◊ Bekah

Honestly if that's the kind of guild you are looking for- don't bother trying to build it. Creating one out of thin air is about as likely as a lightning strike in your backyard. Could it happen? Sure- but you're going to spend a lot of cold wet nights in the rain waiting for it.

You're looking for a top end guild and you're going to have to work hard to get into one without a vouch or excellent gear (or a resto shaman, but such is the way of things these days). Do some research on euro guilds available (I'd have suggestions if you were US, sadly I don't keep track of the euros) and find those people where they already are rather than sifting through dozens of people who think they're what you want- but really aren't. Compose a great application, know your own class and be ready to prove it by playing the strong specs with proper gearing gemming and enchants. Apping as moonkin or pure cat dps are probably not going to get you far- their contribution to a raid may be sufficient but you're already asking them to look at a relative unknown- don't go too far outside the mainstream or you'll be too large of a gamble.

(PS: I can't find you on the armory, double check your info.)

 

Trouble

Having been a large part of building one of those guilds, a guild filled with exceptional players many of whom stay for hours after raids just discussing strats and min/maxing, I can say there's only a few things you need to make it happen. First and foremost: time. It's taken multiple years to get to this point. You can't start out at the top, you have to build your way there by continually refining your recruitment and upping your requirements and doing the best with what's available to you. It's kind of like a self-feeding machine. You set your standards, patiently recruit who you can that meet those standards, do better at raiding, up your standards, recruit more, repeat, repeat, repeat. It requires talented leadership, a clear guild vision, time, patience, and some luck.

 

Grotholl

Reading this thread and some of the stories being told, it looks possible for a player to reach Sunwell before the expansion. On paper atleast.What about for instance a moderately skilled, commited player, who has pretty much been stuck at the 'bottom rung', blue geared with some karazhan/welfare epics but in a server in which most guilds are only accepting players equipped in T4-T5 gear-I dont think it'd be as simple as '4-5 weeks of heroics/arena/10-mans' or the rerolling alternative-at least in practice.

 

Osse

I think it is as simple as 4-5 weeks of heroics/arena/10-mans. Well, maybe not 4-5, more like 6-7.

Rerolled from 4/6 Sunwell guild and my char has been 70 since 20th of May.

Currently armory looks like this.

Getting S4 chest this wednesday after which I will only need S3 or S4 helm to complete my "non 25-man set" with full epic gems, 375 leatherworking and 375 enchanting without buying any gold. Actually I havent even had to farm stuff daily to get money for all professions etc. Heroics alone give so much money. I had herbalism for two weeks after I hit 70 and farmed herbs but thats about it.

I could easily step into Sunwell with this gear and put out decent dps numbers on Brutallus. 4 set t6 would boost my dps by 200 ish. With that bonus the difference between fully Sunwell geared character and this wouldnt even be that big. With same group buffs and performance / RNG they would be within 200 dps at Brutallus if not less.

 

puresin

I rerolled a priest at my friend's behest in the beginning of June after giving up age of flopnan. It took me about 2 weeks to hit 70 and I was even a little behind the rest of the guild who also rerolled (i started later). It took me only 2-3 days of doing heroics and idling in AV to get enough gear to be considered more valuable than a trade channel pug for raids.

The entire guild started their first kara just over a month ago. 5 weeks later of raiding our guild has killed kalecgos and has brutallus at 9% (bad raid comp - hopefully we'll get him tonight before reset).

Here's my armory : The World of Warcraft Armory

The main factor in getting into sunwell raiding guild as someone vastly undergeared would be convincing said guild that you have potential and are worth gearing up. Having connections/ being able to write an essay application is a good way of going about this.

edit: err, username still has <Aurora> tag >_>;;

 

Mem

Its definitely still possible. I stopped raiding about the 15th of may due to several reasons. After a short stint with AoC (which disappointed me) and too much free time I decided to start anew. My shaman has now already healed and dpsed in sunwell due to the severe shortage of shamans on alliance side. While I'm certainly undergeared I'm trying to pull my own weight as good as possible.

If you do have connections and those folks are willing to gear you up, then rerolling is possible almost any time. But obviously you put up a very convincing case for yourself. In the end its pretty easy to gear one or two members up, at least up to 80-90 % of the core raider team. And if you perform at a high level critics will be silenced pretty quickly because talent is still the rarest commodity on the market.

If this isn't possible its still pretty easy to reach T5 plus level gear via badges and 10 mans which will make you attractive to those guilds working on hyal/bt bosses. I think I 've farmed about 400 - 500 badges already which is enough for one spec. If you decide to gear for two specs this obviously doubles. Crafting is also a very good alternative for getting some good stuff - as is arena which I haven't touched yet.

 

Almehym

What would one do without connections, though? Rerolling seems to only be a good option if you're doing so with a full guild, or if you have those connections with a high end guild.

Additionally, what is to be done when you're being proverbially 'punished' for your choice of class/server 2+ years ago? I've put a lot of time into my character, and even though I wouldn't mind healing or tanking, and know that once I learn the specifics I'd be as good at that as at DPS, I am kind of attached to this guy. I enjoy the class itself, I know how to play it to a high level in both a PvE and PvP situation, yet I feel as if I'm being punished for rolling a relatively unwanted class (beyond mayyybe two per raid nowadays).

I don't mean to say this as a class rant per se, I just wonder what would be the value to me of bothering with a reroll when I'm otherwise very happy with my class, gear, and playstyle, sans being desired by the highest end raiding guilds, and being stuck on a server-type that locks me out of half the available servers.

 

◊ Bekah

Weigh your happiness versus your potential happiness. If you're content enough with your situation to muddle though- then just stay put. After all the next expansion will be a virtual reset and maybe someday they'll do PvE->PvP.

If you're not happy with your current situation- maybe the grass really is greener on the other side.

I picked a server back in 02/05 that sucked for me. I picked a new server in 05/05 that was better. My interests outgrew my old server though- what I really wanted simply wasn't going to happen there because the server couldn't support it. So I made the leap 08/07 and rerolled on a new server. I rolled the same two classes (Mage/Priest) I always played on my old server because- like you- I really enjoy them. It was the right decision for me and I really am much happier on my new server in my new guild than I was before. I've got opportunities and options I didn't have before and it made me enjoy the game more.

It kinda sucks that I have 2 70's left rotting on my old serer. Perfectly good ones too. Hundreds of days between them and all my baby alts... but in the last 11 months or so I've rebuilt. I've got more gold than I ever did- better gear. New toys to play with (although I miss some things that I can't get on my new faction). All in all there's nothing to draw me back to my old server. If I could transfer my old characters over tomorrow (which is impossible due to faction change in addition to the server type change) and keep my same guild and server as now- I might- but they'd only be bank alts kept out of a sentimental value- I'd keep playing my new ones.

If you're unhappy, maybe being in a new place will make you happier. Maybe it won't. It does no harm to roll and alt and see if it catches on though. =)

 

Maelfisto

I have a pretty similar situation where I rolled a hunter as my first character and just got bored shortly past kara/gruuls/beginning of tier-5 content. Pew-pew just wasn't doing it. I rerolled a shammy and respecced resto at 70 and it has been fun. Gear seems to roll in like crazy--maybe its just because the pvp rewards have gotten so good or that karazhan is gushing with heal gear, but I swear in a matter of weeks the shaman is nearly as geared as the hunter.

I guess my only question is this; and it is a little bit of ignorance for not reading up on WotLK, but what is necessary for entry progression into WotLK? Will it be like TBC where you walk in and outgear your old epics in a day? Or do you need T6 to survive initially? If you don't need T6 to live then getting Kil'Jaeden down prior to release is just kind of a mountain to climb because it's there, no?

 

Gralin

Sunwell gear will apparently be equivalent to level 80 blues, and level 68/69s in quest greens should be able to handle questing in the lower areas of Northrend.

So, yeah. Although I'd argue that at least for me, the goal is to see (and beat) the content while it's still relevant, rather than do it later as a level 80 "fun run" or not at all.

 

Ranghar

I'm sure it will be like in TBC. You can enter in greens, struggle for an hour or so, grab several quest rewards and be fine afterwards. Greens which require lvl 70 (probably these quest rewards) are a bit below Karazhan epics. Sunwell stuff is more-less equal to blues from lvl 78 dungeons.

 

Illy

To get back to what the poster you quoted asked though, did you have connections?

I've been reading a lot about guilds doing successful rerolls, seen a few personal examples in this thread as well, but what's not immediately made clear is how many of those folks had connections on their new server helping them out. When I look more into the subject, it seems a good number actually did. If you really started over fresh, with nothing more than the hope of finding a better gaming experience on your new server I'm all ears.

The latter is the situation I'm stuck in now. I've spent almost four years on one server, and it just doesn't have the playerbase to do what I enjoy in this game. Looking around all the guilds out there, there aren't many. My only hope now is a long-shot: rerolling on a server where I'll know nobody in hopes of when the expansion hits I'll have a shot with the clean slate to get in with one of these guilds.

 

Shakes

I don't really think it's a long shot: lots of people reroll come the expansion, classes/specs change in raid desirability, some people just decide they want to do something else (not raid, go play warhammer, get a life, whatever). Most guilds are going to have roster holes, and if you can be level 80 shortly after the expansion releases, you've got just as much shot as anyone else to fill that gap. A gear reset is a gear reset, your 80 dungeon blues will be as good as the 80 dungeon blues of the sunwell player.

You don't even necessarily need to reroll, unless you want to go PvE to PvP. Just transfer server: either now, or after finding a guild once the expansion hits.

 

BocaTB

We rerolled in January, flew through content, and killed in Illidan with some blues still in our raid. We still however had alot of T5/ badge gear going into Sunwell, so were a bit behind, but continually did BT/Hyjal during our Sunwell raid weeks. Where are we now? Server Firsts on Muru and KJ, including a World 47/US 29 on KJ. gg?

Its doable, but it takes alot of time and people who are dedicated to forming something new for themselves, and are interested in the long run.

 

Negative

Just a little pointer for those looking to re-roll: pick a high-pop/full server. I've recently rolled on Illidan per advice given by a GM I know there, and I can't say I've ever been more excited to hit 70 and jump right in. I think sitting in the Scryer bank @ 2am I saw more t6 than probably exists on my old server. Larger, older servers are better choices for a re-roll as there's bunches of PuGs for Kara/ZA and up through the t5 stuff (and maybe some t6, I know I've seen Hyjal advertised on forums/trade). If your realm is dead and you feel like you're bored and not having fun anymore, try out one of the really big servers. You'll be shocked to find out that WoW is actually played like an MMO there instead of a single-player game.

 

Crucifiction

Be aware that on some old and very heavily populated servers, like Mal'ganis (Alliance side at least), transfers aren't looked upon too kindly. Most people just see you as another person in the 400 person queue that they're in to try and play.

 

winkiller

Al'Akir-EU also has this often on the forums that transferrers are more /shoo'ed away than welcome because of queue times.

Or you're on a server like Aggramar-EU (was available at EU release) that has already seen more people transfer away that new servers have overall population...