up to a certain point. However, Rawr keeps suggesting I gem +16 agility in every slot. I took it up with the Feral guys in the Druid forum and they suggested it might be an issue with my Gemming Template. After being told about said feature I went ahead and added a template and filled every color except meta with Fractured Scarlet Ruby (+16 ArPen). For some reason, I still cant get Rawr to suggest ArPen gemming. What am I doing wrong?

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Old 07/05/09, 3:31 PM   #2260
Latas
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Originally Posted by Omidin View Post
I have somewhat of an issue with Rawr. I'm a feral cat, and ArPen was mathematically proven to be the best stat to stack up to a certain point. However, Rawr keeps suggesting I gem +16 agility in every slot. I took it up with the Feral guys in the Druid forum and they suggested it might be an issue with my Gemming Template. After being told about said feature I went ahead and added a template and filled every color except meta with Fractured Scarlet Ruby (+16 ArPen). For some reason, I still cant get Rawr to suggest ArPen gemming. What am I doing wrong?
It probably has to do with how much ArPen you are starting with and if you are at or below the crit breakpoint.

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Old 07/05/09, 3:46 PM   #2261
Omidin
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Originally Posted by Latas View Post
It probably has to do with how much ArPen you are starting with and if you are at or below the crit breakpoint.
I am actually near the ArPen cap. I'm also very close to the break point. Rawr *should* gem everything with ArPen. Questiion is why doesnt it?

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Old 07/05/09, 5:05 PM   #2262
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Ormidin, if it's not showing 16ArPen gems as higher dps than 16Agi gems, then 16ArPen gems are not higher dps than 16Agi gems. You mentioned you were near the ArPen cap; most likely you're actually above the cap, or you're above the cap with a proc. If you post your character, I can tell you which it is.

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Old 07/05/09, 5:13 PM   #2263
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I'm pretty sure thats not the case, have a look:

The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 07/05/09, 9:36 PM   #2264
Latas
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Originally Posted by Omidin View Post
I'm pretty sure thats not the case, have a look:

The World of Warcraft Armory
The Grim Toll you have equipped would generate the trinket proc he was talking about.

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Old 07/05/09, 9:51 PM   #2265
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Originally Posted by Latas View Post
The Grim Toll you have equipped would generate the trinket proc he was talking about.
Correct. Additionally, I'm wondering why with all that nice gear, you're using +85ap to weapon? Seems rather out-of-place.

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