Rawr (v2.3.23 released on 9/12) - Page 81

Caryna · 10/23/08, 10:26 AM

The Tankadin module seems to be missing stamina from a talent. Either Combat Expertise or Sacred Duty are missing, but it's hard to tell just by looking at the numbers, since both add 6% stamina.

Example: load Heartfang, Turalyon, EU into Rawr and at the moment it will tell you Health 11817.

Check armory: The World of Warcraft Armory and you'll see the correct value of 12617 (same as in-game display).

Edit: it also doesn't recognize my Potency (+str) enchant on the sword for some reason.

Endoscient · 10/23/08, 11:43 AM

So it is not the talents, they are working correctly. At least part of the difference is coming from your mining passive ability. But there is something else wrong, I'll look into it more.

Okay, looking at armory for some reason it shows your base stamina (the white stamina without gear) as 216, which is much higher then ~120 it should be. With talents it is 80 higher, which is exactly how much health you are off. I am not sure what is increasing it like that, maybe some buff that armory isn't showing?

Hythloday · 10/24/08, 5:27 AM

Yep, rawr doesn't have potency in it. Add this to the EnchantCache.xml:

  <Enchant>
    <Id>2668</Id>
    <Name>Potency</Name>
    <Slot>OneHand</Slot>
    <Stats>
      <Strength>20</Strength>
    </Stats>
  </Enchant>

Caryna · 10/24/08, 6:24 AM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

Okay, looking at armory for some reason it shows your base stamina (the white stamina without gear) as 216, which is much higher then ~120 it should be. With talents it is 80 higher, which is exactly how much health you are off. I am not sure what is increasing it like that, maybe some buff that armory isn't showing?

No, no buffs or anything. And there is definitely something fishy going on. Since my last post I have gemmed my legs, adding a total of 20 stamina. The armory, as well as in-game display, reflects this change as an extra 12847-12617 = 230 health, while Rawr only sees a 12037-11817 = 220 health increase. Rawr lost 10 health somewhere.

The armor value displayed in Rawr is also different from the armory/in-game. Maybe a feature of being female dwarf

Starfox · 10/24/08, 8:11 AM

Chart: Custom > Item Budget

Why does this have such a weird way of showing whats best and not just stat weightings? Would be more of a help

e.g. Retadin
Str: 7.41
AP: 6.17
What shoud those values tell me?
I know that 1str = 2.3AP (2.5 with kings), but 7.41 : 6.17?

Valerys · 10/24/08, 8:23 AM

I believe those numbers are dps addition, so 1 more point of strength would give you 7.41 more dps with your current gear and talents.

Astrylian · 10/24/08, 11:42 AM

Right, except it's in terms of item budgeting. In terms of item budgeting, 2ap = 1str. ie, you can have an item with 10str, or one with 20ap. That chart basically tells you the value of each stat 'in general', adjusting for the fact that some stats cost more or less itemization points to put on an item.

Alinth · 10/25/08, 2:55 AM

Issue sorted

Endoscient · 10/26/08, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by Caryna

No, no buffs or anything. And there is definitely something fishy going on. Since my last post I have gemmed my legs, adding a total of 20 stamina. The armory, as well as in-game display, reflects this change as an extra 12847-12617 = 230 health, while Rawr only sees a 12037-11817 = 220 health increase. Rawr lost 10 health somewhere.

The armor value displayed in Rawr is also different from the armory/in-game. Maybe a feature of being female dwarf

So I just loaded you into armory again to look more into. Now the results are really close. I am going to chalk it up to Armory being weird with the new patch, with you having 80 more base stamina then than you do now. It is only off by 130, and I didn't change any code since I last check and it was wildly off.

100 of that is because the mining passive ability is not implemented yet. The other 30 is because of stamina being off by 3, I'll try to find the problem of that.

edit
I think I found why Rawr is now short by 3 stam, the base stamina on Armory is now showing up as 138. I have the dwarves base stam is 120, with Combat Expertise (6%) and Sacred Duty (6%), that pushes it up to 135. But it seems like it is actually 123, from looking at Armories of Dwarf Pallies without any stam talents. I'll go back and make sure all of my base stats are correct.

Besides that everything is almost spot on, within just rounding errors. I'll try to mimic the way Blizzard rounds, but not sure how much success I will have with that.

Starfox · 10/26/08, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Right, except it's in terms of item budgeting. In terms of item budgeting, 2ap = 1str. ie, you can have an item with 10str, or one with 20ap. That chart basically tells you the value of each stat 'in general', adjusting for the fact that some stats cost more or less itemization points to put on an item.

So it would help me build the perfect item, but it does not help me judging on an item in any way

Astrylian · 10/26/08, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by Starfox

So it would help me build the perfect item, but it does not help me judging on an item in any way

It shouldn't. The other charts are for judging the value of items (such as Gear > Chest).

SeanDamnit · 10/27/08, 2:35 PM

I'm using the Tankadin model to plan out my pre-raid gear at 80. My tankadin will probably be level 70 all of a week before wrath, so I'm not concerned with BC items, enchants, etc. I cleared out those items and loaded in all tanking related items and enchants I could find.

The problem I'm having is that the enchants that I manually typed in don't work. They appear in the selction box, show the right stats, but Rawr won't actually select them. I made sure all my tags were closed and put in properly, so it can't be that. Any advice?

--EDIT-- I just realized that I have the ID field wrong when entering these in manually. I thought it was the item ID up in the wowhead URLs. I guess it's the ID seen under the "Effect" section of the formula - ( for example, 1951 on this page Enchant Cloak - Titanweave - Spell - World of Warcraft). It works when I put the correct ID in.

Carlos · 10/27/08, 3:42 PM

Is there anything for current Feral DPS that could be used as of 3.0.2?

Astrylian · 10/27/08, 3:47 PM

Toskk's javascript calculator is currently the best I know of. We still plan to have Rawr.Cat ready for level 80 in Rawr 2.1, which will be released prior to WotLK.

Munorion · 10/28/08, 4:46 AM

There seems to be a bug in the moonkin model; the Thunderheart belt doesn't count towards t6 set bonuses - it doesn't activate the two piece or the four piece bonus.

Edit:
Actually, it seems that I plugged in the resto belt instead of the balance belt, which explains that it doesn't activate the set bonus - so nevermind this post.