I'm embarrassed that I even have to do this, but my guild has gotten far too retarded for me to leave it alone.

A Crown of Destruction drops tonight. Totally sweet, especially for a Hunter (the class it obviously suits the most in a raiding situation), but it wasn't going to go to any of our Hunters: three had TWO Dragonstalker's Helms, one wasn't going to bid on the Crown because he was holding out for a Dragonstalker Helm and was a nice guy, and one was ineligible to bid because he was too new.

It was discussed lightly beforehand about what classes would get priority on the Crown, and it was decided, because so many of our Hunters had Dragonstalker's Helms that the only ones that didn't would have little competition on future drops, it should be restricted to Hunters and Shamans. I mean, it's mail.

Well, it drops.

Grumble grumble mumble.

Hunter bids 10.

Shaman bids 11.

Warrior (with a Lionheart Helm, no less) bids 30.

TEAMSPEAK DRAMA EXPLOSION GNASHING TEETH

There were basically two people butting heads: a Hunter officer who thinks that Shamans should be allowed a moderate amount of priority on gear suitable for our 31 Restoration 20 Enhancement Shamans, and a Shaman-turned-Priest officer who thinks that Shamans are only good for healing and shouldn't have any priority at all on items like the Crown of Destruction (but Warriors should!).

What's more, when confronted about the "Shamans can't bid on plate" issue regarding Warriors wanting the helm, the Shaman-turned-Priest officer said that he would have no problem with Shamans bidding on shit like Manastorm Leggings.

What do you guys do for the Crown of Destruction?

ADVICE PLEASE

i dont know man, it looks really cool

yeah I know, especially on the fat tauren shaman that ended up getting it

if it's any indication of the dumb things my guild has done, for something like the first two months of doing MC, none of our warriors were allowed to spec anything but Protection, and we probably failed for a week straight on Magmadar because it was IMPERATIVE that our main tank was a TAUREN and the only thing our undead warrior was good for was using WOTF to soak up the first fear and our MT didn't even have tactical mastery and he was a nub

heh bid systems lol

Just wait for Gurgthock to come and and totally make sense of all of this JUST YOU WAIT!

06/10/05 Hau Crown of Destruction Crown of Destruction - Thottbot Ragnaros 175.00

He's a HUNTER

yeah, but none of the hunters wanted it.

WHAT THEN

Then it goes to a shaman i guess.


you answered your own question in your ramblings somewhere.

Well, we offer upgrade prices, so the hunter in question, if he already had a dragonstalkers, would only have to pay the difference in price between the two items.

We dont use a bidding system though, so it is always the same price no matter what. None of that "Hurr that item isnt designed for my class but because I am stupid enough to bid more than its worth Ill weaken the raid by taking it" shit

then theyr'e newbs and that one guy who was holding out for dragonstalker should have taken it, that way he could have no only gotten the crown but the dragonstalker's helm when that dropped too. he could have put +20 fire resist on the crown and +100 health on the draognstalkers helm. either way it was an upgrade and you should have been like WTF take it newb

The difference is that we look for the good of the guild so the new hunter would have gotten it instead of being ineligible, and then it wouldn't have gone to a stupid class. Better with a shaman than a warrior, but that's still retarded.

I agree that it's definitely a Hunter item before a Shaman or Warrior item, but I don't know if there's much we can do about our asinine but necessary policy about new recruits not getting items, or if it's right to force the helm on someone that doesn't want it (especially because, under our bidding system, there are tons of other people, Warrior and Shaman both, that would pay much more for it than someone getting it defaulted to them for a very low minimum bid).

In addition, there's been a movement by some of our Shaman to take on more of a DPS role in MC, which I don't know is good or not, but there's certainly plenty of places where you can justify them meleeing, and our guild has a history of being ignorant about class roles. One of our premier Arms Warriors risked getting kicked out of the guild when he specced out of Protection back in the day, so I wanted a respectable second opinion about it so we don't make a BIG BIG MISTAKE.

People are also making the argument that loot distribution in raids shouldn't necessarily be decided wholly on what helps the raid the most, either, but whatever. BIG DICKS

Thanks.

Your guild seems pretty retarded about loot imho.

I don't like bidding systems in general, as it ends up with varying amounts of work involved in getting the same amount of loot.

You can look at it in reverse as well. You need damage and healing every fight so the question is, "What good is class X when not dealing damage?" The answer for priests and hybrid classes is healing. Other classes have much more limited options when not dealing damage.

It depends on your guild makeup as well. You always need healing but if you're taking 8 priests 8 shaman and 4 druids on a raid you'd better find a way for a few of them to do some significant damage or you'll be stuck in there for 8 hours.

Of course if you have a bid system and none of the primary classes want it the item it is fair game. If the shaman want it so bad then they can bid in a fashion that demonstrates that desire.