Rawr (v2.3.23 released on 9/12) - Page 33

seminarca · 04/16/08, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Optimizer being dumb... Yeah, we're working on improving it, just takes time.

For the record, part of optimizer's dumbness is on the other end of the screen. It actually worked quite well for me after I marked gems/enchants available (and ran b13.1 instead of b13 >.>). It discovered a higher dps set than my current one (not feasible for me though, since it assumed I could put DPS enchants on my tanking T6 .. which goes back to the issue Athinira brought up about whether enchants should be "part" of the item or not).

But anyway, make sure you're using it correctly before you knock it.

Ivorthemage · 04/17/08, 11:03 AM

"Well you won't get an accurate picture unless you select the buffs available. In the setting I usually have (CoS, JoW, shadow priest, el. shaman, no CoE) the spec I'm using comes on top, the difference between it and 40/0/21 almost non-existent. If I change to 40/0/21 I still have int gems over dmg. Main influencing factor I think is whether you have CoE and/or CoS. The main point is that both dmg and int gems are very close in value in arcane and as a result matching socket colors makes a lot more sense than just stacking one everywhere."

OK, I replicated your results, and did get lionseye>spinels for your gear with a 40/21 spec with no COE up.

But I think that's important to note - dps differentials between lionseyes and spinels are highly contingent on assumptions used and gear levels. Tweak them slightly, and you get a different result.

I do agree that lionseyes (or potent pyrestons for some of the assumption tweaks I have tried) are close enough to spinels that yellow socket bonuses can be more readily obtained than they can be for fire specs.

And the general conclusion about intellect being roughly as important a dps stat as spell damage is an important one for arcane mages to be aware of.

CHaoTiCTeX · 04/20/08, 8:51 PM

So, this has got to be a problem.....

I was using the warlock model in 13.1 and for a dps comparison, I switched all the buffs from + shadow damage ones to +fire damage ones (being imp scorch and CoE) noticed a slight expected dps drop, then I switched my main spell cast to incinerate from shadowbolt, and my total dps dropped from 2300 to 200. I didnt change anything but the buffs, all gear remained the same.

kalbear · 04/21/08, 1:07 PM

Hey all.

I'm a bit confused with how Rawr is figuring out a specific piece that is better or worse than another for cat form. I'm comparing the Handwraps of the Aggressor (gemmed with stam/def) to Gauntlets of Malorne. I already have 3 other pieces of the Malorne set on (helm, shoulders, chest) so the Malorne bonus shouldn't apply here. Yet the handwraps are actually still lower than the Malorne. Is 13 agility and a haste bonus really worth less than 2 str? Because that's the only difference I can see.

Astrylian · 04/21/08, 1:12 PM

You said it yourself: "I already have 3 other pieces of the Malorne set on". Gloves gives you 4T4.

kalbear · 04/21/08, 1:19 PM

Guh. That's right, there is a bonus when in cat. I always forget about that +30 str. Sorry about that.

I'm still a bit surprised that +30 str is so comparable to +13agi/+haste, but it makes a lot more sense.

dakalro · 04/23/08, 6:40 AM

~62 AP with kings vs ~0.6%crit and a bit of haste that applies to only white attacks ... I'd say it's very comparable.

Noctambul · 04/24/08, 4:52 AM

Another case for somehow excluding regemming items in the optimizer:

I wanted to find my best gear for when a Balance druid comes with us (about 50% of the time). The impact is improved faerie fire, with a reduced +hit cap.

The main change is that +hit gems loose a lot of value and for exemple the best yellow gem becomes Inscribed Ornate Topaz (10 AP, 5 crit).

Therefore the optimizer suggests regemming my current gear, which is not really an option when optimizing for raid composition.

I understand that this is a tough issue to solve. The workaround (to artificially create gear pieces with the same stats as gemmed/enchanted ones you don't want to modify) works but is really cumbersome. As a temporary fix, could Rawr help with a "freeze item" command ? This command would duplicate a gemmed/enchanted item, to make an equivalent new piece without socket (nor "enchantability"), equip it, and automatically mark it as available, while marking its source as unavailable. Optionally, Rawr could also display a frozen item slightly differently, ideally with the source item's gems.

kalbear · 04/24/08, 7:16 PM

You could always just take that slot out of the optimizer's hands completely, but that might be problematic depending on what slot it is and what set bonus it is doing.

inphared · 04/25/08, 11:13 PM

I see to be having a problem loading my character from the armory. I downloaded the newest version and ran the program but when I go to load my character from the armory I get the error:

No character returned from the armory.

Any idea why it cant find my char? Ive quadruple checked my name/realm to make sure that wasnt the problem.

Astrylian · 04/25/08, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by inphared

I see to be having a problem loading my character from the armory. I downloaded the newest version and ran the program but when I go to load my character from the armory I get the error:

No character returned from the armory.

Any idea why it cant find my char? Ive quadruple checked my name/realm to make sure that wasnt the problem.

That indicates a network issue; Rawr can't contact the armory. Are you behind a firewall, or have a proxy server or something? There's proxy settings in the Options menu.

inphared · 04/26/08, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

That indicates a network issue; Rawr can't contact the armory. Are you behind a firewall, or have a proxy server or something? There's proxy settings in the Options menu.

Yeah Im at work and Im on a proxy server I think.

EDIT: Woot fixed it

Midnight · 04/26/08, 4:27 AM

What I´d like to see for the optimizer was diffrent methods of (de)selecting items/enchants/gems for it´s use.
First of all a basic a "Select All" and "Deselect All" method would be nice.
In addition getting a selection for a certain progress state like BT clear, MH clear or BT/MH clear etc would be great. So someone who´s at that stage just needs select that setting and everything dropping in (or up to?) said instance will be added automatically.
I guess this could be done in two ways. Either you offer a way to save diffrent optimizer templates independant of the actual items used and maybe even include some custom made templates for the various progress states already. Or you let us simply select diffrent sources like raid instances, single bosses, professions etc and the optimizer selects the corrosponding items on it´s own. This would require the optimizer to associate every item with at least one source though, which might be more of an effort than you´re willing to put into it.

Wickedgirl · 04/26/08, 12:23 PM

First of all, great work on Rawr Astrylian, didn't have the chance to comment before

I have been having an issue recently, when I run it, the starting window is there and it's blacked out, but also popping up are 2 smaller ones - included is the screenshot of what it looks like.

By panicstrike

Also, since this started happening, I have been getting a lot of sudden "error, this program will shut down" messages, when I click on items list or try to edit.

Did I break it somehow? and do you maybe have any suggestions on how to rectify this? Thanks a lot

[e] spelling

Astrylian · 04/26/08, 1:11 PM

What I´d like to see for the optimizer was diffrent methods of (de)selecting items/enchants/gems for it´s use.
First of all a basic a "Select All" and "Deselect All" method would be nice.
In addition getting a selection for a certain progress state like BT clear, MH clear or BT/MH clear etc would be great. So someone who´s at that stage just needs select that setting and everything dropping in (or up to?) said instance will be added automatically.
I guess this could be done in two ways. Either you offer a way to save diffrent optimizer templates independant of the actual items used and maybe even include some custom made templates for the various progress states already. Or you let us simply select diffrent sources like raid instances, single bosses, professions etc and the optimizer selects the corrosponding items on it´s own. This would require the optimizer to associate every item with at least one source though, which might be more of an effort than you´re willing to put into it.

I won't be adding a Select All / Deselect All, because you really shouldn't do that. It makes the optimizer take a *really* (I mean really) long time, way more than is reasonable or necessary. Additionally, having preset selections by tier isn't feasible or valuable, because the different tiers vary greatly, and overlap quite alot. Just select what are actually decent available items for each slot, it takes like 2 min.

Originally Posted by Wickedgirl

First of all, great work on Rawr Astrylian, didn't have the chance to comment before

I have been having an issue recently, when I run it, the starting window is there and it's blacked out, but also popping up are 2 smaller ones, included is the screenshot of what it looks like.

Also, since this started happening, I have been getting a lot of sudden "error, this program will shut down" messages, when i click on items list or try to edit.

Did I break it somehow? and do you maybe have any suggestions on how to rectify this? Thanks a lot

That's extremely odd. So odd that it's got to be a system problem. I'd try uninstalling and reinstalling .NET Framework 2.0.