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Old 03/04/08, 11:28 AM   #1
 kenlyric
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Leveling talent specs

It doesn't matter a great deal compared to when you are raiding or PVP. Still, the right talents can grease your movement between levels.

A more generic summary of the purpose of this thread would be "what talents should I seek and which talents should I avoid while leveling." For me, this means I put things in the following priority:

1. Downtime reduction. (Movement speed, efficiency talents)
2. Increased Damage talents
3. Survivability and Utility talents.

So, which are the talents you consider *must have* while you're leveling. Which are the duds. Which look good on paper but don't pan out in practice? What are the major respecing points for that class/build.

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Old 03/04/08, 11:41 AM   #2
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First and foremost, I'd say the number one way to increase your leveling speed assuming you're soloing and not getting power-leveled in any way is to increase your movement speed. In that light, I can make a few suggestions with various assumptions built in (assume you can afford respec costs a couple of times while leveling, etc):

Druid: Getting the Tier 3 feral talent to increase your cat movement speed. You can max this out like 9 levels before you get travel form. Avoid the Shredding Attacks talent, you won't be shredding much as a soloer. You'll want to get Mangle as soon as possible, followed by Omen of Clarity as soon as possible. The remaining (9?) points however you feel is best.

Hunter: Similarly to Druid, Tier 3 BM talent to increase your pack speed. Not huge, but can save you time. On a similar note, I've found a pet with Screech to be the end all, be all of leveling/grinding. It helps for mutliple targets and is great aggro generation/focus dump. Also, there's no reason not to put more than 41 points in BM. By the time you'll actually want 20 points in MM, you'll be respeccing for PVP or raiding anyways. I'd definitely go with Spirit Bond 2/2 and Frenzy 5/5. Some of the rest is up for grabs, depends on what you like and don't like.

Priest: Until you get Shadowform, you'll be using your wand...a lot. Believe it or not, Wand Spec is powerful and important. At the early level (10-15) it doesn't matter too much which you go for first, Wand Spec or Spirit Tap, but once you hit 40, you'll want to respec Shadowform and then your next 5 levels, I'd go back and grab Wand Spec again.

Mage: It's been a while since I leveled my mage, but even 3 years ago, AOE grinding was very effective (back in my day, we had to spec insta Arcane Explosion). It's my opinion that frost is the superior leveling build, especially toward the higher levels (when you can get all the nice talents for shatter, etc). A few things support this: frost tends to be more efficient, frost crits are instant and are less likely to go "unused", and your survivability will be quite a bit higher.

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Old 03/04/08, 11:46 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Auran View Post
First and foremost, I'd say the number one way to increase your leveling speed assuming you're soloing and not getting power-leveled in any way is to increase your movement speed. In that light, I can make a few suggestions with various assumptions built in (assume you can afford respec costs a couple of times while leveling, etc):

Druid: Getting the Tier 3 feral talent to increase your cat movement speed. You can max this out like 9 levels before you get travel form. Avoid the Shredding Attacks talent, you won't be shredding much as a soloer.

Hunter: Similarly to Druid, Tier 3 BM talent to increase your pack speed. Not huge, but can save you time. On a similar note, I've found a pet with Screech to be the end all, be all of leveling/grinding. It helps for mutliple targets and is great aggro generation/focus dump.

Priest: Until you get Shadowform, you'll be using your wand...a lot. Believe it or not, Wand Spec is powerful and important. At the early level (10-15) it doesn't matter too much which you go for first, Wand Spec or Spirit Tap, but once you hit 40, you'll want to respec Shadowform and then your next 5 levels, I'd go back and grab Wand Spec again.
I dumped wand spec somewhat earlier than that and didn't ever take it back, but it is sadly relevant early on as you say =/

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Old 03/04/08, 11:49 AM   #4
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I don't understand what in the hell you were trying to achieve with that Enhancement Shaman build.

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Old 03/04/08, 11:51 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by kenlyric View Post
paladin - 5/41/15
I am currently leveling a Paladin alt, and I am curious why you have included a protection build over a retribution one. I am fairly clueless as to which spec is the best for paladin leveling, but I'm curious why protection is better.

My argument for retribution would be better single target DPS, plus that movement speed talent for reasons you described in your original post.

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Old 03/04/08, 11:59 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Theldon View Post
I am currently leveling a Paladin alt, and I am curious why you have included a protection build over a retribution one. I am fairly clueless as to which spec is the best for paladin leveling, but I'm curious why protection is better.

My argument for retribution would be better single target DPS, plus that movement speed talent for reasons you described in your original post.
I guess he didn't make a post with all specs available, and I'd also favor ret over prot. Prot is good in some specific level ranges, much like frost blizzard AE mages, where you can grab quite a lot of mobs and AE grind(like plaguelands fields and stuff).

About the druid comment, I found that later on, it's good to come back and put 2points in shredding attacks, so you can Pounce > Mangle > Shred >Shred(if you get a clearcast), which does pretty damn good burst damage to start the fights. However many people don't bother stealthing between mobs and just run around pulling with FF and chain mangling, so whatever suits your tastes I guess.

Overall I'm not convinced of the point of this thread though, and it could very well fit into the Twinking Tricks and Alts thread since it's rather relevant. It's also not hard to find leveling specs when you go to your class forums, or wowwiki.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:01 PM   #7
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For warriors, you should seriously consider going Arms in the early levels and furthermore using a spec that is, on the surface, stupid. >link< +50% crit chance on overpower is huge when your base crit chance is 5%. At level 40, respec to fury and enjoy bloodthirst. Take improved execute, not weapon mastery.

I am currently leveling a Paladin alt, and I am curious why you have included a protection build over a retribution one. I am fairly clueless as to which spec is the best for paladin leveling, but I'm curious why protection is better.
Supposedly, paladins can progress at a pretty quick clip by AOE grinding from some point onward. As a side benefit, you're much better at tanking instances.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:02 PM   #8
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The problem with just saying one build is the "leveling" build is that really doesn't cut it if you truly are going for best at that level range. That and each one of those a level 70, so I'm not sure if you are talking about going from 10-70, or for whenever the expansion hits. Back to the builds though, with druids you can respec a lot every couple of level bands to get some better effects. Feral swiftness is really great before you get travel form, but once you do get it, it looses a bit of its impressiveness, especially if you have intensity for mana regen and mana pot whenever you feel like you. You can just cat form a mob down -> travel form to the next one -> cat form.

Thick hide and survival of the fittest aren't very good solo leveling talents either. Those 6 points could be put to better use in Brutal Impact, Shredding Attacks, Feral Aggression, or Nature's Grasp.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:07 PM   #9
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A mage should level in deep frost. Shatter is a huge damage increase (that's controllable) and the crit talent is better for leveling. Elemental Precision is also one of the best talents for a leveling caster, letting that caster attack mobs two levels higher than them with no problems with resists. Frostbite/Frost Armor is also a useful combo, as Molten Armor/Impact isn't until TBC. If I was leveling a mage, I'd go for - Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft - with a priority on the Shatter chain. After that, it's up to the caster. Frost Channeling, Arcane Subtlety, and the other frost talents are all useful. But not critical talents for leveling.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:07 PM   #10
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Prot is a very nice build for levelling as a paladin post level 30. However, I have no idea why he put 5 points into divine strength. If you are going into holy, you must go at least 10 for it to have any effect (for the uninterruptable healing talent). Either way, if you are levelling as prot, your healing comes almost solely from SoL or JoL, not via your healing spells.

Ok, I actually just looked at the rest of the paladin spec....say what? Is this a joke?

The major flaw in this thread is that the ideal specs for levelling are not ones with 61 talent points.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:14 PM   #11
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Are you discussing the grind from 70-80? I get this impression since nearly every spec uses 61 talent points.
If I'm mistaken, elaborating more on respeccing while leveling should be added.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:15 PM   #12
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I have done a lot of leveling recently since work causes me to log in 30 minutes after my guild's raids start. I'm sitting at 7/9 classes between 60-70, so here's some of my thoughts:


Mage: Frost is really the best choice as Fire specs will make you drink as much as 50-100% more often, a huge time sink leveling your character.

Paladin: The change to quest XP makes Ret a better choice again. While Prot Paladins aren't horrible to level with, they are only really ideal for quests where you have to kill multiple mobs in the same area. Many, many quests involve having to go somewhere and kill 1 mob or loot 1 item. Unless you can find situations where you can get 2-3 mobs beating on you, Ret comes out being quicker.

Priest: I think Wand Spec is better than Unbreakable Will while leveling. The ideal leveling sequence is PW:S, Mindblast, SW:P, MF (1 or 2x, depending on enemy level), Wand until dead.

Warlock: Similarly, I believe that Affliction is better than Demonology, especially after level 40 when Dark Pact becomes available. The Felguard is fun and all, but he didn't speed leveling and only increased my downtime.


When it comes to leveling talents in general, anything that minimizes downtime for eating and drinking is usually good, so long as it doesn't minimize it so much that it takes you notably longer to kill your targets.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:17 PM   #13
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For Rogues, Lethality is really not that impressive of a talent when leveling. With a crit rate in the range of 10-15%, you just don't crit very often. An extra 15% damage isn't that big. Yes, 15%.. you go from a 200% multiplier on crits to a 230% multiplier.

As mentioned, movement speed is important, finding a build which can get Fleet Footed would be pretty nice.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:22 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Questioner View Post
Prot is a very nice build for levelling as a paladin post level 30. However, I have no idea why he put 5 points into divine strength. If you are going into holy, you must go at least 10 for it to have any effect (for the uninterruptable healing talent). Either way, if you are levelling as prot, your healing comes almost solely from SoL or JoL, not via your healing spells.
I'd submit that with the 2.3 Quest XP buff, Retribution is the more viable leveling spec. There is simply more XP gained by finishing quests rather than grinding now, and that lends itself to single target DPS. Sure, there are kill XX type of mobs quests that can be trivial with Prot, but only if they are melee types of mobs.

Also, Persuit of Justice is a great leveling talent. 15% increased movement (and mounted) speed available as soon as level 22? It adds up a lot over time.

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Old 03/04/08, 12:23 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by kenlyric View Post
Actually
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

All anyone ever needs to know about leveling a shaman. Get the resto points first. After that, it doesnt't really matter.

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