Rawr (v2.3.23 released on 9/12) - Page 153

Mijae · 07/08/09, 8:15 PM

There have been plenty of times where I save the raid from a wipe and come out with a kill. I remember specifically my previous guild's first successful Auraiaya kill. The MT died on the pull from all the pounces and I picked up the boss. The GM wanted to call a wipe but I got them to stop. The tank got a battle res and we finished her off.

For Thorim I tank adds in the arena using full dps spec/gear. I help tank adds on Yogg P1 if we get an extra one. In 10 man IC I actually tank the second boss in full dps gear. It gives us enough dps that we only need one tank for Steelbreaker. Not all bosses will clobber you with 1 hit. There are plenty of cases where it is still useful.

However, there is a limit to what we can bring for the really hard hitting stuff like Algalon. In those cases we can't come near the usefulness of a rogue popping evasion with just a few gems different. So, I still gem ArP mostly.

Astrylian · 07/08/09, 10:49 PM

Kalk, I think you may have misunderstood; my point was only that it had SOME value. (And an extra 150-200agi is definitely a very very significant chunk of avoidance). That's not a value that Rawr can calculate. In my case, it's a mere 4dps more to gem ArPen instead of Agi. For that minuscule amount of DPS, the extra dodge is worth it to me. Not strawmanning at all here. I'd never suggest staying with Agi if ArPen is a significant DPS boost.

Rawr's job is to tell me that I'd gain 4dps by switching to ArPen gems. It's up to me to determine if that's worth it to me.

Boevis · 07/09/09, 9:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mijae

There have been plenty of times where I save the raid from a wipe and come out with a kill. I remember specifically my previous guild's first successful Kologarn kill. The MT died on the pull from all the pounces and I picked up the boss. The GM wanted to call a wipe but I got them to stop. The tank got a battle res and we finished her off.

For Thorim I tank adds in the arena using full dps spec/gear. I help tank adds on Yogg P1 if we get an extra one. In 10 man I actually tank the second boss in full dps gear. It gives us enough dps that we only need one tank for Steelbreaker. Not all bosses will clobber you with 1 hit. There are plenty of cases where it is still useful.

However, there is a limit to what we can bring for the really hard hitting stuff like Algalon. In those cases we can't come near the usefulness of a rogue popping evasion with just a few gems different. So, I still gem ArP mostly.

I think you mean Auraiaya in the first case.

Like you, I have saved a wipe by tanking in DPS gear. This can only really be done on a few bosses though (Not Decon Hard, Hodir, Thorim, Steelbreaker, Mimiron, Vezax, Algalon), and considering how few items end up being BiS (or even close really) for both Cat and Bear especially after Enchant/Meta Difference, I see very little reason to gem Agi in anything but neck, cloak, belt, bracers, and rings, the later 3 being dependent on your professions not being LW or Enchanting. As a LW/Enchanter, I can't really pull double duty with my bracers or rings, having access to the multitude of gems out there really gives BS/JC a major advantage, I'd gain 53 DPS as well as the option to pull double duty with all those items.

dedmonwakeen · 07/17/09, 12:41 PM

I saw mention of Rawr moving to a "web-app" format. Is this true? If so, will you still be maintaining the ability to export character config files?

I am looking into importing the Rawr character xml and wanted to make sure the format was not in imminent danger of extinction.

EDIT: I'm working on just a few example files. I don't see a Glyph specification. Is the format documented anywhere?

Astrylian · 07/17/09, 3:00 PM

Rawr3 will have a web-based version, yes. It will still save and open character files, just like the desktop version.

The character file format doesn't really have documentation, however it is a direct xml serialization of the Character object in Rawr, so if you can read the C#, you can find where stuff is stored. To answer your particular question, glyphs are stored as part of the talent strings. You'll have to look at \Rawr\Rawr.Base\ClassTalents.cs for the order that glyphs are stored in, for each class (it's arbitrary, custom to Rawr).

dedmonwakeen · 07/17/09, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Rawr3 will have a web-based version, yes. It will still save and open character files, just like the desktop version.

The character file format doesn't really have documentation, however it is a direct xml serialization of the Character object in Rawr, so if you can read the C#, you can find where stuff is stored. To answer your particular question, glyphs are stored as part of the talent strings. You'll have to look at \Rawr\Rawr.Base\ClassTalents.cs for the order that glyphs are stored in, for each class (it's arbitrary, custom to Rawr).

I found it in ClassGlyphs.cs. Very straight-forward. Thanks!

While digging through the source code I noticed ItemCache.xml. Did you guys build this by hand or through data mining?

I just rely upon one of Armory/Wowhead/MMO-Champion being up, but then I don't try to solve the Gear Optimization problem. (An impressive feat! You have my professional admiration there.)

Astrylian · 07/17/09, 9:00 PM

Err, yeah, ClassGlyphs, not ClassTalents, sorry.

ItemCache.xml is just a serialized version of all the item data in Rawr. You can load whatever items you want, from Wowhead and/or Armory (see Wowhead.cs and Armory.cs for the parsing). I include a default version of it with each release, which contains the items that typical users would want to see (currently, that means pretty much everything equippable over ilvl 185).

Astrylian · 07/17/09, 11:21 PM

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.2.10

Recent Changes:
v2.2.10.0
- Rawr.Tree: Added Survival as a 3rd rating
- Rawr.Retribution: Slight fix to partial resist calculations
- Rawr.Elemental: Fixed haste, damage, and talent calculations, implemented glyphs
- Rawr.DPSWarr: Fixed broken Arms, Overpower, Deep Wounds, and Latency calculations, and fixed a crash. Now uses a Priority Queue for all specs. Improved stat display.
- Rawr.RestoSham: Improvements to calculations
- Rawr.Healadin: Minor fix for crit rate calculations
- Rawr.Rogue: Fixed several talent calculations
- Rawr.DPSDK: Fixed crash, and minor calculation improvements
- Rawr.Mage: Fixed special effect bonus haste/crit multipliers, and for Innervate

Astrylian · 07/19/09, 10:18 PM

Hey all,

With the next major version of Rawr, I'd like to have a new icon and logo. However, I'm not much of a graphic designer (or at least, don't have enough time to put into it), so I'm calling to the community for help! Any good with making this sort of thing? Help out! I'll pick the best from all the submissions to be used as the logo and icon for Rawr v3. Details as follows:

Icon must come in sizes 16x16, 32x32, 48x48, and 128x128.
Logo must look good on a light colored background.
Deadline is August 7th. (Updated: Moved to Aug7, so as not to coincide with Blizz's Fan Art Contest)
You don't have to submit both an icon and a logo, just one of them is fine too.
Icon can be of anything WoW related that you think would represent Rawr.
Logo should contain the Rawr name, and may or may not include the icon.
To submit an icon/logo, e-mail it to cnervig@hotmail.com. I will be posting them in a thread on our CodePlex site, as they're sent to me.

I look forward to seeing what you all can come up with! Let me know if there are any questions.

• Wizeowel · 07/21/09, 11:26 AM

I suggest you put that request on the main page of the codeplex/rawr site. Surely more people see that page than this thread.

Astrylian · 07/21/09, 12:28 PM

Ah, I posted it on the discussions tab, but the front page is a good idea too. Done.

Astrylian · 07/23/09, 3:26 AM

New deadline: August 7th. (Updated: Moved to Aug7, so as not to coincide with Blizz's Fan Art Contest)

googol · 08/04/09, 7:43 AM

3.2 is going live today, tried to adjust the prismatic JC gems to be blue/red sockets etc, but now they just work as unique. Rest seems to be working decently with the epic gems since that support was put in a while back.

Can't wait for an updated version for 3.2

Thanks for all your support, I appreciate it and I'm sure this goes for tons of other people.

Astrylian · 08/04/09, 1:09 PM

Aye, we're trying to release a new version of Rawr tonight.

Astrylian · 08/05/09, 6:35 AM

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.2.11

Tour of Rawr Movie! - YouTube - Tour of Rawr

Recent Changes:
v2.2.11.0
- NOTE! Everyone, please do NOT reuse your GemmingTemplates.xml file from a previous version of Rawr, due to all the changes in gems in 3.2.
- Updated base stats, stat conversions, and gemming rules for 3.2
- Fixed a potential crash in Batch Tools
- Rawr.Cat: Updated for 3.2.
- Rawr.Mage: Updated for 3.2. Fix for FFB threat multiplier. Improved Hot Streak modeling.
- Rawr.Retribution: Updated for 3.2.
- Rawr.Enhance: Added support for Orc axe racial. Fix for weapon speed charts.
- Rawr.DPSWarr: Rearranged the options panel. Fixed several calculation bugs/improvements.
- Rawr.Warlock: Fixed several calculation bugs/improvements.
- Rawr.RestoSham: Fixed several calculation bugs/improvements.
- Rawr.Hunter: Fixed many calculation bugs/improvements.
- Rawr.Moonkin: Now properly counts lost GCDs due to FF/Starfall/Treants.
- Rawr.Elemental: Improved handling of special effects. Fixed several calculation bugs/improvements.
- Rawr.Healadin: Updated for 3.2.
- Rawr.RestoSham: Updated for 3.2.
- Rawr.Tree: Updated for 3.2.