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Old 04/07/08, 3:27 PM   #331
Astrylian
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Originally Posted by Baruk View Post
rawr.mage optimizer seems buggy..After optimization it gives 40(!) more dps for leggings of the channeled elements if gemmed
with 2*6dmg/5crit + 6dmg/7sta than gemmed with 3*12dmg...
If I don't use the optimizer and just klick on the leg slot to select a configuration it apparently works fine...
Sounds like you're running into a situation where using the orange/purple gems helps satisfy a metagem requirement. If that's not the case, Kavan, can you take a look?

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Old 04/07/08, 3:38 PM   #332
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I had the same problem as Delrain, using the all gemming option, I got filled squares, editing those items show no gems inserted. I didn't add any new loot/gem combinations before running the optimizer, just using the ones already given.

It should be easily reproducable, but I uploaded my character .xml file for you just to be sure.

I really appreciate the work that you and Kavan have done on this by the way, I was rooting for the b13 version to come out this week, having both Rawr b13 and Vontre's v3 spreadsheet released on the same day really made my day.

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Old 04/07/08, 3:50 PM   #333
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Originally Posted by f1reburn View Post
I had the same problem as Delrain, using the all gemming option, I got filled squares, editing those items show no gems inserted. I didn't add any new loot/gem combinations before running the optimizer, just using the ones already given.

It should be easily reproducable, but I uploaded my character .xml file for you just to be sure.

I really appreciate the work that you and Kavan have done on this by the way, I was rooting for the b13 version to come out this week, having both Rawr b13 and Vontre's v3 spreadsheet released on the same day really made my day.
You have no gems marked as available (nor any enchants). Fill those out, and you should get more desirable results.


It's not really clear that you need to fill out items, gems, and enchants, not just items, so I'll be adding something for the next version, when you open the Optimizer, that says something like "Warning, you have no choices marked available for these slots: Head Enchant, Gems, Metagems, etc. To get accurate results, please fill those out before using the Optimizer." or something similar.

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Old 04/07/08, 4:02 PM   #334
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Originally Posted by Astrylian View Post
Sounds like you're running into a situation where using the orange/purple gems helps satisfy a metagem requirement. If that's not the case, Kavan, can you take a look?
No, metagem requirements are met by gems in belt/shoulder slots.. anyway installed a fresh version and it works
now. Maybe some conflict with the b13.0 version? I just overwrote that with the 13.1...

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Old 04/07/08, 4:40 PM   #335
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Astrylian I sent you and email regarding a problem I had in the cat model optimizer. Just posting here in case you are like me and rarely check certain email address

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Old 04/07/08, 4:56 PM   #336
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Responded... And for everyone else reading, the notes above about Rawr's Optimizer producing good results when using a complete set of available items/enchants/gems goes both ways. If you just select *everything*, it's going to be very slow. You try sorting through 158 thousand possible chest pieces.

So be kind to Rawr, just select what's realistically available, that you want to compare between. Gems especially make the total complexity skyrocket. No need to select both [Delicate Crimson Spinel] and [Delicate Living Ruby] for example, it just makes Rawr's job harder.

EDIT: I'll be filtering the available gems to weed out those cases where one gem is entirely better than another, for the next release.

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Old 04/07/08, 5:44 PM   #337
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first off, been waiting for this release for a while now^_^ im VERY happy it came out before the anvil was finished on our server, so thanks:-). i just have small question about the new shattered sun exaulted neck piece and how you ended up modeling it in rawr. more specifically i noticed that there was only 1 version yet there are 2 different procs available for the different factions, aldor/scyrer. And anecdotally i would be inclined to say that the scyrer proc would be more valuable to cats than the aldor one due to our insane crit rates and AP inflation, as well as us having fast attack speeds which would lead to proc times as close to the 45 sec cd as possible.

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Old 04/07/08, 5:48 PM   #338
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Originally Posted by Tinweasele View Post
first off, been waiting for this release for a while now^_^ im VERY happy it came out before the anvil was finished on our server, so thanks:-). i just have small question about the new shattered sun exaulted neck piece and how you ended up modeling it in rawr. more specifically i noticed that there was only 1 version yet there are 2 different procs available for the different factions, aldor/scyrer. And anecdotally i would be inclined to say that the scyrer proc would be more valuable to cats than the aldor one due to our insane crit rates and AP inflation, as well as us having fast attack speeds which would lead to proc times as close to the 45 sec cd as possible.
There are radio buttons on the options tab to choose whether you're Aldor or Scryer. As for how they're calculated...

For Aldor, it's 200ap for 10sec, 15% proc, 45sec cooldown. This is averaged out for Rawr. I don't recall the exact # offhand for sure, but it's counted as proccing every (I think) 51.1 sec, which is about 39ap (I think).

For Scryer, it's a ~350 arcane damage proc, same proc chance/cooldown, using melee crit chance/multipliers, and is affected by Misery/CoS. To be perfectly honest, the way Rawr calculates this is a hack, at the moment. It's converted to an equivalent amount of weapon damage, that produces close to the right amount of dps. It's not totally accurate, but it's close. (And yes, Scryer's proc is more dps than Aldor's)

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Old 04/07/08, 7:10 PM   #339
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There's 2 things I'd like to request for Rawr.Retribution, no idea whether it should be posted here or PM-ed to a developer.
1. Cursed Vision of Sargeras is missing a combo with relentless earthstorm diamond + inscribed pyrestone. I'd like to keep the socket bonus and get the 6 sta at the expense of 0.5 dps loss.
2. Give some way to enforce specific gems into slots or a way to tell the optimiser to always put matching gems in sockets. I like getting all my socket bonuses regardless of whether simply sticking +10 str gems everywhere is better.

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Old 04/07/08, 7:17 PM   #340
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Originally Posted by Kris View Post
There's 2 things I'd like to request for Rawr.Retribution, no idea whether it should be posted here or PM-ed to a developer.
1. Cursed Vision of Sargeras is missing a combo with relentless earthstorm diamond + inscribed pyrestone. I'd like to keep the socket bonus and get the 6 sta at the expense of 0.5 dps loss.
2. Give some way to enforce specific gems into slots or a way to tell the optimiser to always put matching gems in sockets. I like getting all my socket bonuses regardless of whether simply sticking +10 str gems everywhere is better.
1. You're always free to add your own gemmings. Right-click, Edit.
2. Create gemmings that you want for each item (ie, using gems that match the socket colors), then choose "Known Gemmings Only" in the optimizer.

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Old 04/07/08, 9:10 PM   #341
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Is it just me or are Leggings of Devastation off Mother Sharaz missing from this build?

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Old 04/07/08, 10:12 PM   #342
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Originally Posted by Phantomrage View Post
Is it just me or are Leggings of Devastation off Mother Sharaz missing from this build?
You can still add any items you want to Rawr. See the readme.

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Old 04/07/08, 10:53 PM   #343
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Is there an update on:

* Warlock talent changes/modifications to spec
* Emberstorm deep-fire builds for Warlocks?

It reports very wrong values for Incinerate, for example.

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Old 04/07/08, 10:58 PM   #344
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Originally Posted by Emolate View Post
Is there an update on:

* Warlock talent changes/modifications to spec
* Emberstorm deep-fire builds for Warlocks?

It reports very wrong values for Incinerate, for example.
I wish I had an update on this, but haven't heard/seen Cbennight in a while. You still around?

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Old 04/08/08, 12:43 AM   #345
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Looking at the Ret Model of the SSO necklace (aldor vs scyrer), and the Aldor one seemed to be missing the average ~40 attack power added (from the 200 ap proc), and the Scryrer neck seemed a little high.

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