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Old 08/19/08, 10:03 PM   #1051
zomback
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
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hey Astrylian, thanks for this awsome program

got a little question aswell, am I being blind or is Battlemaster's Alacrity missing from trinket slots

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Old 08/19/08, 11:09 PM   #1052
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You can add any item you want, in just a couple clicks, no data entry necessary, see the readme for details.

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Old 08/20/08, 5:30 AM   #1053
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some of the gemming for hunters is coming up odd, as in part it suggest strength gems instead of agi gems and also spell damage gems.

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Old 08/20/08, 11:08 AM   #1054
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Originally Posted by Tierlac View Post
some of the gemming for hunters is coming up odd, as in part it suggest strength gems instead of agi gems and also spell damage gems.
See the readme. You can edit the gems in any item you want, just right-click, edit. Most likely hunterish gear with str gems were added with retadins in mind, but there's no reason you can try them out with agi gems or whatever you want.

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Old 08/21/08, 10:27 AM   #1055
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First, I just want to thank everyone who's contributed to the Rawr project. From what I've seen so far it is an excellent gear evaluation tool.

One bug I noticed in the hunter module (not sure if it's present in the others as well, haven't had a chance to check) is that for the trinket comparison, it doesn't scale the graph properly.
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Old 08/21/08, 11:10 AM   #1056
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Interesting, thanks for the report. Dwin, wanna take a look at that? Typically that happens when one of the items in the chart has a negative or null rating. Sarutobi, can you post the character file that that happens with (or will it reliably happen with even a blank character)?

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Old 08/21/08, 4:17 PM   #1057
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Apparently I'm blind and don't see an option to add an attachment to a PM so I guess it'll have to go here.

I don't see any trinkets with negative values anywhere in the graph, however, there are ~4 that show up on the bottom with no DPS value (All caster trinkets except for DST (no idea how that is showing up with a value of 0, probably another bug that we should be looking into.))
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Old 08/21/08, 4:23 PM   #1058
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That works, thanks.

For almost every issue that anyone has with Rawr, we're gunna want to see the character that it occurs on, and any way of getting it to us is fine; posting it here, posting it as an issue on our Rawr - Home site, e-mailing it to me, IMing me, etc.

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Old 08/21/08, 6:06 PM   #1059
Dorvan
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I played around with the Tankadin model for the first time today, and while it's a good start, there's still a lot to be done. Here are my initial impressions:

-- Balance between mitigation, survival, and threat components in significantly unbalanced to the point where the "overall" ranking is not meaningful. That affects all slots, but is particularly notable in the neck, ring, and back slots, where you have to scroll way down to find tanking options as the top choices are spell damage pieces. Ideally people should be able to alter the relative weights of threat, mitigation, and survival, but certainly the default weighting of threat needs to be turned way down.

-- Hit, Expertise, and Spell Hit currently have no effect of threat in the model....these stats do play a role in Tankadin threat, especially Expertise at late-game gear levels.

-- The mitigation/survival terminology is not something I'm used to seeing. Typically in the Tankadin community the division is expressed in terms of mitigation (effective health related, e.g. stam, armor, block value) and avoidance (miss/dodge/parry). If you want to use the existing terms to be consistent with other modules, the tooltips should explain at least roughly what the terms mean.

-- TPS calculations look to be on the low side, though I haven't dug into this in detail yet. At a minimum, it's not taking into account the threat gains you"ll get from the mana returns on Spiritual attunement.

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Old 08/21/08, 6:11 PM   #1060
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Aye, the Tankadin model's TPS calculations are incomplete, and we hope to have them complete in b16. I've passed your feedback on to our Tankadin dev. Also, check out the Options tab, I believe there are sliders there for setting the weights of the different ratings. Thanks for the great feedback.

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Old 08/21/08, 7:43 PM   #1061
Dorvan
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Ah yes, I found the sliders. Those sliders and the armor slider should be changed to just text boxes though I think because there are too many values to select one precisely, and this is especially needed when it comes to armor. Also, the Threat slider scales from 1 to 1000, but the default setting of 100 is already way too high, so that variable should be rescaled.

Another general suggestion as far as usage:

I generally dislike the redundancy of several different gemmings of the same item as I personally feel it makes it harder to see the range of options available, therefore I generally use the "fill all sockets" option with reasonable gems and remove duplicates....then I just have to tweak an occasional item or to based on the quality of the socket bonus. The problem with this approach is that it this gem application isn't specific to a character, so when I apply this gemming to my mage all the Tankadin items get misgemmed and vice versa. It'd be nice if my gem preferences where saved specific to the character, so that for example I had the following gems preferences used for comparison when my mage was open:

red -- veiled noble topaz
yellow -- veiled noble topaz
blue -- glowing nightseye
meta -- chaotic skyfire diamond

but when I switched to my Tankadin the following gem preferences would be used:

red -- solid empyrean sapphire
yellow -- solid empyrean sapphire
blue -- solid empyrean sapphire
meta -- powerful earthstorm diamond


Related to this, it'd be nice to have a "remove all duplicates" function, instead of having to go through it item by item.

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Old 08/21/08, 7:58 PM   #1062
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I'll pass on the suggestions about the sliders. Yeah, we're significantly improving how you create and manage different gemmings, but that won't be in b16, that'll wait til Rawr 2.0.

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Old 08/22/08, 8:18 AM   #1063
Carlos
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Feature Request

I don't know if this has been requested, but is there a place were Stat Values of the current set are shown. Inculding values of set bonus like 2T4 on Feral set. Would it be possible to show the value with the buffs given, because Stat values are moving a bit over the progression in gear I thought. At least the ones for 2T4.

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Old 08/22/08, 9:11 AM   #1064
halmmar
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Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
I don't know if this has been requested, but is there a place were Stat Values of the current set are shown. Inculding values of set bonus like 2T4 on Feral set. Would it be possible to show the value with the buffs given, because Stat values are moving a bit over the progression in gear I thought. At least the ones for 2T4.
Check under All buffs and see "Malorne Harness 2 Piece Bonus", giving its value using your current gear

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Old 08/22/08, 10:10 AM   #1065
Carlos
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Ok, missed that in the buffs.

Still I like the transfer Toskk is running in his calc in the middle coloumn of comparing a single stat point to AP.

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