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Old 07/29/08, 10:12 AM   #931
 Adoriele
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Two quick questions:
1.) Is it possible yet to follow the Unique-Equipped rules for gems?
2.) Selecting "Delete Duplicates" on an item for which there is only one instance deletes that instance. Any way of getting it to just ignore the command?

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Old 07/29/08, 5:56 PM   #932
Dwin
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Originally Posted by dlanod View Post
Edit again: Pure Hunter model feedback this time. Dual wield vs single weapon is a bit problematic. I use [Emerald Ripper] (14.95) + [Claw of the Netherwing Flight] (19.11), which gives a total of 34.05. Does this mean that the combo is better is better than [Halberd of Desolation] at 28.75? There's no real way of checking this at the moment.
Can you open up a discussion on the Rawr discussion board about this and either a) post your character xml file or b) link your armory so I can pull in your info to play with the character a little? That should allow me to better answer your question .

Edit: I think I understand what you're saying after reading your post again, are you saying that the UI does not make it easy to compare using 2 handers vs. dual wielding?

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Old 07/29/08, 7:47 PM   #933
dlanod
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Barthilas
Originally Posted by Dwin View Post
Can you open up a discussion on the Rawr discussion board about this and either a) post your character xml file or b) link your armory so I can pull in your info to play with the character a little? That should allow me to better answer your question .

Edit: I think I understand what you're saying after reading your post again, are you saying that the UI does not make it easy to compare using 2 handers vs. dual wielding?
Your edit is pretty much spot on. I can do the manual addition and compare and I assume that's how it works which is fine. However the problem is that since the 2Hers are mixed in with the MH weapons I've been needing to compare 1Hed weapons using purely the shown value but the shown value minus my OH's value for 2Hers. Sometimes no obvious distinguishing between 1Hers and 2Hers as well, since it's pretty much name only. Hypothetically, showing MH weapons value as "(MH value + currently equipped OH value = Total Value)" in that form would make it pretty obvious for easy comparisons, but that would obviously depend on how Rawr handles this type of thing.

Let me know if you still need me to post a link, but I'm pretty sure it'd be the same experience for anyone who DWs.

Edit: The other problem I had was, as per the comparison on my post, the MH + OH calculation vs the 2Her comes out with the DWing ahead? I think I must be doing something wrong there, because the DW combo has 17 less agil, 34 less AP, 15 less hit rating and 39 less stamina.

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Old 07/29/08, 8:33 PM   #934
Dwin
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Orc Hunter
 
Eredar
Originally Posted by dlanod View Post
Your edit is pretty much spot on. I can do the manual addition and compare and I assume that's how it works which is fine. However the problem is that since the 2Hers are mixed in with the MH weapons I've been needing to compare 1Hed weapons using purely the shown value but the shown value minus my OH's value for 2Hers. Sometimes no obvious distinguishing between 1Hers and 2Hers as well, since it's pretty much name only. Hypothetically, showing MH weapons value as "(MH value + currently equipped OH value = Total Value)" in that form would make it pretty obvious for easy comparisons, but that would obviously depend on how Rawr handles this type of thing.

Let me know if you still need me to post a link, but I'm pretty sure it'd be the same experience for anyone who DWs.

Edit: The other problem I had was, as per the comparison on my post, the MH + OH calculation vs the 2Her comes out with the DWing ahead? I think I must be doing something wrong there, because the DW combo has 17 less agil, 34 less AP, 15 less hit rating and 39 less stamina.
Yea, it will be the same for any DW. One of the issues in comparing DW vs TH is that, Rawr takes items off, gets the base value, then puts the item on (for each item in that slot) and gives a relative number for each item. If you have a two hand on for example, it will take it off, and put a one hander on, but that leaves nothing in the off hand so the value of the one hand is very diminished. In your case, its taking the DW and just replacing with the two hander at one point, which should ignore the OH in the calculation.

I'll play with it a little tomorrow and give you a more accurate portrayal of what the numbers are throwing out and how to really compare the DW vs two hander, I'll post a reply to both this board and the Rawr board because I think a bunch of people will have the same question.

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Old 07/29/08, 8:50 PM   #935
Astrylian
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Actually, comparing 1H vs 2H is already implemented, at least for 1H+Held-in-Offhand vs 2H. Might be screwed up for 2x1H. I'll take a look.

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Old 07/29/08, 9:44 PM   #936
dlanod
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Originally Posted by Dwin View Post
In your case, its taking the DW and just replacing with the two hander at one point, which should ignore the OH in the calculation.
Ok, it all seems to make sense now.

To compare 2Hers to DWing:
1) Select an appropriate OH.
2) Any comparisons between MH and a 2Her will automatically take into account using or not using that OH as appropriate.

OHs compare directly to themselves, no problem there.

I think you guys have got it all sorted code-wise. I couldn't see any ranking anomalies once I checked out the results with the above in mind.

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Old 07/30/08, 8:38 AM   #937
Thylos
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Tauren Druid
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
hey...Thanks for adding ToL support in Rawr...now im happy

Just noticed a few things in B15..

I cant import my toon into it....cant retrive it

Step Name: Get Character
Description: No character returned from the Armory
and there are missing a few items I have seen

Life-step Belt, Girdle of Zaetar just to name a few...so when I added the items manual...most of them and then wanted to add the enchant it erased all the items for me....

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Old 07/30/08, 11:43 AM   #938
halmmar
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
<Zen>
Xavius (EU)
Originally Posted by Thylos View Post
I cant import my toon into it....cant retrive it... :S
That's because the armory was down earlier. Seems to work just fine importing the character now.
As for items, yes a lot of them are missing (or worse - gemmed with agi).

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Old 07/30/08, 1:14 PM   #939
Stein
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Worgen Rogue
 
Doomhammer
Is there an easy way that i can't figure out to compare items with +hit to those that don't have it?

For example, arcane mage's arcane hit cap is 75. If i have 4 items all with +25 hit, none of them receive any credit for bringing me to the hit cap. All of the items appear to suck. However, take off two of the items and the other two look awesome.

some kind of +hit optimizer would be sweet (and maybe this is built into the optimizer, i can't tell). Something that would recommend which of the four items to remove based on other available gear with less +hit.

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Old 07/30/08, 1:25 PM   #940
Deninkle
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Burning Blade (EU)
The spell hit optimisation is already built into Rawr. It'll probably try to hit cap you even if use the optimise function becuse being hit capped is optimal.

When in the optimiser page, click on the drop down menu, select spell hit and then click on the "Add" button below the "Additional Requirements" title. Set the value to what you want (164 Fire/126 Frost/76 Arcane).

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Old 07/30/08, 2:04 PM   #941
Astrylian
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No need to set additional requirements of capping hit; the Optimizer will already optimize for DPS, which will include capping (or getting within a hit rating or two of cap) hit rating, for Mages. Or for any class where hit rating is the highest value stat until capped (pretty much every DPS class except cats, I think? Maybe not Arms warriors either?)

so when I added the items manual...most of them and then wanted to add the enchant it erased all the items for me.... :S
Can you explain what you mean by this? What enchant was missing?

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Old 07/30/08, 3:51 PM   #942
kalbear
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Balnazzar
On a side note, I think the problems I was having with the bear model were my user error. It looks like I was very, very close to where stam and agility start being equivalent, so small changes would have larger effects. It was a bit counterintuitive, but it seems to be consistently behaving in that way and isn't a big deal.

I still have the problem where loading a feral druid in the holy priest model causes an exception.

On the holy priest side - I'm curious why mp5 seems to be so highly valued relative to spirit. I'm not sure that it's wrong, but it's surprising given the theorycrafting that goes on that values spirit so heavily relative to mp5 (at a rate of 2 spirit to 1 mp5, the 11 heal/5spirit gems usually beat the hell out of the 11 heal/2mp5 gems that the optimizer recommends). Especially with large amounts of spirit already in place.

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Old 07/30/08, 4:27 PM   #943
Thylos
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Tauren Druid
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
Originally Posted by Astrylian View Post
No need to set additional requirements of capping hit; the Optimizer will already optimize for DPS, which will include capping (or getting within a hit rating or two of cap) hit rating, for Mages. Or for any class where hit rating is the highest value stat until capped (pretty much every DPS class except cats, I think? Maybe not Arms warriors either?)


Can you explain what you mean by this? What enchant was missing?
well when i have added the items in the main section...and then go to the Enchant tab for select the enchants for each item that can be enchanted, all my items gets cleared

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Old 07/30/08, 4:42 PM   #944
Astrylian
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Stormrage
So you add the items to Rawr, using Tools>Edit Items>Add. Then you select the items using the popup item selectors on the main screen. Then you goto the Enchants tab, and it unequips those items? I'm not able to repro this or anything like it. Can you give me step by step instructions on how to do this, including every click you make, what item IDs you type in, everything?

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Old 07/30/08, 4:43 PM   #945
Thylos
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Tauren Druid
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
not add items like that... I meant adding it to the paperdoll...Items that already are in the program.

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