Pitbuller

Why another shaman use rank VI searing totem? Thats just odd. Searing totem use shaman spell hit that has tested. But do lower rank fire totems have bigger miss chance? 28% vs 16.5%. Just over 100 firebolt is pretty small sample size but the difference is kinda high for RNG. Bigger rank searing don't jsut kill brutallus but it's just one oddity what I picked up.

Rank VI

RankVII

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

Doncabesa

My dps warriors say that speccing into imp demo isn't worth it. I've disagreed with them but they won't budge, am I right? We normally have CoR up on every fight (especially since the curse change), and we haven't had a consistent survival hunter to be able to use a pet with screech on a consistent basis.

 

Ja7us

Imp demo is absolutely worth it, for the same reason Shadow Embrace is. Brutallus' damage is enormous, and you want to do everything you can to soften it, even at somewhat minimal DPS loss. The DPS lost from speccing for and using imp. demo is far outweighed by the consistent benefit your tanks will gain during stomp.

 

Cathela

Yes, it's worth it.

Tell your warriors that you can't use CoR without Imp Demo. If they still don't budge, tell your rogues and hunters the same thing and see how long it takes for peer pressure to work its magic.

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

 

Doncabesa

Wiped all night on him (mainly to a new tank trying to learn how to count to 3) but still the tanks were taking massive damage and I just don't know how to get it through to them that we shouldn't use CoR without imp demo, it's just stupid amounts of extra damage.

 

nolena

Well tell them or you raid bruta with somebody specced imp. demoralizing shout (and no, a tank should not be doing that) or you do not raid at all. I respec especially for those days into imp. demoralizing shout.

 

Cathela

Then tell the CoR lock that he's clear to use CoA or CoD instead. If he's anything like your warriors he should be happy to put his personal damage above the good of the raid. If your can't kill Brut like that and your warriors still won't spec Imp Demo, start benching them and bringing recruits who will do what the raid needs.

But look, at this point you know what the answer to your Brutallus question is; you're just running into trouble with the interpersonal dynamics of your guild, which is really outside the scope of this thread.

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

 

Miha

Would it not be enough if one of your hunters (survival one for example) would be using a pet with 'screech'.
Screech + demo shout (or CoW but demo is better since locks might want to use a more usefull curse CoD or soemthing lilke that) should still negate all the attack power buffs on the boss.

 

khel

You either spec imp demo shout and deal with the 55 debuffable AP on the boss leftover, or you don't and make sure that a survival hunter brings an owl (personal dps loss of 80-100dps) to leave 0 debuffable AP on the boss.

DPS warriors are useful for battleshout, demoshout, and blood frenzy...sunders/tclap when a warrior isn't tanking...and that's about it. If they can't understand that they are a support dps class and spec accordingly then gkick them and recruit replacements who aren't selfish idiots.

 

Heisenberg

If you have a warrior tank, they should handle the Demoralising Shout. As threat gain does not matter while the other tank is tanking, it is easy to reapply Demoralising Shout (and Thunderclap, this will need re-applying while tanking but is reasonable threat) without any loss in threat, as the next taunt will essentially negate any offtank threat gain.

With two feral tanks, it is a different story, but with a warrior tank, they should handle the Demoralising Shout.

 

Cathela

No, they shouldn't, because any prot warrior that has both Imp. Tclap and Imp. Demo is missing threat or mitigation talents that he needs on Brut.

The only exception is a team of two warrior tanks, in which case one can spec Imp Demo and the other spec Imp Tclap.

With any other tanking team, the prot warrior should spec for Imp Tclap and take care of that, and a dps warrior should handle Imp. Demo.

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

 

Lithose

I know it was mentioned previously in the thread that taunt has gotten resists, but many have said it isn't possible. Well, in 7 kills (I think) and a slew of learning attempts we had never seen a taunt resisted, until tonight. The odd thing was, we always have terrible problems with taunt resists on kal and had none tonight...Anyway, just thought it was odd and wanted to know if anyone else has gotten taunt resists.

 

• Snowy

1% resist chance on taunts. It can happen.

 

◊ Penguin

Going from the normal "17% - [tank +hit rating]" on Kalec to the static 1% on Brut would certainly seem like it never happens. A quick AOE taunt from the tank fixes that problem with no interruption of the attempt, provided your tanks are awake.

There's not some hidden "but he tries really hard" variable built into the game. -Slake

I always love the "it doesn't fit my style of play" line. There are only two styles of play; Correct, and Incorrect. The only people that ever use this line are people with the incorrect style of play. -Sebudai

 

Denogran

And non-paladin. If you're a paladin, you can try BoPing the tank if your taunt fails, but you're likely not to be second on threat by that point. Sorta a shitty "Bummer, dude" mechanism if you ask me.

 

NinJOu

Not true, for our first kill, I (MT) was in defensive spec with 5/5 IDS and 3/3 TC. I lost some points in rage reducing skill point. The fact is you really have no problem in rage starvation in Brutallus fight because of how bad he hits his target.

You can keep IDS and still have no problem in threat (I'm only talking on Brutallus fight here).

 

Heisenberg

Exactly. Improved sunder and Focused Rage aren't particularly necessary in a Brutallus tanking build, as all you need to do when not tanking is keep the Sunder Armour stack, Demoralising Shout and Thunderclap up. When you are tanking, rage isn't much of a problem.

It does indeed. Just make sure you follow it up with a real Taunt as soon as it refreshes.

 

Ovidus

It might be possible to have a warrior spec IDS without focused rage and improved sunder especially for this fight, but what about all other fights? You can't expect the warriors to respec between every fight, while the dps warrior has to spec into it once and use 1 GCD every 30 sec. Or maybe 2-3 when it gets resisted, but this isn't an issue compared to a resisted demo shout by a tank on for example felmyst.

 

NinJOu

Yeah sure, of course, but we are on Brut topic

FYI, since we are farming the 3 first bosses, i made our DPS warriors respec IDS so i can unleash all i have on Felmyst & eveything.

 

Cathela

I was under the impression that the avoidance requirements made rage an issue at least periodically. I'm surprised that's not the case, but I'll take your word for it.

I'd still rather have a dps warrior be responsible for it, because the tank will need to spend GCDs on it while tanking, if only for a safety margin against possible resists. But on the specifics of this case, I stand corrected.

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

 

Lithose

Well, we thought so too, but where we had gone so long without ever seeing it, we began to assume it was one of those rumors. Going back through our WWS, Brutallus was debuffed, through learning and kills, with taunt around 500 times (We used to do 3 tanks.) Obviously this isn't a large enough sample size to be statistically significant, in regards to 1%, but I get the impression that its lower than 1%.

I mostly found it odd because I could have sworn entries for "taunt resists" stated "XX has resisted lithose's taunt", while this one says "fully resisted". Now, I haven't exactly looked at the combat logs since 2.3, so the wording might have changed, or I am remembering it wrong, but it was odd.

It can, but it was during one of those transitions where you can wait an extra 5 seconds to allow your other tank to take stomp and then taunt off him, so we had 3 seconds before the slash. Which, yes, should have been enough time, but by the time I got done saying "what the fuck?" it was too late.

Also, we experienced some..odd behavior on him. He was fairly consistently "quad" attacking with 2 main hand swings within the same second, doing well over 25k damage within 1 second. Now, we have been gibbed before by a non-avoidance streak during a stomp, but this seemed, faster, usually we lose a tank when the healers sync up by accident and overheal, this wasn't the case, the tank litterally went from full to dead in sub 1 second.

I know it can happen, but it happened to use 4 times last night. We were using 2 warriors (Druid was away), both had inspiration during the gib (We monitor it.) and at least 45% avoidance after sunwell radiance. Again, I know its possible but it seemed to be happening a lot last night, much more so than usual.

Again, this is all "grain of salt" type stuff, as its just one night, just wondering if anyone else had issues.

 

◊ Penguin

A single MH hit from Brut will fill up a tank's rage bar, and you get MH+OH every second. You would have to see a massive avoidance streak to get to a situation where rage is an issue. It's something that I've never seen while tanking him.

There's not some hidden "but he tries really hard" variable built into the game. -Slake

I always love the "it doesn't fit my style of play" line. There are only two styles of play; Correct, and Incorrect. The only people that ever use this line are people with the incorrect style of play. -Sebudai

 

archkiller

We have brut at 18% when enrage on our third day attempt on him:Wow Web Stats
Comments are welcome.

Our mages/warlocks complain about aggro sometimes and said that there are times where at the start of the fight they get chain critical shadowbolt/fireball and have to use soulshatter/invisiblity early in the fight like just 1min into the fight. Is there anyway to overcome this?

 

Gofa

Make sure to use all of your MDs for your first tank. It's also a good idea to get an enh. shamy into the tank group to help with threat and tell your tanks to do more tps. They should really focus on maximizing their threat.

We had the same problem and it's really important to talk to your tanks so that they know that they have to improve themselves. It's not that much you can do about it - it's up to your tanks to do more aggro.